Originally posted by dfens
So, they had enough actionable intel to obtain a search warrant for a nighttime raid and didn't factor in the suspect having dogs or drugs, or a
family living there for that matter?
Yes they need, unless the magistrate judge in that area is an idiot, enough cause or reason to have a judge sign off on a search warrant. Especially
one being executed by SWAT where the door is authorized to be kicked in. So again, I wasn't there, I am not from there, so I have NO IDEA what kind
of CI or UC they used, no idea how their judges are, etc....but I would hope they knew about the dogs before the raid, knew how many/who all lived in
the house or who would be there when they hit it....and yes I sure as hell would hope the REASON for the warrant..i.e. drugs is included as a
If drugs are involved, doesn't that automatically equal some K9 support? If dogs are involved, does that equal K9 support? I don't know. I'm
asking. You say its different every time. Executing a warrant, that is.
No, not always. Sometimes having a K9 on scene can make things worse, but sometimes they are valuable. Circumstances will dictate, and again I
don't know the full circumstances of this case.
The judge who authorized the warrant should be on the hook, as well as all officers involved, also the CI, probably the chief of police too,
for allowing what will become a PR nightmare for their incompetence.
Again this all depends on HOW they got their information. If its a CI then it could be ugly, if its a UC then they are screwed, but yes a judge
(atleast at the magistrate level) will be in a bad way if this search warrant was signed without cause or reason....unless it was a bad warrant from
the officers. Again, so many things involved that speculating just isn't worth it at this point.
Another question that hasn't been brought up yet is, why is there a cameraman included with the team? And how on earth did this get on
youtube? This can't be staged because its too FUBARed.
We film SOME raids, depending on circumstances, so its not uncommon. As for how it got out...it was definitly "leaked" at this point. These films
DO become public record after the trials etc....and a simple FOIA request can get you a copy....I know some of ours have been requested by the
suspects AFTER they got out of jail....not sure why but hey, its his right to have a copy.
If you can bring the A/V guy in riot gear, why not bring the dogs? Don't reply with the predictable answer (we never know...) please. Have you
ever seen dogs play or fight with each other? Pit bulls usually max out at 60#, german shepherds max at around 90#, and are known for their
Well a K9 shepard is never over 75lbs....if he/she is then the dog will not perform very well...thats to heavy. Again, K9's are used at times and
not at others. As I mentioned, the execution of a search warrant or arrest warrant can be approached from SOOOO many directions, with SOOOO many
options (depending on all circumstances involved) that its impossible to answer why on this incident without seeing the complete OP order from their
A pitbull can be brought down in seconds and put into place if you don't panic. If they bite, you can choke them in no time. Not so easy with
german shepherds. I'd be more worried about the latter. Or a lab, or a st bernard, or great dane.
All well and good if you have time and aren't also dealing with possibly armed suspects. Like I said the one we shot last year had to be shot...no
doubts, but again, EVERY situation is different.
Homework wasn't done and those fake commandos all deserve to pay. Especially the one who filmed it all and said nothing. Then again, he may be
the whistleblower. It is sickening, to say the least.
I agree it seems like they didn't do a good job getting things in motion quick enough OR all their intel sucks and they need to reevaluate how they