Angels are messengers of god?

No no and No, it is all made up stories.

They who tell you to pay taxes today, are the same ones killing our Ancestors thousands of years ago over some stupid Inqusition or a silly Crusade thing.. Or an Invasion of America in 1814, same Dudes making the Invasion in 2001 ... September 11 both Times ... FreeMasons..
There is no God there is No this nor that , just Us being brainwashed into thinking This and That ...

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by mark_price

Originally posted by Hydroman
Their names say who they are. They are messengers. That's what they are called. Why would they be called that if that's not what they are? So, before man existed, who did they give messages to?

They did not speak a human language before people existed (why would they?). So ANGEL is a human word that does not define who they are. Different angels have different aspects: fighting, bringing light, bringing messages etc. It's an attempt to help us conceptualize them.

Who did they fight before the fall? Who did they bring the light to before man? Who did they bring messages to before man?

Genesis by other standards in the Bible is lackluster, and rather vague.

Typically, the scenario is they ate 'Forbidden Fruit', and learned of Evil. This 'Poison' was to later be healed by a Mesiah. Jesus is the one in Christian view points.

Now, in the Darker Sects, the Knowledge is an inner being, a kernel of thought, Demons, what have you.

So, if you study Occultism, Paganism, Transcendentalism, or heck for that matter Modern Medicine, it's letting someone fall. As, it's typically given in the third person perspective.

To equate Evil and Forbidden, and knowingly cast one's flesh, you have been indoctrinated into the fold. IE, the 'being in someone's hands'.

As, Angels are often only seen to the one whom is spoken to, it is not Universal, or godly. More like a mission.

How one chooses to interact is solely up to the individual, and they may deflect upon a more inclined 'good' path, or self-preservation...

My guess is that a good portion of these "angels" are actually time travelers. Particularly the ones witnessed around Jesus's tomb. Angels seem to show up at times to see if they can "adjust" events so they turn out the way they're supposed to. The angels who visited Lot before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The angel who appeared just in time to stop Abraham from murdering Issac. God commands something really harsh, but then angels show up to soften or mitigate it. God doesn't show up himself to make the correction.

So that leads me to think that maybe Angels are people (humans from a not too distant future) keeping tabs on important events that need to happen to keep the timeline from going all haywire, or so that certain people live in order to maintain a genetic line.

Originally posted by Hydroman
The word "angel" comes from the greek "angelos" which comes from the hebrew "malak" meaning "messenger".

First, the omnipresent biblical god often spoke to people himself according to the bible, so why did he need messengers? What determined when he needed to use a messenger?

Next, if he created angels before man, who were they supposed to be messengers for if there was no one to give a message to?
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Hydroman, I don't think this is difficult to understand if you break it down. Which came first the angels or the word "malak". The angels existed prior to man, the angels were so-named due to the function that they performed which was often delivering pronouncement of judgement. I think the term angel was overused sort of like man referring to both a male human and to human kind in general. The fact that they existed prior to man is therefore not inconsistent with the naming.

They are in fact a race of spiritual / extra-dimensional beings which are capable of interacting with this world under specific conditions. They are known as angels, the divine, and even gods.

God interacted with Adam and Eve I believe before condemning them to purely physical bodies in the physical realm. Then he interacted with Moses most specifically. It is clear that without certain precautions that to be in the presence of God would destroy our physical bodies whereas the angels are able to manifest themselves fully in to the physical realm and therefore be less destructive.

I don't believe God completely exposed himself to Moses I think he gave him a glimpse of himself through an open 'dimensional portal' which was the fire that descended on the mountain without setting it completely ablaze. I believe he took those steps to impress upon the people of Israel that Moses was going to be his chosen instrument in the physical world and he reaffirmed this several times.

No guess Work...

An example of a Green Cherub, Having 6 Wings...


The "Seraphim" were similar but Larger also having 6 wings..
These come in a range of colours according to their Functions.

A Wing... Whose place is either side of centre...
i.e. a wing of a plane or bird, the wing of a building, or the left or right wing of a political party.
But in this case as you see in the drawings.

An example of a Blue Angel from the New Jerusalem...



These also come in a range of colours according to their Functions.

Did you Just watch Dogma Or Supernatural? if so, stop aspiring to these questions and realize it's just a show/

Every human has his or her own special talents. Artist, scientist, athlete and more. It would make sense that spirit creatures would have a similar potential for growth. The talents would probably be different than the human listing. As they grow in experiece these spirit creatures could be allocated more responsibility, power or authority.

I believe the word angel just describes a messenger from God but it doesn't define what their real job is in heaven. Maybe at some point in time a spirit would stand out to God because of some outstanding quality, thereby given the opportunity for a temporary assignment on earth. Still their main job would be in heaven, whatever that may be. Spirits don't just sit there in heaven waiting for an assignment for earth duty.

There is one account in Ezekiel that describes a Cherub that is placed in the holy mountain of God where every precious stone is his coverings. This cherub would normally walk among the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:13-14 This sound like a special assignment to me, other than being a messenger of God. This almost sounds like the planet itself. The mountain is the surface, the gems are the minerals below and the fiery stones are the mantle. One intelligent creature in charge of the whole planet.


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It never ceases to amaze me, how most try to humanise the Ancient writings.

These writings are a Parable and involve the Soul and Not the Flesh.

Example from The Gospel of Thomas..... Quote;

52.
His disciples said to Him,

“Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel,
and all of them spoke in You.”

He (Jesus) said to them,

“You have omitted The Living One in your presence,
and have spoken only of the Dead.”

As I have quoted many, many times before on ATS, but sadly perhaps is not understood.

