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Why will there ever be Disclosure from TPTB?

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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Enough people on ATS seem to believe that Earth is visited by aliens frequently and that the government, or TPTB, have knowledge of this and are relunctant to tell the people. I don't exactly know where I stand. There is unexplained evidence that Earth is visited by aliens which can't be proven or disproven either way. Of course, there are the abduction stories and UFO sightings that make people "believe."

During my years on ATS, these abduction stories and UFO sightings always seem to increase. This leads to more and more people suggesting that Disclosure is on its way. Such as this ATS article or this one.

This thread isn't necessarily about whether or not aliens exist or whether they visit us (since both topics have been discussed exstensively on ATS). Rather this thread is about WHY Disclosure is coming.

Think about it. If TPTB know that aliens visit us and have been hiding it for decades, why would they give the sheeple disclosure. What do they have to gain from doing so? What do the people gain from disclosure? Of course, the most important question is what do TPTB have to gain because their gain is always most important to them and they could care less about what the people have to gain.

Lately, there have been some big names talk about UFOs. Just from the threads on ATS that have come up recently, names of high end officials(story of the Russian Official and the former Canadian Defence Minister) and scientists (Stephen Hawking) have talked about disclosure and how humans should treat alien contact. And on every single thread discussing aliens, not just these but also the "I was abducted threads", members always jump for joy and yell "Disclosure is coming/is imminent!!"

Now WHY is it coming or is it imminent? There have been these kind of stories for decades. I know the number 1 answer will be, "because its become too big a story to contain." To that I say, great. But they've never been able to contain it, since there are always these leaks which people are constantly reporting (UFOs and the like). Therefore nothing's changed and to say it is imminent is kind of like constantly saying it for the sake of getting right if it ever does happen.

On top of this, TPTB have nothing to gain from this. If anything, what ever they gain from this will not benefit YOU! This is because if they ever do disclose aliens on Earth, they will do so just to instilll fear in the masses to have even more power over them. When you see the alien stories in the MSM, it is almost always a story filled with fear. Even the way Stephen Hawking's comments were reported were meant to instill a fear of extraterrestrials.

Again, if disclosure ever comes, how are we to know that TPTB aren't just "disclosing" for the sake of instilling fear whereas there really isn't anything to disclose. In other words, they make up something to disclose in order to better control the sheeple. I'm sure enough members of ATS will jump fo joy when the ever-truthful government gives the people something it wants in disclosure. Then we'll see threads about how well government treats us since they did us this one favour, whether or not the disclosure is real or not.


So think about it ATS. Why would TPTB ever decide that disclosure is necessary? As the common addage goes, "Information is Power." Why would they want to give away any of their power?

I do realize I'm probably going to get flamed for this. I don't know whether or not disclosure would be a good thing. But WHY would there be disclosure? Hopefully this thread stays on topic.






posted on May, 6 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by Portugoal

So think about it ATS. Why would TPTB ever decide that disclosure is necessary? As the common addage goes, "Information is Power." Why would they want to give away any of their power?

I do realize I'm probably going to get flamed for this. I don't know whether or not disclosure would be a good thing. But WHY would there be disclosure? Hopefully this thread stays on topic.




So that TPTB can stay in power! Disclosure is going to happen regardless of whether TPTB sanctions it or not, the only hope they have of staying in power and possibly avoiding the hangman's noose is to author the disclosure.

The cat is nearly all the waay out of the bag, and once it is loose there will be little to no control. The people of Earth will demand answers from governments, and will get them by whatever means necessary. So I reiterate; so they can stay in power. Disclosure is their only hope.

As i said, disclosure is going to happen anyway, either by government or a "wildcard" alien. Time is short ...

Etharzi od Oma



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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I don't think the government will ever lie but leaves avoiding the truth
or the telling of lies to other people.

Also once success is achieved then the status quo is forever.
Soon the whole idea there is something missing from our lives
will be missing.

So I'd say telling anything is way down on the events and more
and more distractions are up for opportunity for Illuminati funding.
If funding for both sides is on the table then that should continue.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Portugoal

So think about it ATS. Why would TPTB ever decide that disclosure is necessary? As the common addage goes, "Information is Power." Why would they want to give away any of their power?



By the people for the people.

Our Government will become more evil over time by continuing to cover it up. A liar is a coward, no one will respect the government if they continue to cover it up, with the idea constantly shoved down our throats for the past 50 years. More and more people are believers each day. If the government keeps jerking it's people around it is no longer a democracy. If the cover up continues, with the way things are evolving, talk about Disclosure will be as common as Education, Health Care, and the Economy. People will freak out with the thought of our Government lying to us about visiting ET's, who for obvious reasons are non threatening, and so far have nothing to offer us, but other than a technology/study exchange. Amazing.

