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Most alien believers need to use rational and critical thinking..:D

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 06:57 PM
reply to post by tauempire
Just because i have been concentrating on a single variety of alien does not mean they are the only type i know. Those of us who have photographed our alien encounters are not crazy. Those who look at those photos and claim there is nothing there are either blind, colorblind or in denial. This is not a giant yellow teddy bear standing next to me. I really like exposing ignorance when it stands up and demands recognition.

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 08:27 PM
reply to post by kerazeesicko

So what you are saying is (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that you believe in the possibility of alien life, but there is no way in hell they are advanced enough to visit our little rock?

That the paltry human understanding of physics and science is the apex of understanding in the universe?

posted on May, 6 2010 @ 08:27 PM
reply to post by theability

I'm not trying to bash you or anything now. But have you at all read the content of this thread? He does not say you are a joke for believing in aliens, he also believe. He said about they being presence here on planet earth.

posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:59 PM
reply to post by debris765nju

Woah, woah, woah, woah!

I don't even get a thanks for this post which deals directly with your wishes?

C'mon man, you got what you wanted and you didn't even say thanks - talk about childish.


posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:12 PM
reply to post by gamerman

Before you jump the gun....

Last night, 24 hours ago the thread title was written completely different. It said in the thread title that people who believe in aliens are a joke.

After a bit and people complained he chnaged it.

posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:16 PM
reply to post by m0r1arty

i gave you the attention and respect you merit, I understand that you consider yourself a wit and i am convinced you are at least half right. What exactly is your purpose on this forum?

posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:30 PM

Originally posted by debris765nju
What exactly is your purpose on this forum?

That is the best direct question I'v ever been asked here.

I'm welling up *sob*

My purpose here is to take those who are conditioned to live in a fantasy world and have them look beyond their conditioning.

It's not necessarily the best thing for everyone, but it is the truth.

Knowing what is going on before you die is the best gift I can offer.

By way of friendly repose; what exactly is your purpose on this forum?


posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:28 AM
reply to post by m0r1arty

Thank you for that excellent answer, i can respect that. I also appreciate the favor of your direct question also. My purpose is no longer required.
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posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:52 AM
Hey debris765nju,

Cheers for the friendly response. Your link didn't work though.

I'd recommend having a look at this thread which helps you with formatting posts correctly and making sure links always work. It's pretty well explained and will make your content easier to access for everyone.

I'd also recommend getting a YouTube account for your videos as you can link to them directly within your post and they are easier to view than the photobucket videos.

I hoe this was of use to you.


posted on May, 7 2010 @ 01:08 AM
neat thread. I like to believe that there is a peaceful interevention happening here on earth but really no claims to back this up but a feeling. I'm not crazy yet.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 01:18 AM
reply to post by m0r1arty

Thanks for the heads up on the video. Please try it now. Actually i always check to make sure they work. The link actually took mne to the video it claimed not to have, Give me magic over science any day.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 01:30 AM
reply to post by debris765nju

Ok, watched it and am still standing by my earlier position.

Best of luck.


posted on May, 7 2010 @ 04:34 AM
reply to post by debris765nju

I am as confused as mOr1arty on your vids. I have said it to you before debris.
I don't really understand what you are trying to show us, I just see blurry images of faces and stuff. Please explain what the videos are showing us.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 05:40 AM
reply to post by kerazeesicko

You have to dig deep, very deep, to find the truth which you are trying to deny.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

I am trying to find a way to convey that information. The photographs are of invisibe things and people (they are shapeshifters) the camera captures their images; Altering the light values reveals their presence in the photograph. I have repeated this information in previous threads in great detail, it is more convenient to refer people to them than to repeat the info everywhere.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 03:34 PM
reply to post by kerazeesicko

When you ACTUALLY do use logical and rational thinking you can only come to the conclusion that life has visted us from afar and is working hand in hand in shaping our current situation or has layed the ground work to be carried out in the past......

To think out of billions of galaxies and billions of stars within them that somehow only we have intelligent life and that if it existed somewhere else it could never travel here because we can't travel there , is just dumb ......

The thing about this post is, you already think you know the truth, so you can never actually know the truth....

The truth can never be fully realized within one lifetime, too think otherwise is IGNORANT .......

think about all the stuff in the universe you have no idea even exists.....How do you know what is happening out there without ever having been there?

You DON'T !!!!! and you are just guessing just like everybody else !!!

The thing about Alien believers is usually they DON't think they know everything.

It's the non- believers that are usually the Arrogant and ignorant ones.......

People actually base everything they "should" know off of a book ?

What about the stuff that is not in the bible? Does it not exist because the bible has not said it is so???????

nope...there is just too much information and truth to be discovered to be found in one life time...

One truth/answer is just the beginning of another question....

