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reply posted on 8-5-2010 @ 07:02 AM by LieBuster
Originally posted by worldwatcher
It can't be that obvious and simple can it?

multi faceted incident going on here.. regulations coming into play, as well as the expected correction and lots of creative bookkeeping by govts imo.


Just think about what you are saying for a moment.

Banks cooking the books and so are goverments across the world so if the goverment points the finger at the banks then not only does the economy go into meltdown but people in goverment would be hung up.

now if you was in a positon and worked in top goverment would you have the balls to comence an investigation against the banks knowing you had blood on your hands and would be strung up.

These people are not stupid so manybe the nuke bunkers will be put to good use long before any nukes start to fly and they hope the army are able to keep the people away from the entrance to the bunkers.

i can not see this game they are playing will last that long with jobs going and the price of bread going up and yes i do say jobs are still going in the USA because as the number of people in work went up (so we are told) you should also note the number of people comeing on to the jobs market who are unemployed also went up.

anyone that thinks we are going to get things back under control need only look at the deficit now, take all these A$$teriity measures for the next year and then see if the deficit has gone up or down in a years time.

i sugest the deficit will had gone up and this will continue untill the people are so tired of peddling forwards only to go backwards that they take to the streets and politicians are forced to point the finger or try to protect themselves with military law, another war or something like that.

on each side of a deal you have a winner and losser and not more than an hour ago I purchased some silver, tested it and handed over the cash to a guy that obviously exspected the price to go down, stay still or had a better plan so once we were both happy with the deal we had a chat about the economy and during that chat you could see he was questioning his motives and started to rub the plastic containers holding the silver so at this point i tapped his hand, joking like and said it's mine now, get off to which he smiled but you could tell he was not happy.

still his bit of paper that say i promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of £50 with another bit of paper worth £50 or electronic digits must be worth more than shares held by golden-ball-sacks because in times of need he can always use it for tolet paper and thats just what our super heros in the euro zone, the Germans did during the 1930's you may recall.

I had trouble getting cash out the IOM to pay for this deal, they would not give me my own money so i had to transfure the money to get cash and when i told the guy selling the silver about this he said that if he draws more than £2000 out from his bank then he needs to complete a whole load of paperwork.

twenty years ago i often pulled out £2,000 cash without any trouble at all so you tell me whats going on if it's not the banks helping the goverment to stamp out cash transactions in case they loss tax on the deal. what else could it be and do remember goverments use future taxable income as security to borrow money from the banks in the first place.

Goverments and religion was once one and the same thing but now we have gone better and it's govermernts, corporations and banks that have become one and the same thing.

sorry folks but no matter what way i look at it, i always come back to the same line of thought and must need to see a doctor.


reply posted on 8-5-2010 @ 11:52 AM by Copernicus
reply to post by Afterthought



Well people are easily manipulated. Women didnt even smoke before the 1920's until a PR guy realized that tons of cash could be made from having the other part of the population smoke as well.

Today everything moves so quickly that its even possible to see from month to month how a behavior is created and adopted by people, simply by advertising and manipulating the public image of something. Its easy to do because people dont think of it as being manipulated. They never question why they watch the stuff they watch or why they get interested in certain things. They seem to assume its random.

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reply posted on 8-5-2010 @ 02:35 PM by Afterthought
Originally posted by Copernicus
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post by Afterthought



Well people are easily manipulated. Women didnt even smoke before the 1920's until a PR guy realized that tons of cash could be made from having the other part of the population smoke as well.

Today everything moves so quickly that its even possible to see from month to month how a behavior is created and adopted by people, simply by advertising and manipulating the public image of something. Its easy to do because people dont think of it as being manipulated. They never question why they watch the stuff they watch or why they get interested in certain things. They seem to assume its random.

[edit on 8-5-2010 by Copernicus]


You're absolutely right. We are all being manipulated in every part of our lives. I just wish I understood the need to control. Where does this come from? Why is it accepted?
It all seems to be about who's the coolest sociopath in my opinion. How many people can you control/manipulate today?
Remember in the book Animal Farm when all the animals are ready to rebel against the pigs? The pigs roll out the TV & all the animals become entranced with it & forget what they were there for. Classic book.


reply posted on 8-5-2010 @ 08:00 PM by burntheships
Originally posted by LieBuster
Originally posted by burntheships

The Securities and Exchange Commission aims to determine if market participants accidentally or maliciously entered orders that derailed normal trading, the people said, declining to be identified because the inquiry isn’t public. The agency will also examine if controls to prevent the rout from snowballing weren’t in place at exchanges and firms.
www.bloomberg.com...


Yeah well is that the same sec that nine years after 9/11 still have not disclosed who made all the shorts on 9/11 ?

Don't hold your breath will you.


Oh I am not holding my breath, you might have missed a key component of my post, where I specifically said "they will not incriminate themselves".

In fact, I would go as far as agreement with the following...herein I think we find the real culrpit for the flash crash.

High-speed trading, which uses sophisticated computer algorithms based on specific scenarios to automate transactions at speeds in the millionths of a second, now accounts for about 60 percent of U.S. equity volume.

"The potential for giant high-speed computers to generate false trades and create market chaos reared its head again today," Senator Edward Kaufman said in a statement.

"The battle of the algorithms -- not understood by nor even remotely transparent to the Securities and Exchange Commission -- simply must be carefully reviewed and placed within a meaningful regulatory framework soon."

Kaufman and Senator Mark Warner -- both Democrats -- said Congress needs to investigate the plunge, which at its deepest point wiped nearly $1 trillion off equity values.

And a House panel has slated a hearing on the causes for the market swoon for next Tuesday, with its chairman, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, urging the SEC to investigate as well.

The scary afternoon in markets came at a bad time for Wall Street, already reeling from accusations that it is a rigged casino -- a criticism stoked by recent civil fraud allegations against Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
www.reuters.com...

With that said, let me also say that the timeing was perfect. IMO, the capitulation began (for whatever reason) after 2:30 when the stops are taken out of play. The stop after 2:30 is 1050 points down.
How interesting that the freefall went right up to that mark.

I am not looking to the SEC to actually do thier job, they are good at ignoring giant Ponzi Schemes like Madoff even when someone holds thier hand and walks them right up to the door. No, the SEC will not do what they are paid to do, what they were created to do, agreed.
This investigation is no doubt is an appeasment, albeit one from pressure, from someone somewhere putting enough pressure down for the SEC to investigate Goldman Sachs for fraud. What kind of fraud might that be? Exactly THIS kind of fraud, this market manipulation that takes place every day.

Just who owns the "rigging"? Who owns computers and software that trades and employs traders that execute trades beyond transparency? Hummmm........



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