Burqa ban is 'un-Australian' say Muslims

reply to post by Smiggle


Here in the UK I am asked regularly to remove my crash helmet at the petrol pump, or they won't even turn the pump on. Don't show your face, no petrol. Try walking into a bank/ supermarket/ swimming pool etc. wearing a crash helmet, although it is not against the law, the security guards will escort you off the premises (and/or call the police) if you refuse to remove it ..... try it, I'm not lying, that's just the way it is.

I'm going to bed in a minute because it's after 5 a.m. here in Oz

It's just another of those emotive threads, so I'm not going to be dragged in, other than to say that the thread-title is 'Burqa ban is 'un Australian' say Muslims

Well, to the Muslims, I say this: ' Burquas are un Australian'

Anyway, it has nothing to do with burquas. It's about inch by inch domination of Australia and Australians by fundamentalist Muslims. And that, as much as anything else, is the issue. Because Aussies know exactly what's going on and why

While we're at it, those interested are free to look up the blog written by a serving Aussie policeman who is outraged (and rightly so imo) about the fact that Australian media is forbidden (thanks apparently to Justice James Woods) to identify Muslim criminals

Aussie criminals -- it's open slather. The media reports their suburb, their AGE, their occupation and slaps photos of them and their family all over the tv and newspaper

When it comes to Muslims --- it's hands off. The most the media is now allowed to say is that the criminal is of 'middle eastern' appearance. I think. Maybe they're not allowed to even say that any more

Similar with Aboriginal criminals. The media is not allowed to report that the criminal is Aboriginal

Try getting into Westpac or St. George or other banks wearing a bike helment or balaclava (and yes, they're similar to the full-face covering worn by Muslim females, aren't they ?) and the security-guard will be by your side in seconds. It's been that way for years

Muslims are laughing their heads off. The burkha is their equivalent of the Big Finger to host nations

reply to post by fatdad


Here, Here! A muslim country forces inumerable ridiculous laws down peoples throats and doesnt even blink. Then they move to other countrys and bawk and try and thwart that countrys laws. While enforcing there own laws on the country!

They have an adgenda. Breed them out from the inside and push shia law on the people.

It is almost unheard of to have a man dress in a veil and do a robbery. In the last two days I saw a couple of these cases pop up on the news, one from the UK and the other from Australia.

Which makes me very suspicious. It would not take much for the secret services like MI5 to stage one of these robberies to influence the public debate. Why would they want to do that? Because there will be legal challenges in Belgium and France, it could even be a European secret service doing it in the UK to influence the English speaking world, because Obama famously spoke up for the rights of Muslim women to choose what to wear in the West without interference by the state.

I see Muslim women wearing veils walking with their kids and prams, not exactly threatening. And if MI5 or others staged robberies and paid villians a million pounds to pull it off, yet a couple of events don't consitute a new trend. Like trying to squeeze water out of a rock, you cannot do it.

And is it beyond MI5 and co? Well, look at how our brethren in the CIA planted the towers in USA at the hands of an Egyptian agent working for them, they paid him, he recorded his conversations about their desires and the "greater goals", they didn't care about death, just had the greater goal in view. Psychotic services?

Originally posted by jeanvaljean
reply to post by oozyism

 

You are here on ATS, you can't see my eyes, and you are saying it is impossible for you to communicate..

May I respectfully point out the difference between verbal and written communication?

When you are talking to someone face to face, you are relying on direct, instantaneous feedback in the form of visual and auditory cues, the richest of which being facial expression and tone of voice.
When you are engaging in a written discussion, all you have to go on is a bunch of words arranged into sentences; you extract meaning from the text as best you can and you compose your response.
These are two completely different modes of interaction.

Speaking for myself, I would feel uneasy if my interlocutor had any type of covering which hid their whole face, regardless of their ethnic and cultural background, and their religious persuasion, because it would be blocking eye contact.
This is what I understood Riley's post to mean and I might have got it wrong for the same reason that you got it wrong: we are interpreting the written word.
Here's a special example:
You receive a phone call and your caller says: 'I've got news but I'd rather tell you in person'. In this case, auditory cues are not enough. They want to see your face as well.
Peace.

