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The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster

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posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:27 AM
Again, I'm seeing people advocating the use of high explosives or tactical nukes to stem the flow of oil in Mississsippi Canyon block 252. What is it with people thinking that explosives solve everything? No, it will not work the way you want it to in the time you want it to. Yes, it will make matters worse. There are other pipelines in the area.... as in a mile or so away. Oil will continue to flow out, albeit at a slower rate for a while. There is a time when you should let the people who do this sort of thing for a living carry out their job. This would be a good time. Speculation is one thing. It's great to sit around and try to come up with a better way to do something. But think it through. There are a lot of people on this project with a great deal of experience. They've actually thought all of this through, and there's a reason that they aren't using explosives. (Although I'm sure somebody in the back of the room suggested it.)

The cofferdam that they're deploying today is designed as a one off for this project. Work began on it as soon as the idea was concieved, and I'm really surprised it was completed so swiftly. (They even painted it...) It has a fitting at the top so that oil will flow through a hose or pipe to a ship at the surface. No, this will not stop the flow of oil, but it will prevent more oil from spilling. The DD3 is on location to drill the relief well.

As for the response time, MSRC (spill response)vessels were on location while the rig was burning. The weather prevented effective deployment of the spill booms. You may not see any oil on the beaches yet, particularly in MS, AL, and FL. It'll get there eventually. The wind was out of the north for a few days, but it swapped around. If the wind continues to come from a southerly direction, it could all get there eventually.

As for people standing around... I know it makes it look like the spill may not be that bad. Well, it's not as bad as the OMG ARMAGEDDON BY OIL!! folks are saying, but it's still bad, and we should do something about it. To that end there are people and vessels deployed all over that area doing something, apparently even if it's just standing around in places were there's no oil yet. But at least there there.

I don't want to sound chastising, and I know it comes across as that, but for the people in the industry this is a disaster, but it's not a conspiracy. Nor is it something to be trivialized or sensationalized.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:28 AM
This is my first post to ATS and I don't want to be a buzzkiller. But has anybody noticed the original article from the oilprice site includes no sources?
I spent 25 years in journalism, and an article like that with nothing but "our sources in FEMA" without anybody on record has no credibility.
It's more than likely just some guy making stuff up.
No source, no story.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
I still have not hear one good god damn reason why they don't try to set off explosives down there to collapse this damn thing. I mean come one! One huge explosion pales in comparison as far as destruction of what will happen if this leak keeps spewing out oil.

I think it's because, as the article stated, there is a cavern beneath the well the size of Mt. Everest full of oil. If you send down a nuke or a huge bomb to collapse the well, it could very well collapse the entire "roof" of the underground Mt. Everest of oil, thus releasing much, much more!

If it's true, that there is a cavern the size of Mt. Everest full of oil down there, then imagine what that would do we cut the top off of this oil volcano, and instead of it leaking out of the very tip, it instead started leaking out of a huge, gaping hole. Our oceans would be dead in an instant.

Right now, if we keep the hole small, maybe, hopefully, there is some way we can plug the hole before it all leaks out.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:42 AM
reply to post by connery61

The author has many decades of credibility and he is a respected journalist, albeit with a conspiratorial edge.

He has many high-level contacts which feed him classified data. He's not regurgitating data collected form other articles. 90% of MSM comes from Reuters and AP which simple report off fact sheets given to them. Madsen can't cite a FEMA leak.

This event is clearly in the realm of 9/11 and other spooky calamities. I bet you if someone ran the 'numbers' there would be tons of shady connections....

Thank you everyone who has contributed.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:44 AM
reply to post by Z.S.P.V.G.

So much for the democrats being more "earth friendly" than the republicans. HA! Looks like Obama is doign as much covering up for this oil company as he was accusing the Bush administration of doing for others.

Oh, but it's for "our own good" to not cause a panic. Bull S&*#.

BP was Obama's #1 campaign contributor, and he allowed them to be "exempted" from a $500,000 piece of equipment that could have prevented a disaster like this. Why? Campaign contributions.

I never again want to hear that the democrats are more environmentally conscious than the republicans. They are all just as corrupt. The only difference between both parties is what they say on the surface. But beneath it all, they are all just the same.

If information is being withheld from us, that is ridiculous. What right do they have to withhold this info from us? By withholding info, they are preventing the world from coming together to figure out a REAL solution.

