reply to post by K J Gunderson
Okay I did as you requested and read every page of the thread...I just hope you give me the same respect and read my whole post
...so here we
First and Foremost:
My sincere apology for not completely reading the thread in it's entirety when I made
. I'll be the first to admit, BAD FORM on my part!
However, I did in fact read the thread in it's entirety in it's infancy. I saw what the OP presented, read the few replies and decided not to post
an opinion because at the time it seemingly wasn't something that I felt like sharing my views on. I more had the internal thought of "hmm good for
the OP for making people aware of stuff like that".
Seemingly the images stuck in my head and when I happened across dalan.'s post in another thread I said to myself "heyyyy, that was that pedophile
bear thingy in that one symbols thread" So I headed back to this thread not even aware dalan. was a contributor (my presumptuous mistake).
I thought I had just inadvertently stumbled upon a pedophile in the midst of ATS. Mind you this was sometime after I originally read the OP's thread.
Just know, my intentions were merely to make ATS aware that there was a possible child predator in their midst and I still was on the fence but felt
better safe than sorry. At worst I'd get foe'd.
Based on these post:
post by dalan.
Hey, thanks for the heads up.
I will be sure to keep a look out for anyone using these symbols, and I will be sure to jump-to-conclusions about their sexual conduct.
post by badw0lf
"Hey that man is wearing a ring that looks similar to what I saw on ATS.. Good thing I saw that thread,
post by fallow the light
Now my point is that fear has now been created towards these symbols and every time anyone who has seen the OP's info, sees these symbols, (no matter
under any context) will only see it as a pedophiliac symbol. Now u can blame it on the pedos, you can blame it on the police, you can blame it on the
OP but I would blame it on ignorance.
Ironic as it is that dalan. was one of the first posters who posted this sort of reply. Because I did pretty much everything mentioned, so that
solidifies the argument in the thread that threads such as these can invoke a witch hunt
-esque style mentality towards a subject that is this
controversial. While I'll agree my ignorance played a role (lesson learned), I don't think my post even remotely resembles a "witch hunt", there
is however validity that information, when not properly researched and/or presented can prompt certain actions by someone presuming it's "good"
Now as far as the OP's intent, and the claims that this is just a fabrication from some half-cocked comedians to get a rise out of the responders. I
can't really comment on this as I don't know the OP from Adam and any speculation throughout the thread as such is just that, speculation. As far as
his creditability on ATS is concerned and his alleged affiliation with this "chan" group, I don't feel I am qualified to suggest one way or another
because I don't know him.
post by K J Gunderson
I would not care as much but I hate to see people who lie on purpose. It is one thing if a thread like this pops up because someone is uninformed,
that happens. Since I know the OP is a willfull liar, I just find it that much more interesting somehow.
post by K J Gunderson
You start threads just to spread lies and this one is just plain sick. What this does is provide everyone with a fake target and a fake enemy to be
distrracted by which only gives real criminals more of a chance to do what they do.
What was his intent or gain to lie about this? Laughs? He has been on ATS for a bit according to his Registered: date. I have only seen this person in
passing on other threads so the fact that you claim he is a "willfull liar" based on other threads is not for me to speculate and I will go no
further discussing that allegation. Please don't direct me to these either as I feel it is neither here nor there in regards to the OP. I will say
this, Mods are the one's who determine HOAX!'s, if he was found to be a fraud he would have been banned by now. That should tell you something about
any previous cases that you have presented based on his credibility.
The fact of the matter is that attention is being brought to a major problem that has and does persist in society and the following quotes are ones
that I mirror in regards to this subject and being aware:
post by fizzy1
Being aware of your childs actions and the people the have in their lives is more important. Watching your children for changes in behaviour is
probobly the most important thing to do. Stay involved in your childs life and know where they are and who they are with. Too many people just tune
out of their kids lives and their children get tempted and lured into situations that only later you find out about and try to deal with after the
fact. This can be anything from drugs to sex to child predators.
Seriously i know people have but the best intentions when trying to get the word out and find a way to stop pedophiles. I am definetly NOT trying to
crush anyones enthusiasm for that. But it has to be done correctly and in the proper way with the proper authorities lest we inadvertantly harm
someone who is innocent and not deserving of justice. I wouldnt want the blood of an inocent man on my hands because i did the wrong thing thinking it
was for the right reasons.
post by UnmitigatedDisaster
Proper parenting involving being aware of her activities as she grows, meeting her friends and friends parents, and giving her the tools and
confidence she needs to deal with situations, and a healthy dose of suspicion is better than trying to sneak a peak at everyone's jewelry.
post by brilab45
We should teach children early on about the facts of life. They will discover on their own anyways. Think about it. When you were in 5th or 6th
grade......you knew about sex before you taught anything. C'mon really.
Not to mention alternatives to being made aware of said pedophiles, which I found didn't come until around page 14 of the thread, more on that
Now in regards to the symbolism aspect, I referenced the following posts:
post by ignorant_ape
the ` social dynamic ` of peadophiles / peadiophilia is totally underground , illegal and universally despised
post by eMachine
While I doubt most pedophiles would use any sort of visual identifiers, I suppose in the internet age there may be a small 'community' of those who
I think if there were any symbolism involved it would be strictly limited to the internet. As others mentioned these people are private and aren't
going to draw any unnecessary attention to themselves with blatant symbols. However, on the internet, this is a whole different world. CONTINUED>>>
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