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Socialist I Am Calling You Out!

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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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This has nothing to do with socialism and they know it...It's straight up communism they just call it socialism so it doesn't sound as bad...This thread is a joke ok It was never about socialism...




posted on May, 12 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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This is EXACTLY the type of ignorance ATS is TRYING to deny....

Communism and socialism are two completely different social ideaologies. Anybody who cannot see the difference between the two really should learn more about them before entering into a forum on socialism.

Education is the key my friend......



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
This has nothing to do with socialism and they know it...It's straight up communism they just call it socialism so it doesn't sound as bad...This thread is a joke ok It was never about socialism...


You guys can keep repeating this non-sense over and over but it doesn't make it true. the joke is on you.

Communism is forced socialism. Marxism, Leninism, fascism are all forms of socialism. they all have some variations but they are rely on a collectivist mindset and or strong central planning, community property, and forced participation. All have ended badly in history.


Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
www.merriam-webster.com...

There are voluntary forms of socialism too that are not necessarily bad like the Amish or some of the hippie communes of the 60 and 70s.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
Communism is forced socialism.


Therefore its not the same is it....



All have ended badly in history.


Wrong. there are still many successful socialist states......My country for example.

Can i ask you this....have you ever lived in or even BEEN to a socialist state? The saying "don't knock it till you've tried it" springs to mind.

Also you have shown the definition for PURE socialism which, lets face it, is a crock-o-bull. Capitalism is so thoroughly entwined into our every fibre of being that socialism will never be true socialism.

So if you beef is with pure socialism, to be honest im with you, but socialism is NOT communism.....



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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Yeah bro yeah I'm ignorant...haha what a joke you are...bet you work for them...ATS is just full of agents...whatever...they will lose in the end.


Oh and I know that the two are different I never said anything that you claim is ignorance...



[edit on 13-5-2010 by NWOWILLFALL]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 04:54 AM
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hahahahahahaha you think im an "agent"? Thats hilarious.

So now there is a difference between communism and socialism?

Are you even reading what your saying?

[unless there is some very basic misunderstanding in which case i will apologise. Who are you referring to as "they"?- ed]


[edit on 13-5-2010 by OLDMATE]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
This has nothing to do with socialism and they know it...It's straight up communism they just call it socialism so it doesn't sound as bad...This thread is a joke ok It was never about socialism...


You guys can keep repeating this non-sense over and over but it doesn't make it true. the joke is on you.

Communism is forced socialism. Marxism, Leninism, fascism are all forms of socialism. they all have some variations but they are rely on a collectivist mindset and or strong central planning, community property, and forced participation. All have ended badly in history.


Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
www.merriam-webster.com...

There are voluntary forms of socialism too that are not necessarily bad like the Amish or some of the hippie communes of the 60 and 70s.


Communism is extreme socialism(forced socialism) just like fascism is extreme capitalism(unrestricted/unregulated capitalism). In other words you were ALMOST RIGHT!

Fascism is an economic system and should not be confused with political systems. I can say it 1000 times but a lot of people are either too stupid, too brainwashed or too politically motivated to WANT to understand. They keep associating fascism with a socialist dictatorship which HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIALISM! At best its PSEUDO-socialism because all the central banks ARE PRIVATE! That is why people pay so many taxes. Capitalism=Private!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't relly on wikipedia or any other mainstream source for 100% accurate descriptions. The nwo(status quo) prefers misinforming people, giving them half-truths rather than full-truths, so they can better manipulate them when the time is appropriate.

It seems I am the only person on ATS that 1)knows the truth 2)tells it! I hate sounding arrogant but 90% of the members have no clue what they are talking about and its a damm shame because we are supposed to deny ignorance.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by OLDMATE
Wrong. there are still many successful socialist states......My country for example.

Can i ask you this....have you ever lived in or even BEEN to a socialist state? The saying "don't knock it till you've tried it" springs to mind.

Also you have shown the definition for PURE socialism which, lets face it, is a crock-o-bull. Capitalism is so thoroughly entwined into our every fibre of being that socialism will never be true socialism.

So if you beef is with pure socialism, to be honest im with you, but socialism is NOT communism.....


European socialism is the PSEUDO-socialism I was talking about because european governments pretend to care for people but they tax them anywhere between 30%-50% of their income for basic services you could get in america for much less. The ECB(European Central Bank) located in frankfurt germany is the secret government of the EU and as such has 100% influence in brussels with every national government. The entire EU is a huge scam!

