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Tesla, is his ether bunk

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posted on May, 7 2010 @ 10:24 AM
Tesla, is his ether bunk

Thats the word I would assume from the lack of enthusiasm for the
science findings of Tesla.
Well unless there are hordes monkeys looking over his notes in a locked
up Los Alamos library.

Here is what he said and where his published lecture was noted:

"The most probable medium filling all space is one consisting of independent
carriers immersed in an insulating fluid." (1)

the reference being in the following book publication:

1. T. C. Martin, The Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla;
Lecture before the Institution of Electrical Engineers, London (1892).

as both are noted in a memo by Tesla and UFO researcher and author
William R. Lyne as to what Tesla is talking about:
Flunking the Debunker

Now lets consider further discussion and ideas if we only had more references
to this theory or is it now a law to some people that are bound to secrecy.

If there are electrical carriers there should be some mass.
Pushing the mass together makes more and bigger and heaver mass.

This also might explain alpha particles becoming Helium atoms by
attaching electrons from this mass that is available.

Many other things accordingly as well as pressure waves made by

The high voltage and frequency of Tesla's coil 'freezes' the electrical ether
components and mass allowing for pressure waves. Not the entire method
perhaps but close to the way Tesla said his ship is pulled up from above
and pulled back and forth I would imagine at the flick of a high voltage
switch once found among high voltage connections in a salvage yard
by Lyne assumed coming from the Sandia labs.

This arrangement is perhaps behind the wireless transmission and reception
of electricity as noted in Tesla's patents.
The pressure part not being mentioned unless one considers the Death Ray
or force at a distance and any beam techniques.

The focusing of the ether with globes and half globes is another unknown
area the we see from the remnants of publications left to our disposal
that are ignored or are just too much associated with ether theory.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:41 AM
Reading further into the memo linked above:

I discovered in my research that Tesla's technology was the same or similar
to that of J. J. Thomson. (6) I know this because Tesla never disputed
Thomson's Electromagnetic Momentum Theory, never said a word about it.
Tesla never failed to dispute a theory if he thought it was false. Ergo, he
agreed with it but didn't want to discuss it. As they say in the law, "He
waived any objection to it, and can thereby be deemed to have accepted it
as true." Tesla did take Thomson to task in regard to another issue, the
production of fluorescence in gases in glass tubes at low pressures. In that
case (7), Tesla proposed that electrostatics was better than
electrodynamics, to which Thomson agreed!

Tesla's stony silence on the Thomson theory was because Thomson was
letting the cat out of the bag, and any statements Tesla could have made
would only have made matters worse, because this was Tesla's biggest

The discourse with Thomson is noted in other Tesla sources.
I like the attention payed to the electrostatic wave causing gases
to be illuminated as if Tesla made an aircraft using such waves
we might eliminate the confusion about the source of bright lights
hovering about in the night or the presence of strange stars.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 03:54 PM

This seems close to how Tesla made a single sensitive ether
wave detector.
Only one streamer not the many we see here.
And higher frequency and voltage of course.

A search of youtube on similar topic:

I'd say illuminated ether of Tesla while the 'official' terminology
seems to be plasma which I though was Helium nuclei being confined
for controlled fusion.

This looks like the bulbs Tesla may have experimented with.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 04:23 PM
Hi TeslaandLyne !

I have to say I agree with you , and I think it is a shame that Tesla's work has not been scrutinized and tested and verified , or even debunked ...

Should think that some would really try to duplicate or re invent some of the things that he came up with , but no luck so far . [or is it all there but classified and in use]

Keep up your good work and I think we will get to know some more of the genius Tesla !

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 04:42 PM
of what i know of tesla he was an amazing man. i also agree with what you have to say also one of his experiments was on mythbusters something about a device that could crumble buildings

posted on May, 8 2010 @ 10:51 AM
crimson tears shini
A mechanical vibrator or spring loaded little hammer on a spring
loaded windup clock might have been the type Tesla or Mythbusters used.
I do recall the show some what.
I thought there might be some sort of feedback in the hammer to
match the exact building resonant frequency.
Or just hammering away at any frequency finally caused resonance
is perhaps the answer.
There were two instances perhaps on the web and in books.
One in the basement of a building that had no local effect but outside
caused havoc and Tesla snashed it with a sledgehammer to stop it
after hearing of the outside problems.
The other is a iron framework under construction that cause workers to
climb down as Tesla removed the device and walked off.

Imagine now an electrical to pressure wave and what that might do to
a building. Perhaps the root of the Directed Energy Weapon (DEW)
brought up by 911 conspiracy seekers that was set down by a judge
as being non existent.

