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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


I think this is what you had in mind,your link
didn't work.

article.wn.com...




posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Hi misterscratch I too live in Florida central area so we are in the middle of everything, but with Gods blessing my neighborhood has been saved time and time again with little power problems. Of course I am assuming you live in Florida. But yes I have seen the shelves empty and run on the stores for water and food; the time to prepare is before the event happens not during its occurrence.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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I know what you mean!
I have been stocking up on supplies for quite some time now.
I have learned to shoot and I'm learning to shoot with either hand.
It is difficult when your family doesn't all agree with your visions
of our future.
My daughter-in-law has her head buried in the sand.She is in
complete denial that things could get bad and quickly so.My
husband is slowly waking up and seeing for himself what is going on.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Thank you mamabeth the link you provided works great. My thought for survival will be at sea, away from the riots and the possible round ups by the government, on the water with a desalinization unit for fresh water, and fishing for food you can survive for an indefinite amount of time, besides weather the only other problem to face on the water would be from the pirates. But even with those I feel the chance for survival will be greater on the water then on any land or inside any structure.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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Mamabeth, we are in the same boat, my family even my wife thinks I am exaggerating and it’s not going to be as bad as I might think, but she supports me fully in preparing for the worst but hope for the best. I have been shooting since I was nine years old, and all I will add to that is I think it is great you are training yourself in the use of weapons, I have a nice supply to keep any would be pirates at bay on the ocean. I just hope my wife allows us enough time to get out to sea, because she will wait till the last min, myself I am ready to sell my house and everything other than supplies get on a boat and start setting up all my needs for a long stay on the water, stay dockside for now keep working and gathering so when the SHTF all I have to do is toss off the lines and I am out of here.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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you may all be dieing but i dont need gas or jobs or money or 5 dollar gallons a milk for me to be happy. I think the only thing that is dieing is that you cant have everything you want whenever you want it and some people are scared to do without. You dont need wallstreet telling you anything. Who are they to tell you your america is dieing? Ive been without a job or a dollar to my name in six months. I eat sleep drink smoke and do whatever the hell I want. If gas is 10$ a gallon I just wont buy it, and guess what? neither will anyone else, and guess what, they wont sell any damn gas, and guess what else, It wont affect me at all.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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You are wanting to sell your house.
My daughter-in-law wants to buy one,now!
I have been having to gather up the
supplies on my own.I don't have a clue
on how many people I am expected to buy
food for.I had to start hiding my stash from
my husband because he would give it all
away.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Wow you must be rich, no job for six months living off of the government with unemployment I assume and food stamps or have a spouse that is working and able to make all the bills on there salary, and if your not working why would you need to buy gas, after all this is the exact problem with Socialism the government gives you everything so instead of going out and find a job, you sit at home play on the computer smoke drink all on my dollar, that’s the problem with this generation of free loaders, they suffer not and they do not care because they live off of Obama money. Or maybe there just isn’t a job in your field and you use to make 100k a year so now it’s below you to take a job at wal mart or burger king, but at some point unemployment will stop and with the cost of food more and more people will apply for stamps and there is only so much to go around. So yes I can see how it will not affect you, but it sure does affect my wallet supporting a lazy person.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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Im not on unemployment, But even if I was none of the money is yours. To receive unemployment you have to pay into it while you were working. And you usually only get back the money you paid into it. So tell me again how it affects you at all? There will always be goods or services for exchange or for sale. You dont need to work at all to have a good life. Thats the illusion thats always been right in front of your eyes.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Well that’s a hard one to calculate for you mamabeth, first how many people in your house hold that you are going to try and save, and what means of survival are you going for, land or sea, land is harder to stock up for, hunting for food competing with all others taking the same path, I have a family of 5, myself and my wife along with our three young children. MRE are a little pricey but if you can afford them it’s the way to go, if water is a concern on land or sea, buy lots of gum, yes chewing gum it will help salivation and can keep you hydrated. Land would be can goods but don’t forget the can opener manual of course, sea again a little easier fresh protein from the sea, seaweed for salad greens a good source of a balanced nutrition, problem is fuel supply to run the boat, generator and to cook the food. If you like sushi, then cooking isn’t to much of a problem plus you have plenty of shell fish that can be eaten raw, clams, muscles oysters are good raw, crab and lobster needs to be cooked, but I guess it could be eaten raw. All fish if you what your catching is eatable raw. On land provide they do not contaminate the main system you should be able to get water from some how even without electricity but more reliable would be a fresh water stream, good for water and fishing. At min I would recommend a three month supply of goods, but keep them as light as possible because most likely all roads will be closed to over run of traffic and you will be carrying on your back all needed supplies, I would also invest in army style boots and clothing from any army navy store, they are made for the elements plus gives you the advantage of camouflage as others you encounter will try and take your goods from you. Travel light learn to live off the land or sea, educate yourself in both attend a survivor weekend for good lessons and a supply recommended supply list. The more you learn the better off your survival will become.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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Yes you pay into unemployment, the truth be told look at how much you put in and your employer puts in so much as well, if you worked for 5 years and went on unemployment you will receive every dime you paid into with your first check do the math. And yes goods and service I agree with you, I am sorry if I made the wrong assumption about you, but that was what I perceived by your post, but none the less the leaches of society are the ones that support big government and do not understand and honest days pay or trade for and honest days work.
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All entitlement programs, social security, health care, food stamps section eight, unemployment are all government be it fed or local and were do you think that money comes from? Taxes period, the people who get a check at the end of the year do to tax credits because there earnings are at a specific amount so they receive a specific amount, that money they receive comes from those whom make more and pay taxes, and this is your share the wealth attitude we have in this country, it is unsustainable period