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ect....... You see....just look at a tree or flower for your answer to anything...and that answer is cycles and repetition ...The infinite sign..

I know it sounds like rambling and i don't fully understand it myself , but I am beginning to see at least some what the full picture and structure of life.

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 04:00 PM
I really think this article from UFO Digest today is appropriate for this thread.

Human you Really have to get over yourself!

Written by Chris Holly
Wednesday, 05 May 2010 00:49
I have been watching all the debate and opinions flooding the internet concerning the subject of Alien visitation, what aliens will do, and how it will affect the earth and all who live upon it.

I read the views from the top scientists to those who have no obvious knowledge of the subject at all.

Everyone has a say everyone thinks they are right and EVERYONE bases their view from their limited human understanding of science, life and the universe. That is where our problem lies. Our own foolishness leaves me slapping my forehead in anguish wondering what the living heck is wrong with everyone.

Did it ever occur to the human race that we are not all that and that we really need to get over ourselves? Let us be really honest here and take an uncharacteristic look at reality. Humans are an animal -that is a fact. Humans are intelligent animals as we can alter our surroundings, use tools and advance by way of abstract thinking. So far so good -the humans are looking good as far as earth bound life is concerned. Now let us look at humans via our universal neighborhood. We may be average as far as life forms our age or even more advanced than those who are only starting up the ladder of intelligence. We also may be far less developed as a civilized species than other life forms who may be millions even billions of years older.

Those are the cosmic neighbors who would be visiting us. They would be the life forms we think of as our alien visitors and they are the beings we seem to think are so taken with us that we form every theory, opinion, and decision about them via the idea we are very special and they really are interested in us and our planet.

Really humans – you have to get over yourself!

I have to shake the spiders out of my head as I try to grasp why we would think we are such incredible creatures that visitors far more advanced are really concerned with us. Is it the fact we cannot stop killing each other in war, terror, gang violence, domestic abuse, mass murders or simply acts of rage and hate that you feel makes us so appealing?

Maybe it is our political and broken world economies that make us shine as cosmic super stars! Or can it be how part of the human race is busy like monkey’s picking flea’s with our cell phones and text messaging while the other parts of the worlds population starves to death or are dying from curable diseases?

Wait – our universal neighbors may be tuning in to our Internet communications leaving them in awe of our hateful attacks upon each other or inability to barely read or write. I do imagine however they are fully impressed by our constant and repetitive usage of every foul four letter word in exchange of the normal vocabulary available.

I think I am making my point. Really people, do you think we are anything other than mid to low rung creatures as far as this universe is concerned?

When are the humans going to figure out it is not about them when dealing with alien species. Has it ever crossed the mind of the human race that we are not the center of attention of other life forms? In fact we may be as relevant, interesting or important to our cosmic neighbors as an ant hill or school or guppies are to us!

I read long intricate articles about the alien subject that simply are ridiculous. First and foremost if aliens are able to visit us from places far from our own solar system they out smart us on a ratio close to comparing a human to a goldfish. To think we are anywhere near the development of those who can harness space and the energy needed to travel the universe is just ridiculous. We cannot get off our own block yet we think we are so special that we are of some great importance to alien visitors.

My comic relief comes by watching the best of us, the scientists of our time stick closely together explaining why it is not possible for aliens to visit us because of bla-bla-bla, you fill in the nonsense.

I find it incredulous that they compare what those who are obviously far older and far more advanced in the technology needed to travel the universe to the limited knowledge and understanding of the universe that we are just now beginning to understand. I laugh openly when I hear some arrogant fool tell us that life does not exist out there because they do not respond to or send out ancient radio signals? How dumb is that? Do they really think that the advanced civilizations that can travel the cosmos are still involved with such limited technology? Do we still use pony express or wait for the stage coach to bring the monthly mail? It is really embarrassing to read that type of defense of why aliens do not exist!

The other great laugh I get is listening to why Aliens are not able to visit us. It is hilarious listening to serious so called deep thinkers tell us that it is not possible because of the science they have sort of figured out. Yes I say sort of figured out as we are only starting to touch on the science of the universe and most days if you throw three scientists in a room you will find you end up with three different opinions that they will fight over for three hundred years!. I am sorry but we do not understand the workings of our universe and are not capable of knowing what is or is not possible at this stage of our technology and scientific development. We are mere babes in the woods as far as finding our way around the cosmos. Goodness we are not even able to figure out how to quickly or efficiently travel or use our own little solar system. As I said before, really human- get over yourself!

How about the idea alien technology is so advanced that aliens may be sitting right over your house and you would never know it. How about alien technology being so advanced that they are tapped in and controlling every transmission or system that we stupid humans have sitting in our houses, cars and stuck on our heads?

