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Lets DEBUNK this once and for all... CHEM-TRAILS

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posted on May, 9 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Goethe
 


hey. unless you have an open mind, why don't you leave this thread.
see, it sounds rude when I say it too.

how about you answer this :

Originally posted by network dude
HERE IS THE PROOF!!!

since chemmies believe that chemtrails are new (early 70s) and they are evil and going to kill us all, please click on the link provided and put in your country. then explain to me again, what the problem is.





I could care less about being rude to someone that has only insults and snide comments. Not hard to figure out I think...


As to the link, that doesnt really prove anything. For one, I never said it was to harm us.


Like mentioned several times, it could be a number of reasons, and some could be to help us.


The issue I have is this. Out of every single conspiracy theory out there, this is damn near one of the only ones anyone can go outside and see for themselves, yet afew here really seem to not like discussing it... Why? Got a job that should put you in the know... But youre not or something?

So, again, anything to add thats constructive?




posted on May, 9 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by AllSeeingI
 


Thanks goes to your fellow chemtrailer Northwarden for giving us a very interesting website.

www.asp.bnl.gov...

He believes these guys are chemtrailers...


What they are in fact, are a group who fly up in the air and collect air samples.

Sounds just like what you're describing!


Gulfstream-1 Research Aircraft

The G-1 is a large twin turboprop with performance characteristics of contemporary production aircraft. It is capable of measurements to altitudes approaching 30,000 feet over ranges of 1500 nautical miles, and can be operated at speeds that enable both relatively slow sampling and rapid deployment to field sites throughout the world. The aircraft is configured for versatile research applications. It accommodates a variety of external probes for aerosol, radiation, and turbulence measurements and internal sampling systems for a wide range of measurements. The G-1 has sufficient cabin volume, electrical power and payload capabilities, and flight characteristics to accommodate a variety of instrument systems and experimental equipment configurations. Internal instrumentation is mounted in removable racks to enable rapid reconfiguration as necessary. Data from most systems are acquired on a central computer that is tailored to airborne research data acquisition. In addition to acquiring the various analog and digital input signals, it can be configured to communicate with and/or control other systems onboard, and to provide time synchronization to other computers.
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This site proves two points too...

The first is that most chemtrailers are idiots who can't read their own sources and second, that there is equipment and resources out there capable of testing, thus debunking chemtrails.



And yet your the one labeling people as idiots...


Why is ATS filled with what seem to be trolls?


See, I go by this, If I can see it with my own eyes, Ill give something some credit. But when someone only has insults lt shows they have nothing to add.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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I'm not following Chadwickus, that matches the article - four tanks for a total of 2000 equals one MASS in both instances. What is the discrepency?

An altitude of 100 feet, or an altitude of 25,000 feet - you can't be refering to the height it's used at, can you? That would depend on the mission objective. Please clear up this confusion



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Goethe
See, I go by this, If I can see it with my own eyes, Ill give something some credit. But when someone only has insults lt shows they have nothing to add.


That's because you only see what you want to see.

I have a lot to add but you choose to concentrate on the negatives and ignore the rest.

Thus proving my point.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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reply to post by Northwarden
 


What are you suggesting?

That there are several pages documenting all of the specifications of these spraying aircraft, including tank capacities and the like, yet they decided to deflect the truth by saying they spray at 100 feet instead of 25,000 feet?

Why even release ANY information at all?



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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I'd suggest a study by us all.....visual atleast......Do we all have cameras?
Collect film from the start of Chem activity to its blanket completion. We could atleast mark temperatures for the days of chem activity to days when there is none also other anomalies you may witness like extra aircraft activity as I mention in previous posts. Sounds like a good idea, the last time we had Chems was in Febuary but I do keep my eyes open and my camera handy just incase.
So a thread Field Project..........what do you think? 1 weeks worth of data or 1 month:
1.chem footage.
2.temperatures say every 4 hours through the day.
3.Weather conditions.
Just an idea?





[edit on 9-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic.


Given the artificial nature of the Global Warming that the elites keep promoting through geoengineering, and the counter-measures that are poisoning us, it's time to see through the next stage too - not just chemtrails and geoengineering - I mean, the NEXT stage. The government sanctioned eugenics agenda. Unchecked Nanotech in food, the attack on all natural health via the Codex, the limitless corporate power afforded them, life-threatening FDA drugs, no real pollutants listed in air quality indexes, infertility through worldwide takeover of GMo crops, staged wars, and on and on.