This is exactly what I meant. thankyou.

It does not equate to me wanting the burka banned.. it's just me explaining why people who wear full faced burkas may have difficulty interacting with non muslims. I imagine even some liberal muslims would have difficulty.

In all fairness I do not think I was accidentally misinterpreted.

Originally posted by fatdad
i bet if you tryed to walk about in a ski mask all day shopping etc. you would be arrested ...

And I bet'cha that if you're caught as a woman down in *the Middle East* without one, you'd be stoned to death.

See what I'm saying? It's *OK* for them to impose their beliefs on us, but as soon as it involves their country and their culture and beliefs, it's something totally different.

Catch my drift people? It's OK for them, NOT for us. Go figure?

As long as law and religion is separate i have no opinion on women being enslaved.

As long as criminals use "cultural" dress to dodge the authorities,and with the possible added bonus of polarizing opinion,i am concerned.

If you do not like our laws,and our established customs,please,feel free to find another country that will give you a free medical,social security,heavily subsidized housing and free schooling for your anchor children.

well I find it un-Australian to come to this country and demand that you are treated different and be given special treatment just because you are a certain religious denomination.....

Were more than happy to have anyone from any where in the world from any back ground as long as they want to live in harmony with the rest of the country and not want to just make it an extension of their homeland with their own rules like the whole sharia debarkle in the UK....

If you want to live in a certain religous context without fear of prejudice then don't push your ideals and morals onto a country that has western influence.....

Just really gets to me that we left the UK and saw how down hill it went and now were starting to see the same attitudes here with new immigrants here in Australia....

reply to post by Dock9


thats excatly right mate...... i agree whole heartedly !

I would love to hear the opinions of non muslim women on this subject, Upon growing up I was continually told women are equal to men.
Now the Islamists and their bigoted hateful attitudes to women are now to be respected.
Wow does this mean women are not equal after all?
A referendum would ban the Burkha in Australia.
But the notion of democracy is dead now.
The pollys want more muslims here because the world Islamic bank lends muslims on all income levels money to but houses in Australia, which means the economy is stimulated and the risk to the financial system is minimal if they default to the Muslim bank.
The ANZACS would understand and condone all of this, they fought for the Islam way of life , true blue , we are all gooses.

Actually it is "un-Australian" TO wear them.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Mikeraphone]

TheAge is running a poll.

I encourage everyone to vote.

www.theage.com.au...

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Mikeraphone]

We could all wear Burquas

Muslims don't have a monopoly on shrouds

In fact, maybe Aussies should declare 'Burqua Days' --- let's say Mondays and Thursdays --- and we ALL wear burquas !


And THEN listen to the muslims roar

All their mullahs would be sticking their ugly heads in front of the tv cameras in order to screech and threaten about The Infidels !

Oh, and ALL those fatwahs/jihads !


But hey --- if the puppets-for-Israel-Aussie-politicians won't defend Aussie culture and protect it from Burqua-Shroudism

-- then we ALL get in on the act


The fashion-houses and hair-dressers would go NUTS !

Ditto the cosmetic and plastic surgery industries

AND the footwear-industry (because from what I've seen, the preferred footwear worn with the burqua is a pair of mouldy old flip-flops

The push-up bra industry would collapse too

And Jenny Craig would go BROKE (because wearing a burqua means you don't have to care about fatness)

And last but not least, the hallowed banking-industry would go into meltd-down as Aussies in Burquas sailed merrily through the doors, blithely ignoring security and warnings about 'concealing the face'

Aussies in Burquas would say, ' Hey, mate -- you disCRIMinatin' against me or something, just because I'm a Muslim ? Get my lawyer and the media NOW ! ' Case closed.


