Originally posted by ElijahWan
Sorry they treat you or other woman like that but they surely don't speak for all us males .
Originally posted by m0r1arty
Don't take it personally, it's only ignorant windbags that pick on someone for anything other than their mindset.
Keep the chin up and don't let someone tell you anything that demeans you (unless it's me, in which case listen )
Originally posted by Gorman91
It's a joke. We do it all the time where I am.
It is the natural digestive system of society. Something is offensive, so people make fun of it. Making fun of it makes it common;y known. The problem is solved so the offense is no longer in society. Then people forget about it. Then 10 years later its brought up again for jokes and jiggles.
why is it brought up mid-discussion in an attempt to invalidate and demean female posters
Originally posted by Jenna
Over the years since I first joined ATS, something has been bothering me. There seems to be a persistent belief that women are somehow incapable of understanding some issues or that they should essentially know their place. This isn’t an opinion voiced by all male posters, nor is it my intention to imply such a thing, but it has been voiced on occasion and it typically shows up in the middle of an otherwise civil discussion. What I’d like to understand is why this view is held at all. How did it come about? Why, in this day and age, is it still held at all?
I’ve never considered myself to be much of a feminist, though I suppose this thread would indicate otherwise. I don’t believe that women are oppressed (not any more anyway), that we are victimized or exploited by men daily, or that women are in any way the superior sex. Nor do I believe that we should need to prove ourselves anymore than a man does in order to be taken seriously. I’m not out to demonize all men or call them all sexist pigs, though I’m sure someone will inevitably post without fully reading what I’m saying and claim that I am. In my mind, gender is not an indication of intelligence or worth and no one gender has a monopoly on either. Men and women are equal, different but equal. But I digress, back to the topic at hand.
Literature, mythology, and folklore from virtually every part of the globe contains tales of women who were fierce in battle, leaders of armies, revered leaders of their people, heroines, goddesses of war, etc. Women were not always seen as weak, helpless, and incapable of intelligent thought. This seems to be a relatively new development in the history of mankind. One that I find irritating in general, but significantly more so on a website such as this where we all come to discuss and learn.
As much as I’d like to do otherwise, I’ll refrain from providing direct quotes to avoid pointing fingers at any one poster. The comments that I’m referring to either flat out state or infer that:
- Women are incapable of understanding an issue so complex as the one being discussed;
- They should stick to neutral topics where they will be better capable of contributing;
- Men in a group will each speak their own mind, women in a group will just develop mind-think and agree with the majority because they have no individual opinions;
- Women cannot have an independent/rational/correct thought without first having it explained to them by a man;
- Claims of sexism are unfounded because women irrationally believe that everything is a conspiracy against them.
That’s to say nothing of the rest of the sexist comments one can find here with a quick google search. My focus for this thread though isn’t sexism in general, but the mistaken belief that being female makes someone incapable of original thought and/or incapable of understanding a topic put forth for discussion. What is it that has caused some posters to believe that's true? More importantly, why is it brought up mid-discussion in an attempt to invalidate and demean female posters for doing nothing more than discussing the topic at hand?
Originally posted by saabster5
I believe it is everywhere you look, it just depends on if you're focusing in on it or not. Not trying to say that a "thick-skin" is needed when reading these forums, but in all honesty it can be difficult with written communication to pick up voice-inflection, emotion, deeper meaning and whether or not a comment is made in a derogatory manner.
Originally posted by expatwhite
You should spend less time on here, the ironing will be really piling up and those dishes wont wash themselves.......
Gets his coat sharpish
In all seriousness, i think this is one of the better sites for gender neautrality. Im glad it doesnt show male or female on your status as i take each poster as i find them, dont care what their genitalia is. Muppets on here are muppets regardless of their sex