Well the theory is that people are working on the science of Tesla
and if a breakthrough happens some round about explanation
(lie to avoid credit to Tesla) is given. No ether would be the biggest
lie as Tesla was an ether scientist.
I think there are independent people experimenting and did have
some success as suggested by Lyne at one time for levitation.
The cover (lie to avoid Tesla) suggested for the UFO being ETs did
it and reverse engineering.

The principle of electricity to pressure may be the root to the Tesla
aircraft (UFO?). If you see a photo with Tesla with lit gas bulbs you
will see a large coil behind him. This is the coil mentioned in the memo.
Radio waves leave the antenna and travel forward (DC) as it undulates.
The same for the electrostatic coil pressure waves as they travel
away (in one direction as identified by Tesla and Lyne as Direct Current
much different than the normal use of direct current).

From the memo linked in the original post:

what results is negative electrostatic discharges, D.C. in sign. Most
schlubs would assume that the dipole is "supposed" to produce an A.C.
node, but it does not do so at sufficiently high frequency, because of this
phenomenon, which Tesla knew about in the 1890s, which is why he called
his single terminal ("pancake") coil " method for producing direct
current with an alternating current."

The wave is but 1/4 of the sinusoidal input and thus has to be one way.
Tesla was always calculating the quarter wavelength for the coil which
might also mean a 4x frequency resonance is desired.

posted on May, 8 2010 @ 11:07 AM
The mechanical resonance effect was first seen in modern times
on a large scale at the Tacoma Narrows bridge.

Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse

As for tesla talking about the ether, that was the still unknown
issue of the Casimir Effect.

The Casimir Effect

This man here in the US I believe to be one of the top US experts
on the Casimir effect and was suppose to be behind a website called several years ago.

Also interestingly he was part of the real STAR GATE program.

Harold Puthoff

Some things have been known for many years that are not making
it into the public domain in my opinion.

Good Luck to you all !

posted on May, 8 2010 @ 12:42 PM
I'm not sure if the ether has quantum effects but since the carriers or
mass must be quite small that qualifies the realm of small effects.
However Tesla worked the high voltage way beyond any quantum
effect but the frequency was a factor.

There must be mass to have pressure but as far as I have found
Tesla made no mass calculation but assumed particles were driven
off his half sphere terminal or single terminal bulb before making
the targeting X Ray bulb with a second terminal.

The electrical sensitivity of the ether is another factor as a breakthrough
can happen as various levels of voltage and frequency.
The idea of lifting up a vehicle is amazing and we can only theorize
or experiment or wait for the true mechanism to be uncovered.

posted on May, 8 2010 @ 06:33 PM
I just came across an interesting thought on the ether:

Ether effects may be metaphorically conceived as "interdimensional", since
invisible ether is incorrectly thought to be imperceptible, but inertia and
momentum are perceptible in ‘our’ dimension, which they are part of. I use the
‘other dimension’ reference only because fifty years of brainwashing has
obliterated human consciousness of it and many other things in reality. I
present it that way to soften the initial effects of facing reality. We perceive the
ether effects both physically, feeling inertia and momentum in our bodies as
we move, and visually, seeing the effects on objects and life forms as they
resist movement, accelerate, fall, tumble, bounce, and come to rest


posted on May, 19 2010 @ 04:34 PM
these theories on ether are interesting.

my thought on the Tesla hammer vibration device is that the building materials and methods in 1890 when he was testing his device (not sure if he actually tested it in the year 1890 but i'm sure i will be corrected as to the accurate date.). i think this is a very big factor in the effects of the device not to say that correctly tuned and enhanced it could possibly do damage to todays structures that is.

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 09:53 AM
The hammer set up physical vibrations.
I had just reviewed one announcement where some
people might get earthquake control from:

1935-07-11: Tesla's Controlled Earthquake

Just noted in the Tesla science thread.

The apparent reason for keeping Tesla secret is the electrical
control of the ether (or super thin air acting like electrical carriers
immersed in a liquid) is the physical mechanical pressure or force
can result. Electricity to Force.

So we need no hammer. A high voltage pulsing coil is the hammer.
Does his aircraft hammer its way up to levitate or hover.
In a way that might be so.
Does the hammer into the ether work for sideways motion, well
Tesla said back and forth motion after being airborne for navigation.

Tesla met with Sperry for not only a gyro stabilizer but perhaps
according to Bill Lyne, if I'm not mistaken, for a celestial navigator
as Bill thinks his remote compasss find might be apart of the onboard
navigation system. A few hidden notes in the dusty library basement
might reveal that encounter.

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 01:05 PM
do you think that this device might have practical aplications in demolition or maybe warefare?

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 03:07 PM

Originally posted by crimson tears shini
do you think that this device might have practical aplications in demolition or maybe warefare?