[edit on 6-5-2010 by drmeola]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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You, along w/ several others, apparently, should send some royalties to this guy:





Best,
SN



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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That was so funny,I had to give you a star!
We do need some humor here once in awhile!
I'm still buying ammo!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by misterscratch
Japanese admiral Yamamoto is quoted as saying the following of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor:

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

I believe that the US Govt is well aware of the lesson that lies within that quotation. The American working class is like a caged lion. As long as conditions are relatively stable and most are offered the opportunity to pursue their own interests and liberties they will continue, in large part, to ignore the shell games played by the government and by corporate America.

The Obama administration appears to be a test to see how much the American public will put up with.

If pushed too far there will be a revolution.

WE are the sleeping giant. THEY know it. WE need to remember it.


Back then (WWII) I agree that this quote is accurate. Today, I disagree. Most American's are so placated, so sleepy, so "non-caring" that there is no turning back. The NWO will be put into place and I fear that we'll see a millennium of a new dark age. And people will be happy getting their "stuff" for free.

Go talk to the average American about politics, policy, etc, etc. Most of them are just parroting what they or their friends heard on the MSM. It is very very rare you hear someone with an original idea.

I'll prove my point, when the November elections roll around, everyone will still be voting for R's or D's. No L's or I's (unless they are incumbents) will get elected. The sheep have and are still falling for the false left-right paradigm and don't realize that they are both different sides of the same coin. The MSM will continue to run divisive stories and the people won't realize that they are setting us up against one another and using it to keep us busy and enslaved.

IF the PTB decide to start "shutting" stuff off, most people don't know how to take care of themselves (e.g. farming, hunting, fishing, basic survival skills).

[edit on 5/6/2010 by Finalized]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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You talk about a true statement!
Sad but true...
A lot of people are forgetting how to cook.We have
a society that has grown accustomed to carry-out
and microwave!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Finalized
Back then (WWII) I agree that this quote is accurate. Today, I disagree. Most American's are so placated, so sleepy, so "non-caring" that there is no turning back. The NWO will be put into place and I fear that we'll see a millennium of a new dark age. And people will be happy getting their "stuff" for free.


Wouldn't you agree that if there is a N.W.O. it has been in place and influencing change behind the scenes for eras?

