SWAT kills two dogs in front of children during a house raid over a marijuana posession., page 3
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reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 08:53 PM by azrael36
reply to post by muzzleflash



LOL dang dude, I like you, you're alright!
I like scrabble n crosswords!


reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 09:21 PM by loveguy
reply to post by EyesWideShut


Hello,
This marijuana being illegal is an out-right injustice. How many more lives will be paid? And for what reason?

The line is crossed when a life is not taken into consideration, and spent for some bureaucratic nonsense.


reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 09:31 PM by beebs
Man, I'm sorry but this is terrible.

I honestly am appalled to see ANYONE defend these cops.

What does the cage have anything to do with this? Two dogs were shot. One died as a result.

If you watch the video again, the first knock - AKA the first attempt the cops give at making their presence known - is at 0:30 seconds.

The first dog bark is at the same time, which is normal dogs hear very well and always bark RIGHT away when someone comes to the door. I'd say anyone that has ever had a dog is aware of this. The dog could have barked after hearing the officer drop his riot shield onto the lawn.

The door is opened at 0:40 seconds. That is ten seconds since the family inside has had any clue that someone is at their front door.

Its hard to tell which family member opens the door, presumably the wife or kid. Actually, I'm not sure they did even open the door, coulda just been busted in... TEN SECONDS... how long does it take you guys to get the door? Its 8:30 at night... what if they were cooking? and anyways... its only been ten seconds.. what if they would have waited 5 more for a response??? The dogs would be alive, kids wouldn't of been traumatized, etc. etc..

There is a loud knock as the police officer in the front kicks or harshly knocks the door wide open at 0:41.

Then, this is really amazing I can't believe ANYONE thinks this is ok..

Shot fired at 0:42.

The door was barely open.

Imagine being inside that house, with your family.

Hearing a knock, then one of your family members going to the door... 5 seconds... 9 seconds.. the door opens, loud knock then BLAM! gunshot and your dog yelps... you aren't even aware at that time your dog has been shot(because you are probably not in the living room, he was spreaded at the end of the hallway)...

Then your other dog starts barking to high heaven because he knows somethin ain't right...

Anyone in their right mind can see this is not right.

The commands for the squad are then issued, 'gogogo! get through the door!'

0:44-45 "POLICE DEPT DONT MOVE!! x3

0:49 second shot fired. another dog yelp...

0:50 loud clamor, dog yelping and PDDM!!, SHTF

~0:55 suspect is on floor end of hallway

1:04 3-4 more rounds are shot I don't know, apparently the dogs weren't shot on the first 2 shots?! Is this when the second dog is shot?! something is not right damnit. 5 shots fired within 35 seconds of the family knowing someone was at their front step.

~1:20 wife and kid are probably told to get out of the bedroom, or whatever room at end of hall, 3, independent impatient rude cops yell in their face to MOVE PAST HIM! (because he is spread eagle on the floor at the end of the hallway)

~1:30 officer yells at the suspect on the ground to 'put your hands behind your back!'. suspect puts his hands on the top of his head(MUCH MORE EASY TO DO UNDER STRESS, AND LAYING FACE FIRST ON THE GROUND) which prompts the impatient asshole of a cop to kick him and reiterate the order again 'PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!'

~1:40 some officer says 'we got another injured one'(referring to the dogs they shot point blank invading a private home at 8:30 in the evening, using 5 shots in under a minute) to which the dazed suspect barely can grasp that his dogs have been shot... 'injured... what... whats injured?! whats happening?!'



And I'm done analyzing it... what a pile of sh!t.

A close analysis reveals absolutely NO evidence of this:
These people heard the cops say: call your dog off. They did not.

watched the video. They said for the dogs to be called off.


The first shot was fired immediately when the door was opened. 12 seconds after the family heard a knock. So, when exactly did these cops ask for the dogs to be called off? In between the knock on the door and the first shot?! I think not...

Imagine if these cops had waited a minute at the door... or even 30 seconds...

All of this would not have happened. It is hard to tell if the cops broke in, or the door was answered.

But if it was answered... WTF man. WTF either way. Couldn't someone have come to the door and talked about it? If they thought they were gonna run, the cops coulda put a guy or two to the back of the house or whatever..

EPIC FAIL by these policemen... unreal.




reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 09:42 PM by FortAnthem
reply to post by muzzleflash



I just want to make it clear; I don't like what the cops did to the dogs here, I think they're a bunch of douchbag cowards for what they did.

I was just trying to dig up some real news articles on this incident so we could find out the back story on this video. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any reference to the dog being in a cage in any of the articles I found.

I noticed that the camera does a quick pan into the kitchen where the dog was killed but, it's to quick and blurry to make out any details. Not saying there wasn't any cage but, none of the news sources seem to back this up.


reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 11:30 PM by rcwj1975
We had to shoot a dog last year on a NO KNOCK warrant. The officer that shot the dog had no choice, but this was a TOTALLY different situation then what I watched. I wasn't there, but having been on SWAT for 6 of my 9 years in LE, I am VERY familiar with dogs in residences and how we handle them. If you don't have to shoot the dog, DON'T. Growling and acting aggressive isn't BEING aggressive, plus the liability of firing rounds inside the house over a POSSIBLE aggressive dog isn't worth it. Less lethal rounds are an option as well and have been used successfully on pets...considering some of the houses I have raided had not just dogs but panthers and lynx cats..lol...drug dealers love their exotic stuff.

Just so you know we shot a pit bull with stainless steel implants for K9 teeth, and the drug dealer who owned him only had him for attack/flush delay purposes. Watching this video and again having experience with dogs on many search warrants, it appears the dog wasn't caged since they shot the dog as they entered the house, then it sounds like the wounded dog took off to another room/section of the house.

Bottom line is this. The warrant was a knock and announce and it appeared to me they only did a single entry with NO perimeter set up...that means they weren't worried about him flushing the dope, which tells me this isn't a big bust or they are not experienced in dealing with big time pushers as the bathroom window is ALWAYS covered by a team member. There are soooo many ways to execute a search warrant, and so many tactical ways to handle situations that unless your there its hard to point fingers. Did they need to shoot the dogs....by their entry and what I saw on film by their tactics/approach...probably not.

By the way, either their CI sucks...or they are terrible at communicating with their narcotics guys, because IF someone has that much dope and you want to move on it...99% of the time you will move on it WHILE the CI or UC is inside or right after he/she walks out....


reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 11:49 PM by BlackOps719
reply to post by rcwj1975





I hope this family sues that police department for so much money that those cops spend the rest of their pathetic lives sweating their ass off working in a Wendys drive thru window, just so they can relinquish every cent they make.


And thats after they get done serving their sentences for felony animal cruelty and domestic acts of terror.


reply posted on 5-5-2010 @ 11:50 PM by baddmove
reply to post by rcwj1975



ok rcw..i know you are a cop..i have read a lot of your posts,but still, in that video, do you see any reason for swat to shoot his dogs? i mean really see a reason? bah..i wanna love you guys for what you do..but this just hurts my heart
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