I wonder how possible that is.
Thinking that the Tesla non plane works on suspension waves that might
go to the ground I have only thought that cattle or people might have
been suspended from underneath. Suspension of dirt and water seems
to have been observed and now think ground moisture rises to the
non plane in hover to make lenticular clouds but all that is mild
or of the wrong frequency to harm buildings.

Thus a separate ray assembly might be required.
Perhaps supported by an operating ship using the similar mechanism.
I wonder if thats where the DEW 911 WTC theories came from but
there was no mention of Tesla as was Bill Lyne's letter to Obama
suggesting expanded use of the ships he still sees in NM night skies.

I can't say for sure of the effectiveness in demolition or warefare but
the stealth factor seems to be of value. Would Tesla's hammer topple
the skyscraper he was in from the top down. Some how all the talk of
Tesla seems to be with us for a long time and the official and un
official stories are filled with nothing to do with Tesla.

What I would consider source material if giving assumptions
about Tesla. Although some are apparent newspaper copy and not
entirely what Tesla might have assumed being one contention
of course about aliens which to some is an end in itself
and not finding out what Tesla was all about.

A good source is from then click Nikola Tesla

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:12 PM
More from Tesla on his undiscovered ether.

* New York Herald Tribune — Sept. 11, 1932
Tesla Says Wireless Waves Are Not Electromagnetic, But Sound In Nature
Holds Space Not Curved
Predicts Power Transmission to Other Planets
by Nikola Tesla
The assumption of the Maxwellian ether was thought necessary to explain
the propagation of light by transverse vibrations, which can only occur in a
solid. So fascinating was this theory that even at present it has many
supporters, despite the manifest impossibility of a medium, perfectly mobile
and tenuous to a degree inconceivable, and yet extremely rigid, like steel.
As a result some illusionary ideas have been formed and various
phenomena erroneously interpreted. The so-called Hertz waves are still
considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that
the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies
however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the
universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be
propagated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to
those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does
not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether,
behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the
great elastic force and extremely small density of the medium, their speed
is that of light.


Tesla seems to envision multiple channels like DTV perhaps at one part.
Talking about power to the planets had to be beyond thought in 1932 much
less in 9/11/2001 as power in wires is our only way as blackouts from
fallen trees can take weeks to correct and even temporary antennas
would help but must suffer because the big secret must be kept hidden
by anti Tesla science agents who own the technology.

posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 12:16 PM
I came across a recent enlightenment in posting on a free energy
topic and I caught the connection of Tesla's pulsing the ether to
move his ship around to people pulsing motor generators and
finding free energy.

I did make a pulse motor control but never drove a generator
to see any power advantage.
There is an extreme possibility that pulsing the ether works wonders.
Here are my posts in another thread as I put 2 and 2 together and
got 5.

He has a pulsed motor control like a multivibrator using discrete component,
capacitor resistor etc., wire board circuit. I constructed one for a motor
control. Does this provide 'free energy' as I never compared results. I think
there is a UFO anti gravity effect cause by the pulsed ether. It worked to the
Tesla ether ship, why not for a motor generator. The circuit sends positive
pulses into the motor generator. These are electrostatic pulses and not
normal electricity and has taken on the ether force Tesla used. Tesla used a
coil to make consistent voltage pulses in to the ether to lift his ships.
Wonder if a pulsed motor coil might take off. I'd sure like to know.

And then made the connection:

Couldn't help but read your post. An interesting result may have come to
light from my point of view. Considering Tesla used pulsed direct to the
ether, quite possibly there is no current as when electrons in metal are
moved. Pulsing cannot cause EM Hertz waves as Tesla said in court
testimony he did not make EM Hertz waves. ED: Also thus nothing to do with
magnets or magnetism and just force of voltage induction.

So magnetism helps when a rotating device has loops of wire to
cross moving magnetic lines but to provide a pulsing force for
the motor there might be an ether advantage.
The pulsed Electric fiels, from voltage, or pulsed static field seems
to be the to the Tesla advantage he used in all his coil related devices.
Weather a rotating aluminum disc with a hole to vary a magnetic
induction to change an electric field or a reciprocation inductor and
air spring connected to a large coil to power a submarine there is
definitely an abrupt change mechanism as the source of the power.

So taking my two motors for the twin drive boat which are permanent
magnet DC motors and just drive one as I connect the shafts and
drive the DC motor as a generator and see how long the DC pulsed
drive will keep the battery charged. This would be great to set up
a MG, motor-generator, to keep the two drive motors going and keep
the battery going and thus avoiding getting the remote controlled
boat stuck in the middle of the pond. This can only be avoided by
noticing the speed of the boat going down and bringing it into shore.
I had tried that years ago I might have discovered something I did
not understand but now I would. Also why don't I set up a power
by radio control that Tesla used and forget the over unity set up
but Tesla gave up on radio power and went to over unity for his
aircraft/Foo/saucer/triangle/UFO and submarine power.