Also, what do you think the motivation for an NWO type organization would be? Since farm animal comparisons seem to be the norm, I would liken what most current theories suggest to a farmer feeding his cows and sheep until they die naturally and then simply burying them. If greed and domination is their motivation then wouldn't they want 'us' working and making them a profit over becoming a burden to them and having to feed 'us'? There needs to be a middle class to foot the bill. The rich and powerful don't want to feed the poor. They want the middle class to continue to enrich them and to carry the burden for the poor. The middle class aren't sheep. Donkey would be a more appropriate moniker.


Originally posted by Finalized
The sheep have and are still falling for the false left-right paradigm and don't realize that they are both different sides of the same coin. The MSM will continue to run divisive stories and the people won't realize that they are setting us up against one another and using it to keep us busy and enslaved.

I do agree that R vs D is a false dichotomy. I think anyone who would effect real change would never be allowed on the ballot. I think they (our electable candidates) are pre-screened to play ball (ask Ron Paul).



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by misterscratch

Originally posted by Finalized
Back then (WWII) I agree that this quote is accurate. Today, I disagree. Most American's are so placated, so sleepy, so "non-caring" that there is no turning back. The NWO will be put into place and I fear that we'll see a millennium of a new dark age. And people will be happy getting their "stuff" for free.


Wouldn't you agree that if there is a N.W.O. it has been in place and influencing change behind the scenes for eras?

Also, what do you think the motivation for an NWO type organization would be? Since farm animal comparisons seem to be the norm, I would liken what most current theories suggest to a farmer feeding his cows and sheep until they die naturally and then simply burying them. If greed and domination is their motivation then wouldn't they want 'us' working and making them a profit over becoming a burden to them and having to feed 'us'? There needs to be a middle class to foot the bill. The rich and powerful don't want to feed the poor. They want the middle class to continue to enrich them and to carry the burden for the poor. The middle class aren't sheep. Donkey would be a more appropriate moniker.


I do agree if the NWO is around, it has been for centuries (in one form or fashion). I just think it has become more insidious (although, the Spanish Inquisition was pretty bad). It's more like a pendulum I bet, at one point in time, wanting to maximize profit and when sated, maximizing power, I think we are on the power swing now.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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Today, I disagree. Most American's are so placated, so sleepy, so "non-caring" that there is no turning back.


Just like "back then". Before telephones. Before the internet. Before the fax machine or the printing press.

Government has always gone to great lengths to keep its citizens in the dark on everything possible.

America is no exception....and they're not alone.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Then let it die.

No love lost IMO.

Why do I say that? Because America has become what the govt./ wall street has wanted it to become. America has become a shell of it's former self. When the rest of the world looks at America and forms an opinion, they form it based on what they see politicians and bankers do.

Why do you think the rest of the world either hates, feels sorry for, or laughs, at us? Because of what our "leaders' do. Not because of what we the people do. We do not represent our own country anymore. Our founding fathers are crying in heaven right now. We are as much to blame for our own downfall, if there is one coming, as anyone else.



Peace




posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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I agree with you then let it die, but only the government and maybe the land we currently sit on, but America the dream will never die. We can carry our Constitution with us any were we may travel and as long as we abide by that document in the place no matter how small of an area or how large of an area we settle in, it will be known as America. I have often spoken of a time of a spilt in America, the north from the south, not a civil war action but a way of life issue were the south will live by the Constitution and the north will live as they are today with crime inc in charge. Two presidents ruling over one war body so that the north can not declare battle without the south and vice versa. Each with a small congress and a small senate, and the senate doing the job it was put in place to do, and that is to police the congress so they stay within Constitution boundaries. The war machine aspect will be located in a central area, under the command of both north and south divisions. All things national debt wise will be shared and nothing can be passed that will affect that debt without passage from both north and south. This is the only solution I can come up with as the country currently stands divided. We will join again as one nation under God, when all parties start following the Constitution and those that do not will be prosecuted quickly and no more of this crime Inc attitude period. I also believe we need term limits for all positions in government just like the president has term limits. And there are many benefit to this the main one would be no more controlling the newly elected members. And those members will be free to do the right thing according to there area they represent.

Any way those are just some of my idea’s to help fix this over size out of control government.



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