Honestly if they continue to cover it up and go at such lengths to prosecute people for their beliefs, then they are taking away our rights.

Also think about if one day it becomes house-hold knowledge how ET technology works, and the US Government continues to cover it up, then what? The people won't respect the government at all.

The government will be forced to disclose.

And guess what? In my house I can turn on the TV or go on the Internet and listen to endless theories on faster than light travel, anti gravity, worm holes, and time travel.

Ha. Should be soon. Or we will have more garbage news and movies and media to try and attempt to dumb down America.

Good Luck.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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"Why will there ever be Disclosure from TPTB?"

Probably because of Contact and mass landings. Of course, being an optimist, I continue to help promote the idea that TPTB will disclose prior to contact, but really...I kind of think it'll be the other way around at this point. We're getting too close to the point of no return in terms of disclosing. If we don't do it soon, it'll take something else to force it I reckon.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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Because there will be more and more leaks during the years.. and the TPTB won't be able to keep the control over this. So, they stay in power and to gain people's trust they will disclose.

That's what I think



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
so they can stay in power. Disclosure is their only hope.


TPTB are already firmly in power. They have been for centuries and over this time they have been shaping and spinning what the sheeple are exposed to. The way the world is running now, this trend is continuing and on top of that, TPTB are unaccountable in their actions. They run it how they want, and do thing when they want, to their own benefit first and foremost.

Really, who are TPTB? I bet you wouldn't be able to give me a definitive answer. They have power and since the masses do not question their power/money/influence, this power will go unchecked.


Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I don't think the government will ever lie but leaves avoiding the truth
or the telling of lies to other people.

Also once success is achieved then the status quo is forever.
Soon the whole idea there is something missing from our lives
will be missing.

So I'd say telling anything is way down on the events and more
and more distractions are up for opportunity for Illuminati funding.
If funding for both sides is on the table then that should continue.


Exactly. TPTB have so much more to exploit the sheeple for without disclosure. Imagine if there was disclosure. Major exploitation based on the fear of the masses.


Originally posted by game over man

By the people for the people.

Our Government will become more evil over time by continuing to cover it up. A liar is a coward, no one will respect the government if they continue to cover it up, with the idea constantly shoved down our throats for the past 50 years. More and more people are believers each day. If the government keeps jerking it's people around it is no longer a democracy. If the cover up continues, with the way things are evolving, talk about Disclosure will be as common as Education, Health Care, and the Economy. People will freak out with the thought of our Government lying to us about visiting ET's, who for obvious reasons are non threatening, and so far have nothing to offer us, but other than a technology/study exchange. Amazing.

Honestly if they continue to cover it up and go at such lengths to prosecute people for their beliefs, then they are taking away our rights.

Also think about if one day it becomes house-hold knowledge how ET technology works, and the US Government continues to cover it up, then what? The people won't respect the government at all.

The government will be forced to disclose.



Honestly, this isn't even an argument. The government does NOT need the respect of the people. Today, governments worldwide have lost the respect of their peoples. They're still in power.

And you're right. There are major problems like economy, housing, healthcare, etc. etc. just in the USA alone. Evidently, there are enough problems for TPTB to exploit at the moment. And these problems always exist. Therefore, TPTB have a continuous supply of things to control the people.


Originally posted by DigitalSentinal
"Why will there ever be Disclosure from TPTB?"

Probably because of Contact and mass landings.


Alright. That's something that would be apart from the original question. Apparently there has already been contact (SEE the 321049 different "I was abducted last Saturday at the laundr-o-mat" threads on ATS alone). As for mass landings, if TPTB really feared this was coming, would they not just use disclosure as a fear tactic by saying, "Aliens are coming to live amongst us!" People are already worried about illegal aliens who are human. Imagine ETs!


Originally posted by jolois
Because there will be more and more leaks during the years.. and the TPTB won't be able to keep the control over this. So, they stay in power and to gain people's trust they will disclose.

That's what I think


I wrote this in the middle of the OP:
Now WHY is it coming or is it imminent? There have been these kind of stories for decades. I know the number 1 answer will be, "because its become too big a story to contain." To that I say, great. But they've never been able to contain it, since there are always these leaks which people are constantly reporting (UFOs and the like). Therefore nothing's changed and to say it is imminent is kind of like constantly saying it for the sake of getting right if it ever does happen.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Portugoal


Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
so they can stay in power. Disclosure is their only hope.


TPTB are already firmly in power. They have been for centuries and over this time they have been shaping and spinning what the sheeple are exposed to. The way the world is running now, this trend is continuing and on top of that, TPTB are unaccountable in their actions. They run it how they want, and do thing when they want, to their own benefit first and foremost.

Really, who are TPTB? I bet you wouldn't be able to give me a definitive answer. They have power and since the masses do not question their power/money/influence, this power will go unchecked.