What does ether control do for an aircraft: goes 300 miles per
second and stable in wind and storm as he said so and as the
so called UFO apparently performs.

posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 03:15 AM
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

"The most probable medium filling all space is one consisting of independent
carriers immersed in an insulating fluid."

First of all the quote actually says the "......probable medium filling THE space...
not "all space" as William Lyne says it is. Go and read this in Tesla's lecture. By fiddling this quote Lyne made it look like Tesla was talking about all space when "the space" obviously referred to the space between to terminals of his coil here on earth and thus completely different as is includes air. This quote fiddling supports his phony aether theory.(the aether does exist no doubt about that but not in the form William Lyne makes out)

Don't get me wrong I'm completely for the human made ufos with no aliens but remember Lyne has proven CIA connections and they are either misleading him without him being aware of it or he is doing it deliberately. I'd say the latter because of all the lies people have caught him telling!

Lastly as a radio engineer who works with high frequencies of up to 900MHz(well above what Tesla would have been capable of producing) I can assure you that 1/4 length secondaries are NOT I repeat NOT for producing DC from an AC coil as this CAN........ NOT........... BE.......... DONE.

The UFO propulsion system is actually quite simple in itself. It USES(note this is not open to discussion THIS..... IS.......HOW...... THEY...... WORK.......) extremely high voltages (+20 million volts) to electrically propel the craft. YES it does use a Tesla coil, or two. The real secret is the power source and NO it is not a stupid hydrogen furnace or watt-hour meter.

You have been mislead by William Lyne and i'm sick of amateurs repeatedly quoting him just because he doesn't believe in aliens.

posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 03:29 AM

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I just came across an interesting thought on the ether:

Ether effects may be metaphorically conceived as "interdimensional", since
invisible ether is incorrectly thought to be imperceptible, but inertia and
momentum are perceptible in ‘our’ dimension, which they are part of. I use the
‘other dimension’ reference only because fifty years of brainwashing has
obliterated human consciousness of it and many other things in reality. I
present it that way to soften the initial effects of facing reality. We perceive the
ether effects both physically, feeling inertia and momentum in our bodies as
we move, and visually, seeing the effects on objects and life forms as they
resist movement, accelerate, fall, tumble, bounce, and come to rest


In the 80's The psychic spys that were used in the top secret pentagon projects to spy on the soviet union, often referred to the the space in and out of 3d consciousness as the 'ETHER'.

From what I have read and studies about Tesla his inventions could of changed this world forever, however, on the back of his inventions after his death pockets of individuals have built empires!

posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 07:14 AM
reply to post by math548

Tesla said his wireless power would go straight through the earth.
The ether is in the earth.
Also to the planets.
The ether is out in space.
The ether is an electric sensitive entity.
In Tesla's opinion the existence fairly covers everything.
The ether throughout the ship and crew are moved together
and Bill Lyne does not think millions of volts are needed.
I might agree as I don't think the small Foo craft had much space
for wire.

Tesla thought the electron had layers.
This might be because he kept on making millions and millions
of volts as charges kept drawing in electrons.

posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 07:32 AM
reply to post by franspeakfree

As long as the cap on true wireless power stays in effect there
might not be any change.
Just check for any patents that reference Tesla's patents then
you will know the walls are beginning to crumble with at least
a few cracks.

There is wire less cell phone recharging but is that just close
proximity transformer induction.
The is one for lap top power that is magnetic as well but not
ether electric.

There are two forms of electricity in the ether as in light with
electric and magnetic vectors. Just using the electric is the
Tesla way the ether flows off the antennas of the large coil of wire.

Radio waves flow off the antenna and Tesla demonstrated in
1892 the wireless power flow is one way or DC which is sort
of undulating but is one way an overabundance of charge
might cause sparking. Perhaps why there might be no wireless
power solution.

With all the sparking of the Foo perhaps the only thing achievable
is flight.

posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 08:11 AM
i love the Tesla threads, hey TESLAANDLYNE have you
built a tesla coil?I as you am a massive tesla fan but
i dont support some of what bill lyne has stated not
that all he has mentioned is bunk.

when tesla referd to a totally new and unexpected
new form of power was he talking about either?

i do belive zero point apparatus exist locked away
in some top secret lab and it is well over due these
over unity devices were let loose into the world.

the main problem with the current electric moters
that claim to put out more power than is fed in they
dont take into account what happens when load is applied.

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