In america we have fascism masquerading as capitalism and the Federal Reserve Bank of America running washington, dc. Again people pay 20%-30% of their annual income in taxes and get very little goods/services in return.

Get rid of the PRIVATE central banks and we will have a true democracy or a true republic. Anything less is uncivilised to quote the famous gillete commercial.

Thanks for supporting me in denying ignorance. People start a thread calling out socialists and then they get pissed if people don't agree with their views. Tough!



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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I'm not a socialist by my standards I considerate myself moderate liberal/authoritarian but probably by your standards hawkiye I'm the most horrendous socialist.

I don't mind paying higher taxes. After all as a student I actually GET money from the government for my studying. So right now I pay around 13% taxes for my part time-job. Together I get around 1000€ from which I have to pay my apartment, food transportation, books etc. Education is free. When i become a doctor my salaries taxation will rise similiarly along. It's sometimes hard but who's students years aren't?
If I were to have nice wife I would get free childcare services, dental care etc. Few years back I had anti-allergy treatment for Birch. Without government support it would cost around 5000€. Same goes for dental care. I had my teeths "straithen out" for free.

My mother earns around 200000€ brutto yearly and she pays taxes 46% if she would cross over that she would have to pay over 50% taxes. I'm okay with my taxation and so is she. She works as a doctor. I still can afford 2-weeks summer holiday on Tenerife with my friends if I save a bit and my mother with her boyfriend can afford peacefully for summer cottage near water. My girlfriend and I will go there at summer during juhannus so it's quite nice thing.
Overall I think Scandinavian way works well for me. Best from both worlds.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Amen brother! Where are you from by the way?



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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European countries are sociodemocratic, not socialist.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 
There you go...someone with a damn brain, nice to see...



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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The craziest part of this whole thing is that the for socialists of the USSR have warned us against following obama down the road to socialism. If any peoples were in a position to warn against this, it would be them!
Here's the link:
english.pravda.ru...



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:08 PM
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The economic crisis was created by the Sociaist elites to implement their One World Socialist "dictatorship"....

Free markets have existed for millenia and NEVER failed...

From native Americans making trades with other tribes, to the tribes of old in Europe doing the same and having small communities where there were people with different skills who would trade their skills for other skill/service or goods.... That's a FREE market...

The U.S. hasn't been a Capitalist country since Woodrow Wilson, a PROGRESSIVE Democrat signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, giving power over the economy of the U.S. to the Socialist elites... He also created the IRS...

Most, if not all of the world organizations are SOCIALISTS, yet they have caused problem after problem with their so called "perfect utopia" which is not perfect.

In Socialism, just like in Communism you must give away your rights as an individual for "the good of the whole" and under this pretense the rights of EVERYONE are trampled and EVERYONE is oppressed...

For some reason young, and even old generations, who have never really experienced Socialism, or Communism, forget the evils of Socialism/Communism...

Carl Marx himself stated that Socialism is but a stage to convert a Capitalist country into Socialism, and then finally into Communism...

castro was very similar in many ways to Obama, from making false promises, to first claiming he was/is not Socialist, yet after taking power he announced Cuba was Socialist, not too long after when he got even more control he stated Cuba was finally a Communist country... That's what Socialism slowly does...

I lived through Socialism/Communism, and alongside millions of other Americans, and people from all over the world we would rather die than suffer again under the dictatorship of Socialism/Communism....

So think well what you Socialists really want to do to the world because you could start another world war....and you won't win because your so called "perfect utopia' is UNNATURAL... People would rather die free than be slaves all their lives...



[edit on 13-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:38 PM
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Exactly my point before, there really isnt any true socialism anymore.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by VintageEnvy
Sometimes the intervening of the government is necessary. The very thing your saying is awful is the very thing that gave me the right as a women to vote. It made illegal for you to treat another person different based on the color of their skin.


Markets regulate themselves by the quality and service they provide.


The reason all this regulation talk is going on right now is because the services Goldman Sachs were selling were lies to people. They were betting on investments to fail.

In every business you have to have over site because if you don't this crap happens.