By withholding info, they are going to wait til the last minute and say "Oh, it's worse than we, anyone have any ideas?"

I am so sick of politics......I am so sick of politicians and politics screwing up our enitre world. I am so sick of it all.

The worst part about is that nobody around here seems concerned at all! I went to a Sierra Club meeting last week, to hopefully find some poeple to discuss this, and figure out how to help, and you know what they were talking about? Nothing environmental. They were all just shooting the breeze, talking about every day things. When I brought up the oil spill, nobody cared to discuss it. HELLO! This is the sierra club! I thought you guys CARED about the environment!

Ok....deep breath. I am just so angry about this entire incident, but I don't know if I'm angrier that it happened in the first place, angrier that it's being covered up, or angrier that nobody seems to care.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 09:49 AM
reply to post by NightGypsy

I know this was a vague statement. maybe a little dramatic too. I believe that eventually in the not to distant future the individual will rise and fall based not on their education/finances/intelligence/cunning but on their truth/goodness/love/courage. Events like OILGEDDON shock us into a new paradigm of awareness. This is the sliverlining. It's going to be really hard to see it through the ugliness, but it is there.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 10:20 AM
Galveston , Texas :

This is where I am currently a resident, and there are still Windstorm damaged homes and business's that have been totally ran out of town. The seafood industry is what supported the galveston Community alot the last year. They have/were tossing around the idea of putting in Casino's there to make the city come alive again. Well, now they have what they need if tey can direct this oil in the right direction.

ON A SIDE NOTE, I LOVE THE BEACH AND TAKE MY KIDS THERE OFTEN. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I NOTICED BLACK BLOBS WASHING UP ON SHORE, I PROBABLY SAW 20-30 in the few hours we were there. There has always been loose oil out in the gulf. Whenever you are doing this much drilling, its inevitable not to have some wash up. I wonder how much damage that has done on the ocean besides the major leaks like this one that they have had to report. Anyhow, keep you guys informed on what i see. And will try and get some pictures as well.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 10:45 AM
Yes, raw crude is hazardous to marine life. but you have to understand this crude has not been refined. it is natural and being such - mother nature will take care of it in time. (usually around 30 years or so) judging by the clean up's of the 1970's seem to have been successful when evaluated in 1999.
Exxon Valdez, is going to take longer ... its cold.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 10:48 AM
Does anyone else here think the failed NYC car bomb was a diversion from this? It has taken the media's focus off the spill and back to fear mongering. The timing of it just seems too good to be a coincidence, among other things the press briefing of that incicent just seemed fishy to me.

I am ready to be employed by the cleanup effort. I've been looking and the companies helping for the clean-up are flooded with applications so unless someone I know can get a hired it looks like I will have to wait and watch on the east coast.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:00 AM
If this whole thing happened purposely, there is no smaller punishment for the people responsible than ... well, as much im against it... a death penalty, to be carried out by a ravaging mob.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:38 AM

Originally posted by 3773MC
I know that everything I have heard I will not be stopping by any BP stations anytime soon. This whole thing is not right. Everyone seems to always point the finger at someone else. Why doesnt someone take accountability?

Maybe because the whole disaster was planned.
1) Halliburton forcefully buys Boots and Coots (the previous owners of the Horizon well) only 8 days before the event.
2) Boots and Coots files a lawsuit against Halliburton
3) Twenty hours before the event Halliburton was doing some cement work in the area that caused the disaster.
4) BP takes the full brunt of the media (EVEN THOUGH they were only leasing the rig and a totally different company was running it!)

Somebody somewhere is making a power play to raise oil prices, possibly break up competition (BP), and cause fear in the people. Typical...

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:53 AM
I dont give a crap about petrol prices going up. i just want this to be sealed, and cleaned.

They are really not doing enough to clean up the spill in the waters.

from a company that makes hundreds of billions of pounds a year. andall they have is few fishing boats out dragging it across the water.

Don't let, nature ge tin the way of profits.


posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Dynamitrios
If this whole thing happened purposely, there is no smaller punishment for the people responsible than ... well, as much im against it... a death penalty, to be carried out by a ravaging mob.