So that's the answer and don't worry, mate

When Aussies start wearing burquas ---- the muslims will ditch them in a heart-beat. Because it will no longer get attention for them --- it will no longer be something used to pizz Aussies off --- it will no longer set muslims apart as 'speshul and diff'rent --- it will no longer be able to be used to create divisions

So grab some second-hand curtains from St. Vinnie de Paul's --- and wear that burqua like a real Aussie

^^ Well, more realistic, how about we organize a national day of protest and all wear balaclavas?

lol thats awesome.

You know what, I really think something like that has the potential to catch on. Start a new trend - ballie up! A very practical way of demonstrating the real reasons why we don't want the burqa, without allowing stupid religious freedoms commentary. I kinda feel sorry for people that are so devoted to an imaginary dude in the sky, but thats just me. God is on the inside.

Fact: Hiding your face is illegal, therefore the burqa is subverting the law. Very simple logic. You don't like the law, then break it and face the consequences or go somewhere where it doesn't apply. Very simple.

I have to say that calling things Australian, or un-Australian really pisses me off. Its a political tool. Its like everyone just suddenly forgot what this country is about from watching too much TV. If you have to say something is un-Australian, you probably have no idea what Australian is in the first place.

reply to post by Mikeraphone


Well, in time, in time

but first we have to demonstrate, ' You think that's a burqua mate ----- Nah, *THIS* is a burqua ! ' ala Hoges Dundee


We have to let the migrants see what a *REAL* burqua looks like


The Barbie-Burqua ----- for when you're munching garlic-prawns and sinking tinnies with your mates on a hot long-weekend

The Beach-Burqua --- for when you're protecting Aussies and Aussie beaches against mobs from the Outer West

The Mini-Burqua --- for showing your legs and cute bum and hanging around Westfield in packs on the weekends, trying to score

The Office-Burqua --- stick on neck-tie optional

The Gardening-Burqua --- say goodbye to sun-creams and mossie-repellent sprays

The Pig-Shooting-Burqua --- extra handy pockets for knives and comes in assortment of camoflage shades

The Footy-Burqua --- you need never worry about being stopped again for having grog. Because you're in Muslim dress and the government is scared spitless of offending you

The Cricket-Burqua --- in Green and Gold. The Indians and Pakistanis will walk off the field in protest --- Aussie WIN !

This is going to be bonza

Australian means to me , giving and receiving a "Fair Go".
Giving a fair go " means allowing women to be equal because they are"
This is about womens rights.
How many Muslim women wear the burkkha by voluntary choice?
What a world ' to have to hide your face from mankind.
How many black eyes do the Burkhas conceal?
THose who order women to wear them , how can they ?
Strange how the muslim men dont cover their face when a Aussie chick walks on by?
This is about sexist control through facist means.
It is not un Australian it is Un human.

Forgot to mention ..........


The shop-lifting burqua !

Most of the 'security guards' are muslims anyway

Now you'll be Aussie-Muslim TOO !

Shoplifting-burqua comes with a variety of large, deep pockets

and for an extra 99cents, you get the Comfy-Midsection-All-Round-Handy-Pocket ! Just tie around the waist. Undetectable slit in the front provides easy access to the Midriff-Roll-Pocket. Will hold half of Michael Hill's counter display ! And it's fool-proof ! Looks just like a roll of fat beneath that burqua

Bonus Points: NO 'security guard' will DARE touch you in your burqua

Start making profit and having fun today ---- in your Shoplifting-Burqua !

reply to post by Dr Conspire


Don't worry, mate

Aussies don't buck the tide ! Oh no !

They Go with the Flow


Grab your burqua now !

Make a Statement !

Be Cool

and multi-cultural


You'll LOVE it

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Dr Conspire

 

Don't worry, mate

Aussies don't buck the tide ! Oh no !

They Go with the Flow

Grab your burqua now !

Well it does mean I can wear lingerie and a bra in public stuff a couple of lemons in my bra and mmm people will think Iam a woman, ooh iam getting hot just thinking about it
Make a Statement !

Be Cool
No Iwould rather be steamy in my new Burqua.

and multi-cultural
Iam Iam and muti gender, oh thank you for this tip.


You'll LOVE it

How did you guess?