It was government regulation that restricted a woman's right to vote in the first place.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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Finland.
I've found this channel few days ago about Sweden but it applies well to whole Scandinavia with little variations. I have now small lunchbreak so there is probably no better way than to visit home and post on ATS and eat something here today

Anyway...here in finland childcare is free and if you want to take care of your children at home you get 200€ per children for taking care, but still many prefer kidergarden because it's cheaper and staff is professional.

Here's link:
www.youtube.com...

In US unfortunately this could never work as politics are too lobbied by corporations. Not to mention Americans have been somehow brainwashed to pay only for themselves. It's ridiculous because one person is unable to afford certain medical operations and other social expense, or one can say majority of population is unable. Its far more cheaper to do it in large scale. Not to mention that in scandinavia there is huge emphasis for education. I mean even hot dog seller can't work without 5 certificates
. Not to mention that cleaning staff is also educated how to clean and there are even half-year courses how to become one.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by azrael36
The craziest part of this whole thing is that the for socialists of the USSR have warned us against following obama down the road to socialism. If any peoples were in a position to warn against this, it would be them!
Here's the link:
english.pravda.ru...


The USSR was a communist union, not a socialist dictatorship.

They used *union of soviet "socialist" republic* to fool people into thinking they were socialists.

Hitler and Mussoloni were socialist dictators.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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It would be foolish to think that USSR was socialist or even Communist. It was more like oligarhy cloaked in cape of communism.
Let's forget WWII for second.
Anyway, I think that Hitler was more corporationist than socialist as most of his government project and tasks were outsourced to corporations. In this way he resembled more Thatcher's policies.
Mussolini was also rather right winged personality, whom I wouldn't accosiate solely with socialism. Certainly both had in their political socialistic things, but also not so socialistic things. It's certainly interesting matter to investigate, pre-world war 2 political programs.

There is also one thing, which I see very intriguing. It seems that American's have some sort of obsession on classifying certain politicians to certain political group. It seems as if there is no middleground, which I must say exists. In American point of view you are either right or left. It's perhaps no wonder that people in America have problems classifying parties in other countries as political spectrum in many countries is larger than in USA.
If someone really needs example I'll post it.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by SpeDeZo]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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The economic crisis was created by the Sociaist elites to implement their One World Socialist "dictatorship"....


"socialist elites" is an oxymoronic paradox.

Socialism and elitism have NOTHING in common.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Free markets have existed for millenia and NEVER failed...


The elite want free markets and small government so they can corner all the markets by deregulating them. Regulations, if they actually existed in a non-basterdised manner, would be great for small and medium size business and less so for big business.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
The U.S. hasn't been a Capitalist country since Woodrow Wilson, a PROGRESSIVE Democrat signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, giving power over the economy of the U.S. to the Socialist elites... He also created the IRS...


If wilson was a progressive democrat then I am right wing anarchist.

The federal reserve bank is the PRIVATE/CORPORATE central bank of the PRIVATE/CORPORATE USA government.

Anything that is private denotes capitalism! Capitalism has infiltrated all the way to the top and is no secret.

In europe we have covert capitalism disguised as socialism.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Most, if not all of the world organizations are SOCIALISTS, yet they have caused problem after problem with their so called "perfect utopia" which is not perfect.


Again elitism and socialism DO NOT MIX! Elitists are capitalists and egalitarians are either socialists or communists. Socialism is the middle ground between capitalism and communism.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
In Socialism, just like in Communism you must give away your rights as an individual for "the good of the whole" and under this pretense the rights of EVERYONE are trampled and EVERYONE is oppressed...


That is because in europe we have PSEUDO-socialism controlled by the PRIVATE ECB located in frankfurt, germany.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
For some reason young, and even old generations, who have never really experienced Socialism, or Communism, forget the evils of Socialism/Communism...


If your one of those *i wanna get rich quickly persona* then yes socialism and communism are "evil". For everyone else its a matter of being subjugated for the common good. However perfect equality does not exist in any system because humans are not perfect. Nature is not perfect either!



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I lived through Socialism/Communism, and alongside millions of other Americans, and people from all over the world we would rather die than suffer again under the dictatorship of Socialism/Communism....


Right, so your going to reference only the socialist and/or communist DICTATORSHIPS to BLANKET SMEAR both economic systems, while TOTALLY IGNORING the fact both socialism and communism can exist in a democracy or a republic.

It would be the same as me citting all the capitalist dictatorships of south america to blanket smear capitalism, not that capitalism was such a great system to begin with.



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