As much as I wanna star this I have complete faith that internet security is a sham. Every person on here is tracked by IP unless we've taken large steps to prevent it. I know you're not saying "Find them and kill them" just a touchy area for me I guess.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:59 AM

[edit on 7-5-2010 by HunkaHunka]

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:59 AM
reply to post by Deus_Brandon

I gew up around Galveston, and recall the large tarballs on the beach. We always had them, and never thought twice about them, and now I hear on CNN that they are finding them on beaches of Pascagula where they say theyve never seen them.... I'm just trying to figure out why they never seen them, but I grew up with them in Galveston during the late 70's and early 80's

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:05 PM
reply to post by Thermo Klein

I really dont care.

My full name is Dimitrios Kaitanidis, i live in Zagora, Greece, 36 years of age, height 1,77m. They can Come and get me, i dont want to hide myself and my opinions anymore from people, who should be afraid of ME.

If all this was a oil price raising scam, and its done by killing of the environment in which i live (yes gulfstream affects me as much as the states its flowing by), than this was an attack on myself and gives me every right of self defense.

These #ers should pray that i dont get them in my fingers, (i wouldnt kill though, just bitchslap them unconscious, throw them in the woods and let nature deal with them the way they dealt with her).

Dont hide damnit, come out of your holes and show some face, its our planet, and this HAS to stop.

If some CEO has signed for all this to happen he is responsible for everything that happens to people due to this event (poisoned food chain, birth defects, dead animals, etc.).

If someone "comes and gets me" i have won.
If i get someone who has done this, i have won.


[edit on 7-5-2010 by Dynamitrios]

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:12 PM

There is another major threat looming for inland towns and cities. With hurricane season in effect, there is a potential for ocean oil to be picked up by hurricane-driven rains and dropped into fresh water lakes and rivers, far from the ocean, thus adding to the pollution of water supplies and eco-systems.

Ok i dont live in US. . but if this happens OMG. . dont know what will happen. .it is a grave concern

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:19 PM
In 2006, there were some 6659 offshore oil rigs.. in the Gulf of Mexico alone. This is not some ploy to raise oil prices. The loss of this one rig won't make a dint in the huge oil production seen by many other companies as well.

They may well downplay the scope of the disaster though. That's what governments do.

As far as being "disgusted" with the disaster, I don't know why people would be. Unless you live in a cave... you are just as responsible for the use of oil as anyone else. Your car, motorcycle, lawnmower, your heat, among other things, all driven by oil. All the products of convenience you enjoy, all curtesy of oil ultimately. Factories don't run on steam you know.

With the thousands of oil rigs out there, even with all the safety measures these rigs have, accidents are going to happen. The ocean is a rough place to do business.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
I still have not hear one good god damn reason why they don't try to set off explosives down there to collapse this damn thing. I mean come one! One huge explosion pales in comparison as far as destruction of what will happen if this leak keeps spewing out oil. The greatest minds in the USA aka experts and they can't stop an oil leak in the ocean floor? Wow! Yet there is no cure for male pattern baldness yet either.

I feel the need to inform you that this deposit contains up to 40% Natural Gas. I don't think explosives is a viable option.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:25 PM
From day one the math has not added up
I did calculations based upon the pressure, and size of the hole here:

to hold back 30,000 psi on a 5 inch hole it would take about 300 tons placed IN that 5 inch pipe

now we have a 100 ton box, that is maybe 20' square,
it won't work. even with the suction pump from h...., too much surface area on the roof.
the reason no one sees a lot of oil is because there isn't that much oil, as compared to the high pressure gas. gas in the "funnel box" will make its bouyance even worse. and where is all the gas gonna go, vented, reclaimed, I don't know. but understand that a single cubic inch of gas at 30,000 psi will be about 2100 cu in at atmosphere

the math has been "sketchy at best" and getting more inconsistant as we go along

IMHO, the rig was destroyed by vapor buildup over it, and when it ignited, was like a vapor bomb. look at the pics of the rig while the fire was being fought. it splayed those uprights evenly. thats impact force, not softening from the fire. all the vapor came from methane, and methyl hydrates in the drill mud. they didn't vaporize until it hit the surface.

there could be a way to fix this. a pointed probe 30-50% larger od than the id of the pipe. ease it down to the well head, and hydraulicly "pile drive it" just far enough to close the hole. built like a concrete anchor so it can only go down then fill it with concrete (350 tons worth)

if BP, Halliburton, or homeland sec reads this and wants to use my idea, please contact me (U2U) as I am prepared to help, but ATS must get the credit....conspirecy site fixes

other than that prayer is a good option, too


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