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Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by discl0sur3
i myself am not in the "belief" category...
its a matter of probability..
we exist next to a star..
there are a billion stars in our galaxy..
and a billion galaxies...
Originally posted by discl0sur3
If you're a non-believer, please present your evidence and we'll discuss it.
Originally posted by jazz10
I definately believe theres ET`s or ancient ancestors and also that the universe is teaming with life.
S&F
Just out of curiosity what are these between 8-10 seconds? I cant make out what it is?
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by discl0sur3
If you're a non-believer, please present your evidence and we'll discuss it.
That's a highly problematic statement. One cannot prove a negative.
I believe it is highly probable that there are other forms of life in the universe and that we should continue searching for it.
I know that to date, no evidence of life elsewhere has been discovered anywhere that we've looked. We also must face the possibility that we could be the first place life has emerged in the universe - some place has to be the first.
I do not believe that UFOs indicate alien life forms observing and interacting with us, or that governments are keeping alien secrets from us, or that countless hoardes of people get sucked up into spaceships to receive anal probes, or that grays and reptilians have a secret war happening, etc. Such nonsense is pseudo-religious in its nature and yet another way of anthropomorphising the universe.
[edit on 8-5-2010 by traditionaldrummer]
Originally posted by illustro
There are between 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way alone, all with the possibility of planets orbiting them. There are an estimated 500 billion galaxies in the universe. Typical galaxies range from dwarfs with as few as ten million stars, up to giants with hundred trillion stars. That is a lot of stars with the possibility of planets orbiting them. To say we are the only intelligent life in the universe is extremely narrow minded, the chances are very, very small.
Originally posted by discl0sur3
But if life arose independently on another body in our solar system, and planetary systems are the rule, not the exception, then life must be abundant in the universe. And that means that intelligent life could be abundant in the universe.
So why do many serious scientists reject the idea that aliens could be visiting the earth?
Because according to conventional wisdom, interstellar travel is simply not feasible.
That is why sceptics will always take refuge to what seems to be a perfect refutation: if aliens exists, and interstellar travel is possible, why aren't they visiting us?
In other words, UFOs cannot be extraterrestrial because interstellar travel is impossible, and interstellar travel is impossible because otherwise, there would be UFOs of extraterrestrial origin.
Originally posted by discl0sur3
The word 'unpersuasive' reveals that it is not logic and rational thinking that determines the merit of UFO sightings for Ferris, but mindset.
When one considers the sheer amount and consistency of UFO evidence, i.e. sightings from qualified observers including highly trained military pilots and radar operators, spanning over 5 decades, it seems bizarre how an educated, intelligent person could simply dismiss that accumulated mountain of evidence for UFOs as "unpersuasive" - unless said person is simply unaware of the evidence. And that is the crux of the UFO matter: the sceptical myth that there is "not a shred of evidence" (the contrary is true) is believed by many to be a fact.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by discl0sur3
The word 'unpersuasive' reveals that it is not logic and rational thinking that determines the merit of UFO sightings for Ferris, but mindset.
When one considers the sheer amount and consistency of UFO evidence, i.e. sightings from qualified observers including highly trained military pilots and radar operators, spanning over 5 decades, it seems bizarre how an educated, intelligent person could simply dismiss that accumulated mountain of evidence for UFOs as "unpersuasive" - unless said person is simply unaware of the evidence. And that is the crux of the UFO matter: the sceptical myth that there is "not a shred of evidence" (the contrary is true) is believed by many to be a fact.
Here's where we have a problem. What exactly qualifies a UFO observer? We unquestioningly believe that a police officer or pilot has more expertise in the field of viewing UFOs because they have an assumed level of higher credibility. But, they are simply as human as the rest of us and no more qualified in the field of viewing UFOs than a janitor or ditch digger. They are just as subject to illusion and delusion as anybody else and the appeal to authority gives their accounts no higher validity to accept it as evidence. A preponderance of personal accounts, even from highly respected and credible persons, does not qualify as evidence of anything. If that is untrue then we also have tons of evidence for the existence of succubi and incubi from the countless accounts of credible and respected medieval witnesses.
Originally posted by discl0sur3
Well presented.
I think it's fair to say that your points are just as easily rationalized as mine. In the end it comes down to a matter of personal belief until further evidence presents itself I suppose...thanks for your comments.