Yes, that is the way it is now. However, if they anger the "sheeple" things could change. It is very doubtful that 6 million could stand before 6 billion angery people. The numbers do not support them staying in power if they take a mis-step. Disclosure is they're only real option.

[And this does not take into account the 0.1% of people who know how to take TPTB down without much of a fight].

By the way ... TPTB are the original gods of ancient summer, who have reincarnated over the centuries and remained in the top power positions, and of course, their lackys.

I strongly feel that a wildcard disclosure would empower the prople of Earth and change quite alot.

Etharzi od Oma.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by game over man

By the people for the people.

Our Government will become more evil over time by continuing to cover it up. A liar is a coward, no one will respect the government if they continue to cover it up, with the idea constantly shoved down our throats for the past 50 years. More and more people are believers each day. If the government keeps jerking it's people around it is no longer a democracy. If the cover up continues, with the way things are evolving, talk about Disclosure will be as common as Education, Health Care, and the Economy. People will freak out with the thought of our Government lying to us about visiting ET's, who for obvious reasons are non threatening, and so far have nothing to offer us, but other than a technology/study exchange. Amazing.

Honestly if they continue to cover it up and go at such lengths to prosecute people for their beliefs, then they are taking away our rights.

Also think about if one day it becomes house-hold knowledge how ET technology works, and the US Government continues to cover it up, then what? The people won't respect the government at all.

The government will be forced to disclose.




Originally posted by Portugoal
Honestly, this isn't even an argument. The government does NOT need the respect of the people. Today, governments worldwide have lost the respect of their peoples. They're still in power.

And you're right. There are major problems like economy, housing, healthcare, etc. etc. just in the USA alone. Evidently, there are enough problems for TPTB to exploit at the moment. And these problems always exist. Therefore, TPTB have a continuous supply of things to control the people.



Yes but everyday a person might be reminded of the cover up, and slowly society will "decay" and over time, and we will be a completely different society suppressed from ET technology.

How does someone react when something is dangling in front of their face, and they really want it, but can never grasp it?

How would that person feel after a long time of not being able to grasp what is right in front of you?

There are too many people on the planet to brainwash. I think whistle-blowers will cause absolute hell in the years to come, doors will swing wide open....nevermind this thought.

You want to talk about the movie District 9. TBTB would be segregating us from ET's. That is wrong. We should have the right to know.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by game over man]



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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I think that they are working on it. If you have noticed a lot more UFO/alien videos and movies have been coming out lately. I think they are trying to desensitize us more before this happens because they know people will lose their freaking minds. Give it I say another 20 years or so.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 08:37 AM
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I think there are probably things that on a human-level that people would get angrier about than whether or not the government wants to give you disclosure.

I find it interesting that when talking about disclosure, people seem to get so much more optimistic about government (they do it for the people) and there is so much hope in what they may do for you. Pretty much, they can dangle the carrot in front of you, which is what they're doing, and keep you following for the entire ride: so long as they have some people believing disclosure is imminent.

A lot of you are saying there will be disclosure because they owe it to the people, or the 6 billion people demand it. Firstly, they already act like they owe nothing to the people, only themselves. Secondly, 6 billion people don't think disclosure is a hot-button issue. Only a fraction do.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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I think we know the secrets they will have to disclose.
But that would make a lot of anti Tesla agents jobless.
So far its Death, Taxes and Tesla suppression thats a certainty.

ED:
William Lyne's Letter to President Barak Obama, July 27, 2009

Alright then.
But no mention of Tesla.
Why not.


[edit on 5/11/2010 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by jolois
Because there will be more and more leaks during the years.. and the TPTB won't be able to keep the control over this. So, they stay in power and to gain people's trust they will disclose.

That's what I think


The whole thing is leaking like a sieve right now, if we are to believe people like Greer



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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This might develop into a disclosure...

"New Prime Minister Cameron Guaranteed disclosure in 2009 - if he became Prime Minister"
www.abovetopsecret.com...&flagit=570508




posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:19 AM
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Thanks for sharing the great info



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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This is exactly what my son decided to do his research paper on for an English class...His thesis is on Why US disclosure is eminent...and then using supporting topics like, media saturation and desensitization of the alien topic, breakdown of the US government lies and cover-up, and pressure from other countries that are already releasing files (Brazil, France, Argentina, etc...)...


I had asked for ideas for him here...www.abovetopsecret.com...

He's probably already seen this thread, but he is way too intimidated by the crowd here to post anything himself...........



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Well he can't have a straw-man argument. If he wants a good mark he should be able to refute every single one of my points.

The release of files from other countries doesn't mean much. All those say is, "we saw this and we don't know what it was." America could to do this same. Could it be desensitising for disclosure? Sure. But again. There's no reason why there would ever be disclosure in the first place.



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