Originally posted by UberL33t
In the news you hear of these CP rings that get infiltrated and the accused has their computer confiscated and some times thousands of forms of
pedophilia type of media was said to be found.
I just want to stop you there to relate two personal experiences. I have a friend I have known since I was a kid who is a gay man. When I was younger,
he was having a relationship with a mutual friend who was 16. I knew first hand from both of them that this was a consentual relationship, however it
did violate the age of consent law. They were busted by the 16 year old's sister one day. He was so afraid of what his mom would say that he just
said that he did not know what was happening and must have been taken advantage of. Next thing you know, the whole family wanted the blood of this
child molestor that turned their little boy gay. Fine fine, whatever.
Now, my gay friend LOVED his VCR to the point of sickness. He bought blank tapes like a drug addict. He had every episode of "The Kids in the Hall"
"Get a Life" stupid crap like that. He taped EVERY movie HBO aired and just about anything on the Discovery channel. He had a total of 5 porno
movies. I mean I really know this guy and really knew him then. The only way to have known him better would have been had I been gay myself so I am
not just relating what I was told.
So when the police came to arrest him, they photographed his entire house. This included book cases full of VHS tapes. The tapes were actually marked
exactly what they were and putting them into the VCR would prove it. What went into the report and was stated in court and then repeated by the family
for years? "He had a library of thousands of videos of pornography."
See, they did not even check what was on those tapes. I never would have even gotten into "The X-Files" if it had not been for him taping it for me.
So when I see claims of thousands of pictures, I have to wonder how many of those pictures were actually child pornography.
On the other hand...
I was fishing for free textures just to screw around with my 3D programs a few years ago. I was relating to a friend of mine how annoying it was to
click this, then that, then save as, then go back and do the next. He told me that he uses a program called Medusa to download mass porn. I checked it
out and it was great. You put in a URL and it downloads any image file it finds and it searches links and subdomains. In minutes I had over 5000
images and now I could not even find what I was looking for. He uses this to download porn.
Basically, what I am saying is that while some people might have thousands of images of kiddy porn and that is still a very very bad thing, I do not
believe that these reports always accuratly portray the reality of the situation but play to the most sensational and feear inducing hype instead.
They most certainly network, for fear of being caught they aren't just going to put their media out in the open. They are going to use forums,
IRC chat, and many other forms of underground file sharing mediums.
Logically, they would seemingly need to use some form of symbolism in order to network their media to people with the same interests as to avoid
unwanted exposure. Just my opinion of course, but symbolism and this subject would seem to go hand in hand as there are plenty of accounts of whole
rings being broken up.
That makes perfect sense, minus the necklace and stamped coin deal but I am with you here. My only issue is that you have a point. We hear about rings
being broken up. Do we ever hear that they found each other through the use of identifying symbology? I have not. Have you? Outside this thread that
is. I am not saying I know it is not that way, just that with all the other logic going on in this thread...I am not so sure. I know that they do use
common phrases to identify each other and that makes more sense to me on the internet. I have to assume that many of these people are suspicious of
others and try to keep secret. In that, using image files as an introduction seems contrary. That is just me though. The internet is heavily text
based and when it comes to secrecy, codes like "Loli" and "kinder" seem to be working just fine for them.
Going to the trouble to find a way to attatch an image file to your every presence on the internet would be troublesome and completely leave you out
of most file sharing networks as they only offer a place for a name and comments.
Just my two cents on that though so don't take me as pretending to know for a fact as the OP has.
In reference to the humor, though I personally would never make light of this subject I can completely understand why one would who had been
affected by it.
post by dalan.
My sister and I are very close. We have had very long discussions about these things. I admire my sister very much, because instead of keeping up the
identity of a "victim" she was able to learn from her experiences. Likewise, I have always done everything that I can for her in regards to
lightening her mood. I have tried to help her to find humor in our experiences of life. I personally find that laughter really is the best medicine,
and we are giving power to our attackers when we allow ourselves to mentally remain as victims.
I find humor in a great deal that would be considered unorthodox to other people. Without going into detail, I can't empathize in regards to
your situation as I have never experienced such. However, based on your anecdote, I can completely understand why you'd choose laughter as the coping
mechanism. For that I commend you and your sisters strength. Many victims are known to take a much more unhealthy path.
I am guessing that is directed at Dalan and not me so I will refrain but my favorite humor is usually the most ironic. Unfortunately in our society
that relies heavily on going against social mores. I am not saying that makes it right but it sure makes it hard for me to see anything but humor in
Dalan's first post in this thread. I thought it was the first real touch of humanity and reality introduced and made me laugh. The way I see it, if
you cannot empathize, then you cannot condemn the way he deals with it.
We in the US seem to have a penchant for getting upset for victims whether they need it, like it, or want it themselves.
To wrap it up just a few more points I wanted to hit on. First the one true post that offered an alternative means to determine a pedophile
What amazes me is that it took getting to page 14 of this thread before anyone posted alternative pedophile recognition information apart from what
was presented in the OP in reference to being aware of sexual predators in ones general vicinity.
post by ahrcanum
A quick search from Family Watchdog is Free and does not require your email to use it www.familywatchdog.us... It shows registered
offenders by zip code.
post by K J Gunderson
Yet another detrimental post! People like you are not much better than any other petty thieves. My 19 year old brother is on that list.
and you are advocating his death because you think that will save a child?
This isn't ahrcanum's fault that offenders and predators are grouped into one category. It's the judicial system. Although I don't share the
"kill them all" mentality that ahrcanum does. Have you ever thought to write your State Rep and voice your view on the way these sites are managed?
Griping about it in a forum thread doesn't do much for making your voice heard to the ones that can change it.
I did not blame him for putting people on a list, I called him out for advocating their death. That is entirely him.
As to your response, sure. I actually worked with a group of sex offenders for a while and this kind of why I have the feelings I do. Unfortunately,
the state reps are more than happy to tell you that just because people do not know what "sex offender" really means is just too damn bad. No one is
going to take a public stand AGAINST the registry. It is that simple. There are people on that list for pissing in a park. They are sex offenders
because they exposed themselves in public and someone saw it. I can buy that just fine. My problem is people like arhcanum that believe "sex
offender" automatically means child molester. That is the commen think these days. If you are on that list, you must be a child molester.
Unfortunately, the reality is that it is a big list that ecompass a great many different types of crimes and people like him that run around shouting
"Kill them" unfortunately find people who will listen.
It seems your reply actually ended up shifting from me to other people so I am sorry if I stepped on any answer I should not have. I was trying my
best to respond to what seemed like a thoughtful post.