"Dr James Lovelock CBE Scientist and environmentalist known for proposing the Gaia theory that Earth functions as an organism, and author of 'The Revenge of Gaia'." is a member of the Optimal Population Club and the British Royal Society, and is a huge proponant of geo-engineering. The plot thickens". - me

The Royal Society is listed in the UN as keynote address people on geoengineering, and has published huge reports the UN links to. The Optimal Population Trust promotes sustainable populations worldwide, such as 300 million in Britain, etc.

Check these freakdogs out :
www.optimumpopulation.org...

Royal Society presentations, integral part of UN plans. (UN page)
www.un.org...

Lovelace states one billion people is "viable". interview.
www.youtube.com...

"I'll stick by it. I think it will happen". James Lovelace

Look at the rest of the Youtubes along the sidelines too



"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."

Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution

"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."

Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome.

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."

Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome.


U.S. government scientists bombarding skies with acid-rain causing pollutant in name of fighting global warming

www.prisonplanet.com...

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Northwarden]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Northwarden & Goethe:

A simple question to resolve this:

What do you think chemtrails are and how can they be identified?

Until we have a falsifiable hypothesis there is no point for this thread.

Set out your stall and then we may have a case for discussion.

Prove to us you have more to offer than white mice



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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I think we have a winner with contrails persisting between 4-8 hours.

Read the documents provided : chemtrails are clearly on record in the past.

Geoengineering is a Reality. It is a UN initiative, scooped out of the bottom-up governance it was originally proposed as by scientists. It is "safely" away from the hands of critics.

Look at the politics of Geoengineering, and please don't insult our intelligence to say this is a "future" project they are proposing.

There is nothing to say to those who want to keep things under wraps. To those who have not budged an inch on these topics, I have this to say.
That's not a normal reaction to all the news in focus. It doesn't stand to reason that complete obstinance and denial of all counter-claims is a sensible viewpoint. We will persist beyond your contrail-only theories to look at the pollutants in our atmosphere, and the sensible address to geoengineering from an educated standpoint.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by Goethe
See, I go by this, If I can see it with my own eyes, Ill give something some credit. But when someone only has insults lt shows they have nothing to add.


That's because you only see what you want to see.

I have a lot to add but you choose to concentrate on the negatives and ignore the rest.

Thus proving my point.


Like what negatives? The only thing being posted that could be used to debunk this, doesnt.



[edit on 9-5-2010 by Goethe]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
Northwarden & Goethe:

A simple question to resolve this:

What do you think chemtrails are and how can they be identified?

Until we have a falsifiable hypothesis there is no point for this thread.

Set out your stall and then we may have a case for discussion.

Prove to us you have more to offer than white mice




Im not a scientist, nor do I claim to be.

I firmly believe theyre a tool to further the global warming agenda and world tax system/government.

Some of the articles and patents I linked describe these particles as being used to absorb radiation from the earth. I guess to trap or release heat of the earth.

Or, any number of reasons. But, not having a good reason why is not enough to debunk this.

And enough of the white mice crap already. If you have no desire to post or read the thread, why are you here?


As to how the can be defined... Easy. Go look outside. Watch the all white planes spray the long thick trails. Then spend several hours there watching what they do.

Its not hard to spot which are contrails and which are chemtrails.

I know I know... White mice and all right?



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by DreamerOracle
I'd suggest a study by us all.....visual atleast......Do we all have cameras?
Collect film from the start of Chem activity to its blanket completion. We could atleast mark temperatures for the days of chem activity to days when there is none also other anomalies you may witness like extra aircraft activity as I mention in previous posts. Sounds like a good idea, the last time we had Chems was in Febuary but I do keep my eyes open and my camera handy just incase.
So a thread Field Project..........what do you think? 1 weeks worth of data or 1 month:
1.chem footage.
2.temperatures say every 4 hours through the day.
3.Weather conditions.
Just an idea?





[edit on 9-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]



One step ahead of ya. Ive been doing this for several months now.

Im also going to look at local medical statistics and certain illnesses. See if theres any linkage.

I have about 8000 images too of trails over Jersey. Pages 1 and 2 I think have some of them posted.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Northwarden
 


What are you suggesting?

That there are several pages documenting all of the specifications of these spraying aircraft, including tank capacities and the like, yet they decided to deflect the truth by saying they spray at 100 feet instead of 25,000 feet?

Why even release ANY information at all?




I for the record, dont think this is how the praying is done. I think its in the fuel.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Goethe

Some of the articles and patents I linked describe these particles as being used to absorb radiation from the earth. I guess to trap or release heat of the earth.


Fine. But do any of those patents describe something which appears and acts exactly like normal aircraft contrails, as observed and studied for over 60 year years?

Chemtrails may exist.

