If The US Immigration Problem Was From Canada, Not Mexico, Would Arizona Still Be Racist?

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Well, you are talking about a border state. Having lived there, I can tell you there are a lot of people there of people there that are from Mexican decent, or who are there illegally.

It has nothing to do with race at all, in my opinion. It has to do with people being here illegally.

Sympathizers can play the race card all they want to, but, Arizona put it's foot down to the problem. They just happen to have an overwhelming majority of illegals from Mexico.

Who makes up the largest portion of illegals in Canada? Im' curious to know, because you live there.

With that question asked, do you think Canadians are racist, in any way shape or form, for wanting to see illegals gone from there?

reply to post by TortoiseKweek


I agree with you.

Except when you say that our cultures (Us and Canada) are VERY similar.

They are SOMEWHAT similar, but we as Canadians are leaps and bounds different in culture, thinking etc, than our America brethren.

~Keeper

you know that 16.16% of Mexicans are white

en.wikipedia.org...

and if you include the mestizos-which are those of mixed Amerindian and European descent -the percentage is even higher. Hell more than 1/3 of Latin America is Caucasian

en.wikipedia.org...

and here in America, 62% of Hispanics are White

en.wikipedia.org...

so i wouldn't call the legislation racist, but rather ethnocentric would be the appropriate term

reply to post by Blanca Rose


I believe the Chinese have the most illegals. Asia in general because of Vancouver and it's port system.

I don't think we are racist, not in general, although I have as of late encountered some racist folk, but you'll find that everywhere you go.

I think it's a good thing that Arizona put it's food down in regards to immigration, it's simply not the best way to go about it.

They've given too much power to police officers attempting to enforce immigration status.

~Keeper

So you are saying that if 30 Million Canadians came down to the US, ILLEGALLY we would welcome you?

I think your whole tenet is a crock. For one thing, your country would be empty then and we would just takeover your country. Speaking hypothetically of course.

Which is what these hypothetical's are. What if......scenarios suck ass.

Here is a sweet WHAT IF scenario.

What would the Canadians do if say, 30 Million Wisconsin (which we can and do outdrink you in Beer by the way) and several other states just decided to come up to Canada, make use of your "free" health care and other government services, without paying your socialist taxes, made ourselves a complete nuisance of ourselves, wave our US of A flag at our beer drinking binges, etc etc etc?

Would you open your arms?

[edit on 5/8/2010 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by Oneolddude

Deny Ignorance

Canada has its own issue with illegal Chinese immigration in British Vancouver.

Actually, I think this "issue" is being carried out legally. People can sponsor their entire families to come here under our multicultural immigration policy. Once one person get in, plenty come in after. So I guess we really do have an issue.

At the same time it isn't only the Chinese. They are just a target group now because of the numbers they're coming in now. For example, for every Italian to immigrate to Canada in the 20th century, 28 followed them! I'm sure that's a similar trend with the Chinese and South Asians today.

reply to post by endisnighe


No.

Would you call us racists?

And your beer is like Water...don't ever insult Canadian Beer. It's far better than that pee you guys drink...

~Keeper

there wouldnt be a problem with canadians because they assimilate easy into american society.. canada isnt much different than america. and thats what this whole thing is about, illegal mexican immigrants are not here to assimilate, they dont want to learn english, they are racist toward "gringos", they are here to invade the southwest us of a and basically do what we did with texas and california back in the 1840's... its obvious to everyone who isnt afraid of being called a racist because the otherside has no arguement.. and if u wanna get even more crazy... this is all a plan to establish the NAU...

reply to post by tothetenthpower


You have to try Leinenkugel's baby, some very strong flavored beer.

Here is a link to their site-

Jacob Leinenkugel's Brewing Company

When you enter the site, they pour you a frosty one, pretty cool.


edit to add-this is not a new upstart, it has been around since 1867.

also to add, I never denigrate Canadian beer, if that was all I could get, life would be great!

[edit on 5/8/2010 by endisnighe]

Actually, I think this "issue" is being carried out legally. People can sponsor their entire families to come here under our multicultural immigration policy. Once one person get in, plenty come in after. So I guess we really do have an issue.

I think You are grossly misinformed here! Do you have any idea how hard it is to get your family over?? I for instance would only be able to sponsor my parents, NOT even my brother. AND I have to prove to the Canadian Government that I have the monetary ability to do so, AND I am liable for them for at least 10 years.... Plenty other stuff

Originally posted by Portugoal
reply to post by Essan

 

Why do most of you assume that Canada is made up of white-washed Northern Europeans? That's like saying Americans are all hicks with straw sticking out of their mouths wearing overalls...