The next area of debate that keeps me slapping my head is the purpose of alien visitation. Humans are a riot with that one. Humans feel they are just the cherry on the cake of living beings. Humans feel they are so important that civilizations far more developed are just dying to get at us. Humans feel we are so attractive to the beings of the universe that they want to be in charge of us, take our planet and spend their time in our neck of the woods. That is all aliens think of- getting to the humans. GET OVER YOUR SELF … You just are not all that to other beings. Humans are low level at best, smelly, violent, destructive animals that cannot get off their own planet or keep the planet we have alive and well.

Really people if aliens who pass our way wanted to have this planet for what it offers in resources we would long be taken over. They sure would not wait until we destroy the place. If aliens wanted to enslave us they would do it. They would not wait until we blow each other up. If they were going to do whatever they are going to do they would do it before we pollute, destroy and kill off the best of what this planet offers. That is what the silly little humans do not get. We are here and they take a look, maybe take a few of us and they go on their merry way. It is not about how special we are I think it may be more about the fact we exist and they are curious or simply we are on the way as they pass by. A lot like that rest stop we all use that is cleaner than the others and the food at least hot and edible.

We may be used by certain alien species for scientific material or experimentation. I am sure they are among us all the time. I simply think we need to grasp the fact we are not all we think we are and they are really not all that in to us.

From years of talking to humans who have had contact with the unknown as well as personal encounters of my own the one word I feel that best describes alien feelings concerning humans would be cold. A cold indifference would describe them. I believe that humans are taken and have been used in a mixture of curiosity and experimental encounters. We are an easy mark who can be easily controlled and far too primitive in our science and technology to even know they are right in front of our noses.

Of course my favorite approach to the subject of spacecrafts and aliens is the good old human hold out of they cannot exist if we do not have one on our front lawn. I find it hilarious when they demand real proof.

We have huge amounts of photo’s, video’s and reliable good people explaining they have seen and or encountered crafts and beings yet all of that – means nothing to the fool who wants to deal with aliens one on one before they prepare to understand they exist. I always shake my head as I know that it this is the same person if found one dark night, alone in their yard , they were the one looking straight into the eyes of the unknown would be the first screaming for the world to believe and protect them. Guaranteed the night that event occurs will be the same night they will wish they had paid better attention to those who have walked that path before them.

We like living in the dark ages of science. If we wanted to understand the universe around us as well as the truth behind many subjects thought of as paranormal – we would stop the nonsense and find the truth.

. If we worked together and refused to be herded like sheep to laugh like fools instead of acting like a curious advancing society we would know what is what in our own universe. Instead we want to keep all these things creepy little subjects that thrill and frighten us but ones we only think of abstractly.

We are really far from ready to know the truth. Let’s face it we are just too primitive. Aliens see the human species for what we are and frankly I do not think they are as impressed as we think they are. They sure seem to keep us at arm’s length. If they want one of us to play with they take us and then throw us back into the pond. That is the truth of alien human interactions.

Here we live on a planet with billions of people. Millions in the populations have reported seeing UFO’s or having contact with other beings. We handle that information in three ways. We hide it and never say a word. We laugh at, ridicule and flat out call those who have had horrible experiences liars or we make up stories for attention that throw the real events in to the same pot with the fantasy and fools.

Nothing gets resolved. We seem to be comfortable running on the rat wheel of denial and fear when it comes to things like aliens, UFO’s Chem. trails and crop circles. Just give them a quick reason you think it is nonsense and brush it off. Even if your thinking is wrong- it does not matter you will demand it is right so you can keep that wheel spinning. It is the only method mankind seems to handle with things too hard to think about or uncomfortable to deal with. This allows an easy neat little dark door slammed closed for any real study on paranormal subjects. We willingly stay locked in middle age darkness when it comes to real advancement in the science of our cosmos.

I am sure those who visit us find us a strange pack of animals. Why we think we are a special species will continue to confuse me. We are hateful people who immediately attack anyone who disagree with us. We are always at war, always killing each other; we are aggressive and unkind towards one another. We cannot take care of the population of the world or the planet for that matter. We attack all things that are new or unknown and run in packs following whatever fad, TV show, politician or Internet group tells us to. We walk around with technology attached to our bodies quickly losing our humanity over to objects of possible control and get nasty if someone suggests you turn the damn things off! Has it ever dawned on any of you that you may willingly be allowing others to download directly into your brain via the constant use of the wireless world? Come on people start thinking!

Truly we need to begin to get our heads straight about our place in our own universe. I think we have to start by understanding we are not the top dog out there. We may be the big deal in our little solar system however space is endless and so are the life forms out there.

I am not going to argue about intelligent life or aliens. I think you should think whatever you need to in order to handle whatever you need to on this topic.