But you have absolutely no evidence that what you claim to be chemtrails (photos etc) are anything but normal contrails.

That's the issue



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Goethe

Some of the articles and patents I linked describe these particles as being used to absorb radiation from the earth. I guess to trap or release heat of the earth.


Fine. But do any of those patents describe something which appears and acts exactly like normal aircraft contrails, as observed and studied for over 60 year years?

Chemtrails may exist.

But you have absolutely no evidence that what you claim to be chemtrails (photos etc) are anything but normal contrails.

That's the issue



I disagree. Photos alone dont amount to much nowadays, but that with all the documents going back more than 60 years on weather modification and such show me we have done this in the past, and continue to.

As for your question on if the patents do the same thing as normal contrails... Im not sure. Im not a scientist. This is why I post them here and ask for insight. From what I read though, if the chemicals are mixed into the fuel, I assume it would resemble a normal one to some degree for some time.

What I gather from some of these docs, the spraying is for 'good' reasons. Atleast thats how I read it.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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So they were spraying each other whilst on bomb runs or in dog fights during wwII?



B17's on a bomb run




More B17's Notice the Higher Aircraft in colder air are the only ones producing contrails.

Contrails were not popular amongst the daylight bomber crews as the bright white trail acted as a signpost in the sky for the German air defences.

This website will give you more info

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Eventually, all clouds and contrails will dissipate, but the length of time they endure is related to the atmospheric conditions as well as the strength of the winds. If the contrail is formed when the local atmosphere is dry, it may dissipate rapidly. But if the atmosphere is near saturation, it will exist for a long period of time, perhaps spreading or mixing with naturally-formed clouds until it is unrecognizable as a contrail.
It is for this latter reason that many climatologists have become concerned about the increase in air travel over recent decades. It has been estimated that cloud cover may increase by up to 20% in some heavily-traveled areas due to man-made contrails. This increase could have a significant effect on the climate in those regions since clouds block solar radiation. Designers of modern stealth aircraft must also be concerned about contrails since they can easily give away a plane's location to an observant enemy. While methods have been developed to inject (usually toxic) chemicals into a vehicle's exhaust to eliminate contrails, it's usually far more preferable to simply increase or decrease altitude until the atmospheric conditions no longer support their formation.

So it would seem that you have more to fear if you see a high flying aircraft which is not producing a contrail.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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Cloud Seeding and silver iodide

More spraying...


Now, why do I even bother posting these docs... Cause it shows one thing........


Can anyone guess what that is?


We spray our skies with chemicals.


SO, how is this a hoax?

The only thing debatable, like I mentioned previously is the reason why...

(Im not saying cloud seeding is chemtrails here either. Im saying we spray the skies for different reasons)



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Why don't we go for a two-in-one debunk, and look at the Global Warming Hoax the UN is promoting. Here's a new NASA biofuel, leading specialists in the air industry.


The implementation of nanotechnology in using aluminum nanoparticles, which have a diameter of about 80 nanometers, or billionths of a meter, is key to the propellant's performance. These nanoparticles combust more aggressively than larger particles and enable better control over the reaction and the rocket's thrust; better yet, it is considered a green propellant, since its exhaust is mainly hydrogen gas and aluminum oxide, which are not harmful to the environment.


Aluminum Oxide is not harmful to the environment. Please note that aluminum will not harm anything within the environment, including ourselves, we hope. Anyone care to agree that aluminum is harmless to the environment? Keep in mind that our air quality indexes don't even mention aluminum - it's not studied. Now if NASA tells us that aluminum is not harmful to the environment, why are they doing this?

Engineering Aluminum-Tolerant Crop Plants: Biochemists Devise Method For Bypassing Toxicity Effects

www.sciencedaily.com...


The article goes on to say ...


Biofuels can lower life cycle carbon dioxide emissions relative to conventional petroleum-derived jet fuels, lowering the carbon footprint of aviation and therefore improve local air quality around airports


www.glgroup.com...

The carbon footprint of aviation, and lowered CO2 - that's the entire Global Warming game.

Powerful Documentary Trounces Man-Made Warming Hoax
Climate change is natural and has been happening since the Earth began
www.prisonplanet.com...

Please pay a visit to this site if you still need proof. keep in mind that plants produce sugars through photosynthesis, which requires CO2 during the process - AND SUNLIGHT. Geoengineering declares Co2 the enemy, and is attempting to block out sunlight. Curious?

www.globalwarminghoax.com...

"So why are they partaking in geoengineering?" is a next question in the sensible mind. So is, "what's the damage?". please look at the following for some good insights, things to avoid, etc ...

www.911weknow.com...

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Northwarden]



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