I'd don't assume anything of the sort. I think you've missed the point

The question is: would Americans react the same to an influx of white, english speaking, north European, immigrants as they do to an influx of hispanic, spanish speaking immigrants?

Suppose Mexico were a strong, stable economy and Canada a poor economy full of people desperate to move to the USA for a better life? Given most would be white north European and English speaking, would Americans regard them the same as they do those desperately trying to cross the border from Mexico today?

reply to post by TortoiseKweek


That is a fantastic way of keeping out the undesirables.

Life would be so much better here, if we had such immigration policies in place!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by TortoiseKweek

 

I agree with you.

Except when you say that our cultures (Us and Canada) are VERY similar.

They are SOMEWHAT similar, but we as Canadians are leaps and bounds different in culture, thinking etc, than our America brethren.

~Keeper

I agree, there is differences between the 2 cultures, but can you compare us 2 to US and Mexico? 1 simple example, Ice Hockey. Just an example. Then again we have poutine

I think another thing you have to consider, is one's willingness to adapt to the society and country that accepts you. It was a culture shock for me, but I have embraced Canada and it's ways. I never came here and wanted to find fellow South Africans, and try push our ways on others. Or wanted our own little areas etc.

Firstly, do it legally (which seems to be the issue at heart). Secondly, a country takes you in, You adapt. Maybe I'm going off topic, I'm just speaking of personal experience, and years of hard work to get here Legally.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Would Arizona be racist? No. We don't touch Canada so it wouldn't be our problem initially. Maybe down the line when you ILLEGAL CANADIANS filter down here, but not initially.

Would Michigan be considered racist? Yes. Would any other border state be considered racist? Yes. If the illegal problem there is comparable to what we've been going through down here, then people would eventually have enough of it and do what Arizona had to do. And the lazy bums would cry RACIST!! because that's the only "argument" they have.

Racism doesn't neccisarily have to be about the color of one's skin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but alot of Canadians are of French lineage are they not? So people in Michigan who support their new anti-illegal immigration bill would be racist against French Canadians.

Do illegal French Canadians look different than legal French Canadians? Probably not. Just like illegal mexicans don't look much different than their legal counterparts. So how do you tell them apart without being racist? It's hard to explain. Having lived in Phoenix for as long as I did [ 20 yrs.] you just know. People in Detroit can call me racist all they want. I don't care. They don't know what I know simply because they don't know the lay of the land in Phx. Just as I don't know the lay of the land in Detroit, I'd look stupid trying to judge them.

Now as far as the Sheriff's dept. and the legislature being racist? No. You sound like you actually read the bill and I commend you for that. Here's a thread I started that is an excellent example of how this bill will be implemented.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A person has to live here to fully understand how we can pick the illegals out of a crowd. That's why 70% of arizonans support the bill while the rest of the country does not. WE understand what's going on down here because we live with it. THE REST do not understand because they do not.

Mexican culture was and is a big part of Arizona. If every single Mexican, both legal and illegal, packed up and left, it would deal a devastating financial and cultural blow to our state , and we KNOW it. 70% of Arizonans do not have a problem with legal Mexicans, myself included [ why, when I was single..........] We are NOT racists against Mexicans. What we DO have a problem with however is people who knowingly BREAK THE LAW [ Hence the term "illegal" alien ].Don't you? Don't you want to raise your family around predominantly law abiding citizens? I know I do, and apparently so do 70% of Arizonans.

I would suggest to you and anyone else listening, don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

After all, isn't that what calling someone a racist is, a judgement call?



Peace

reply to post by Blanca Rose


I'm just telling the truth. I know this because I've done my research to see if I could get my folks over, and it aint going to happen. Let me tell you though, Immigration Canada has it's problems!

For e.g. You have to be able to speak English or French at a certain proficiency level - You know how many people I meet here who can hardly speak a word of English, let alone French.

No system is fool proof. Me, I prefer to do things legally

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


Like I said in another post: Quebec's citizenry is 66% ethnically Canadian. Therefore most French Canadians would be white. And besides a majority of French Canadians are white.

Illegal French-speaking immigrants in Quebec are not a majority white population by the way. Haitians are the largest French speaking group moving into Quebec.

I don't think America will have this problem. I think the basis of the thread is What if it were Canadians moving into America and not Mexicans?

reply to post by Portugoal


If it were canadians instead of mexicans, we would still have the same problems IF the canadians caused the same type and amount of problems that the mexicans are causing. Again, it's a legal issue, not a racial one. That is, of couse, unless you're against the bill.

In that case, we're racist nazi cowardly bigots





Peace