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Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by belial259
i agree with you. labels are thrown around strictly for emotional appeal.
capitalism is so deeply rooted in america, that this country becoming a socialist country is so remote it's laughable.
There was no free market to begin with, so what the hell are you talking about..
You can never have free market without corruption..
It is like saying you can have no crime without laws.. That is absurd..
If you ask free market, then don't stop, ask for free world with no laws..
Just like a free market, you can't survive in a free-world if you do things people don't like.. For example rape, murder blablabla.. But if you have too much power, it doesn't matter what people like or not.. Since the world is free of all laws, you can do what ever the %%%% you want with that power.. That is very similar to free market..
Dozens of Indian labourers have been forced to take refuge in a Sikh temple in Kabul after job agents who promised lucrative jobs in the unstable capital disappeared, leaving the men penniless and without passports.
Let's keep this simple shall we:
Someone kills someone, and there is freedom, meaning no laws, but there is a law which brings justice, which states murder is illegal.. And you are saying that, that law is actually freedom, or upholds freedom?
But you can't have freedom with laws, freedom means, being free to do what ever you want.. If there is something you can't do, don't call it freedom..
Humans will never be free, pure freedom is impossible, because even if we don't have laws governing us, we will always have universal laws..
Originally posted by projectvxn
Does anyone actually know what the pupose of government in a true free market system is?
1 Enforce contracts
2 Enforce fraud laws on both ends of the deal
3 Remove roadblocks that would otherwise hamper the ability of the markets to work smoothly and REGULARLY(this is what the term regulation mean in the Constitution).
The OP is right, many here think any government service is socialism, and yet this is the deception, government services are not socialism. Socialism is the government controllig the means of production and how it gets distributed.
Socialism isn't a boogeyman, it's real and it's bad. You've had a Communist government practicing socialist economics 90 miles away for 50 something years. The Eurozone is crashing, China is succeeding because they are OPENING UP not closing off.
Most of you would probably penniless if the government hadn't given you some sort of rights.
Bottom line, humans will never be free..
Freedom always comes at a price, and that price is justice.. In order to have freedom, you must give up justice..
You believe in partial freedom, don't even bother saying it is freedom..
If you can't do what ever you want, that is not freedom..
Don't confuse yourself, even though legislations are papers, they are turned in to law, when mixed with law enforcement agencies..
No justice no peace, but just freedom..
Originally posted by hawkiye
And also quit blaming Capitalism for the failing economies for god sake do a little research.
It is NOT foolish to aspire to be a laborer if the people in charge didn't try to continually screw their employees.
To keep people with your type of mind set from stealing every dime they had.
And so many people want to go to college, have a better life, but cannot due to circumstances beyond their control.
Someone posted earlier that the only free market was the black market.
That should tell you something about the level of morality a truely free market ends up adopting.
People want to hide behind things like economics as an excuse for why those around them suffer. The whole "well they chose that life" is not even remotely a correct answer.
The free market concept assumes that people will do the right thing because it is in their best interest, but we all know d#$n well that a lot of the time people make the wrong choices.
Regulation is a necessity as long as fallible people are making decisions.
A society that is purely any one thing whether it be capitalist, communist, socialist, etc., usually fails. It is the rigidity of a system that eventually leads to it tearing itself apart.