From The Gospel of Thomas…. Quote;

56.
Jesus said,

“Whoever has come to understand the World
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the World.”

The universe most are aware of, is only a story of the Soul.

This story does have a purpose, and that is, it invokes the "Metamorphoses of the Soul".

What we see of the Universe is a manifestation INSIDE Each Soul, and Not Outside the Soul, as we are lead to believe by the undrstanding of the Human Species.

"The Son of MAN", has Nothing at all to do with the Flesh.

"The Son of MAN", never called or referred to, as the Son of A’Dam, but is also "The Son of Man" is referred to as "The Man Child", is a Component of the Soul, that operates as the mediator between the 2 ends of the True Mind, or LIFE (Not the Brain).

This is NOT human in form but is of a Geometric Processing System within the Soul.

The Angels (so called) were said to be messengers, as they provide Communication between the Conceptual layering within the Soul.

The Soul does Text look anything like the Human Species.

God Created MAN, Not A’DAM in their own Image.

The Word “Their” refers to the 2 Components of what you call God…

See The Gospel According to John Chapter 1…

These 2 Components are.

a. The WORD… (Letters Form Words, Words Form Sentences, Sentences forms a Story).

The Word was said to be GOD. i.e. the Letters; G, O, D. But we need to turn this word into the ancient ZIONic Language to understand the Word in its true Context.

The ZIONic Language is actually the Geometric Language of The Soul.

First we Don’t Translate the Word "God" to Greek, but replace the Letters of English, to Greek.

Γ, Ω, Δ, and from these we can find the ZIONic.
The early Greek (and All other Languages) came from the Language of the Soul.

The Greek Γ (Gamma) came from the form of a Square.
If we take the Gamma and its opposite Form in Orientation,
and superimpose them on each other they form a Square.

And if we do the Same with the Ω (but ancient style Omega) we get a Circle with 4 little diagonal lines each at 45°.

With the Δ (Delta) if we do the same we get a 6 Pointed Star.
And when these 3 are superimposed we get this….


Known as the “Root of David” The Foundation Algorithm also known as the “House of David”.

So the Word GOD is actually a "Geometric Algorithm".


b. The Second Component of God is the LIFE of God which is The LIGHT of MAN, Not A’DAM.

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Now regarding “The Book of Ezekiel” this is Describing the New Octagonal Based Formatted Temple or Soul.

In the first Part of Chapter 40 in the Book of Ezekiel is described the Entry to the House of God which is the Soul (Temple), here is describing the 7 Layers in "Perspective View" from the Entrance, that form the first "Labyrinth" and looks like this….


The wings of the Cherubim’s, Seraphim’s, Angels etc are I/O Ports or Communication Ports of a Geometric Processing System between the layers of the Soul. These Forms also include 5 & 6 Pointed Stars and others. See The Revelation of J.C. Chapter 1 Verse 20… Quote part of the verse;

The 7 Stars are the angels of the 7 Assemblies.

The Romans changed the word “Assembles” to churches in an attempt for the flesh, to covet those things of the Soul.

But anyway anyone can see all of these things in their own Soul, if they wish to.
It is as simple as just closing your eyes and recognising what is in your sight.

In the "Wings" of the Angels are the Locations where Strings of Letters or Glyphs appear one after another that provide the "Communications" between the Layers of the Soul.

So the Angels are Nothing at all like a human Primate.

It is very strange why Humankind want to humanise what is Not theirs, but is instead of the Soul…

The Soul is where LIFE Dwells...

This is the Base "Partition Map" of the Soul and "The Man Child" in the Centre..



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That Base Partition Map image looks like a Ball Grid Array chip used in most electronic devices, with the center section being a ground plane.

Wow! That explanation of the Soul, in relationship to geometry, went way over my head at an obtuse angle.

It sounds like the universe is just a giant mathmatical equation trying to equal out.

Originally posted by Hydroman
The word "angel" comes from the greek "angelos" which comes from the hebrew "malak" meaning "messenger".

First, the omnipresent biblical god often spoke to people himself according to the bible, so why did he need messengers? What determined when he needed to use a messenger?

WHEN MAMMALS HAD EATEN FROM THE KNOWLEDGE TREE AND THE BS STARTED!

Next, if he created angels before man, who were they supposed to be messengers for if there was no one to give a message to?

THEY WERE CREATIONS AS ARE WE!

They were the race befor humans who didnt fil their test like humans did with the knowledge fruit, YOUR BROTHERS INDEED.





[edit on 7-5-2010 by Hydroman]

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You're picking apart words as if words have any importance to an "ever existing god." It's man who names things not a god anyway. So really, angels could be super humans that were created to entertain god. Then when god made man, man made language. Technically there may not be any angels, they just might be man's way of explaining the phenomenon of god and god's purpose and what not....

just my thoughts...

Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
The CEO, in a continuing project, decided on an area designated as the one in which we reside, to construct a 'garden'...err...to grow things!

Being that this had been done, attempted, diffused...in other parts of creation, emissaries were sent, managers, specialists...to oversee the ministrations of the energy patterns required to initiate and subsequently 'create' a locum, according to rules already layed down aeons ago...

The particular managers, or manager, already has a history of disrepute amongst the christian population, which has elevated him/her waaaaaay beyond his/her importance, in the eyes of God.

Some angels were mere managers of the ministrations of the energies...in this way they were 'singing' the praises of God, by doing his work to create a new locum of creation.

Being that (albeit almost instantaneous communication with 'God central') the distances were, and still are great between here and there (for want of better terms) some manager/s deigned to alter the 'plan', and claim ownership of the 'plan'...the rebellion begins!

Akushla