I know what I have seen and who I have seen. I have talked to many people on this subject. I will admit I have a bigger list of those I do NOT believe telling truthful accounts than I do those who have told me true encounters. That is the nature of the human beast. We are our own worst enemies which keeps us locked in the dark when it comes to the knowledge of the cosmos.

I will continue my upstream swim trying to bring the experiences of those who have walked over this dark line and do have information to share on the subject of crafts and visitors from our cosmos. If I can prepare a handful of my own kind to be aware that the unknown is simply the truth of the universe we simply do not yet understand I will have done my job.

You see I believe you are far better equipped in life to have some knowledge of things you may encounter. Those of us who have faced the unknown and survived may try to share our thoughts with others so they too may endure and live to tell of an encounter they may experience. As I have said a thousand times before. It is easy to have a great deal to say or think the paranormal is hilarious – until it happens to you!

Be careful out there and know sometimes that odd shape in the sky is not a cloud, that light in the sky not a Chinese lantern and that thing behind the tree not a shadow. Sometimes it is a UFO, an unknown object or a big ole creature! And that is just how it is.

♥ Copyright © 2008- 2010 Chris Holly all Rights Reserved
Chris Holly’s Paranormal World-

posted on May, 7 2010 @ 07:33 PM

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posted on May, 8 2010 @ 03:05 PM
I can understand why it's difficult for some people to accept. It would still be in the realm of bigfoot or the loch ness monster for me if i hadn't seen evidence myself.

Consider this though. Using Occams razor, eventually you have to settle on the simplest solution that explains the most things. Instead of making up many increasingly dubious and questionable explainations for each individual case of a UFO sighting or claim of abduction, everything from tribal luminescence to mass hallucinations, the more likely possibility is that all these people are actually seeing what they claim.

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posted on May, 10 2010 @ 07:03 AM
I'm new here and I have barely made few posts, but I agree almost completely with the one who began this thread.
First of all as I have stated before most of UFO cases can be solved and have been solved and proven to be earthly phenomenoma. All abductees testimonies should be disregarded as long as there is NO physical evidence. Worst case is that most of these UFO witnesses jump to conclusions. People see blinking flares in the sky and jump to conclusion that they must be of extraterrestial origin. Jumping hastly to conclusions is never good thing. Especially in science.
I'm personally fascinated by these UFO stories as they are say the least...I'm not able however to bend my official standpoint as long as there won't be more credible evidence. My official standpoint stands that there is possibility of other alien lifeforms, witch has not yet been verified. If there are alien lifeforms it would be logical to conclude that there is intelligent life. If there is intelligent life there is a civilization. If there is civilization then there is technology and so we get to the point that
we may have been visited. Simple.
This is my logical conclusion as to existence and possible existence of aliens.
Assuming all beforementioned conditions as true we come to following conclusion:

"The only civilizations that may be intrested in us are only few hundred years ahead of us tehnologically. All older civilizations wont even bother to try to search for these low level civilizations as they are more intrested in development of these few hundred years older civilizations than we."

Here is my view on the thing:
Now if all of it were true and all Highly ranked people would know that the first logical thing to do would be to unify earth and invest in science and education. As most of ATS member's believe in disclosure, I must dissapoint them, that would be the very last thing these Highly ranked people would do. Those in power would try to unify global economy and unify culture (please remember this would happen regardless of intervention) faster. We are still too economically diverse to be ready. Just look at those who work under 1$ per day or those who live in Amazonian jungle. These people are not able to grasp derivatives or Benedict–Webb–Rubin equation. (Unfortunetly most of the people even in some more advanced countries are unable to grasp them and thus we are not ready) Secondarily we would need to stop population growth. This could be achieved by various means and it may come naturally as quality of living rises. Earth is able to sustain even 11mlrd people, but the problem is that the earth is unequally inhabited. For example South America is underpopulated compered to its possible sustainability level while Some parts of Africa are greatly overpopulated. Third thing is estabilishment of global government, which will come sooner or later (I personally hope sooner...). Glogbal recources must be managed more efficiently as for this moment they are used ineffectively and wastefully. There is also problem of democracy. Currently right to vote is everyone's right and not the PRIVILEDGE as it perhaps should be. I believe that right to vote should be given to those, whom are at least 15% more intelligent than general population and are. There should be strict scientific test to test if someone is eligible to vote. I'm not saying democracy is bad thing, but that it will lead sooner or later to deterioration (populism anyone?). For example contrary to common thinking people in china have right to vote, albeit limited one. Thanks to it's more limited democracy china is able to do long term plans, which none of the "real" democracy's can. Russia is for example able to make National Energy strategy to 2050, while officials in my country can barely think to 2015, and that might change after elections.
P.S.If there are neutral Aliens I'd love to see their Anti-gravity crafts engines and learn all their knowledge and apply it

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