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SWAT kills two dogs in front of children during a house raid over a marijuana posession.

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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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I believe the dogs did their job.....alert the family to an intruder. Also how long did it take from the first knock tiil all hell broke loose? The man was in bed he had no time to call off his pets, that was just standerd issue lip service to justify the shooting of the dogs. Seems heavy handed with all of the legalization issues going on, the police aren't makeing many friends nowdays. Hell my siameese cat gets agressive with bangs in the night!!




posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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I'm sure we all feel safer now that they took those few grams of cannabis off the street, don't we?

I mean, the expense of the raid and the trauma it caused to all those involved was worth it, right?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Sad.

I wonder how much violence would decrease if marijuana was to be legalized nationally.

Crime increased to a severe amount when alcohol was prohibited, but when it became legalized, it went down tremendously. Now we have a new prohibition.

Someday this will end, hopefully. We need to legalize marijuana, Now.

[edit on 6-5-2010 by GorehoundLarry]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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Yes! I had the video be posted on... Toke Of The Town.
www.tokeofthetown.com...



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by DrJay1975
I hope someone sends the cop who shot the pit a fruit basket.


It seems that you specifically want people to get angry at your idiotic statements. In your profile under interests you list:

"My 3 kids, my beautiful, my 2 maltese and my labrador "

Perfect. Also I am assuming after "my beautiful" you meant to insert wife. Anyway...

Say for sake of argument, the SWAT gets BAD intel and happens to come to your house. You are sleeping in the middle of the night. All these dudes in full armor with assault rifles rush in, something your dogs have never experienced, and they start barking. Swat then shoots all your dogs in the FACE in front of your kids eyes. Then drag you out in front of your crying wife and kids. How would that make you feel?

If you truly have no empathy for this situation then man do i feel bad for your family...



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.


Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.


Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.


Finally, a clear vision of how people have actually lost their humanity by seeing how they are not connected to all living things.

Wonderful mindset.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by curious_soul
 


I'm sorry curious_soul, you dont send the Swat in with a search warrant, you send regular officers knocking on people's door. This was a planned operation destined to catch someone red handed (the warrant is merely burocracy, its a paper they have to carry with them, thats all, even the swat. That "someone" is not an innocent, its someone they WANT to catch, they KNOW his guilty, and because other means have failed they had the need of a strong approach. If you think you mobilize a swat team over night to "kick people's doors and shoot their dogs" for no reason, you are sadly mistaken.

This took some homework... the guy just got lucky and the cops got very very bad luck. Maybe that was the one single freakin day he was clean yet he was that lucky.

But hell... he should expect more visits in some time anyway cause they wont be happy with that "misdemeanor".. so eventually he'll get caught.


I'm not wrong! They had to go before a judge to get a search warrant. The judge could have granted an order to arrest and detain the guy if their was enough suspecion and people were in imeadiate danger.

This discussion has got wayyyy off topic. The SWAT team still has to follow procedure. This guy is entitled to a jury trail if he pursues it and there is no way in HELL you will find a jury that will agree that proper procedure took place here.

-Common sense tells you they didn't even give the guy a chance to open the door before busting it down.

-Common sense tells you they were firing imeaditely upon entering.

-Common sense tells you the SWAT team has no right to commit multiple felonies while executing a search warrant.

-Common sense tells you just because someone might be dealing pot that makes this person's dogs trainned killers, trainned to attack people.

-Common sense tells you just because this guy might be suspected of dealing pot it doesn't mean you're going to shoot police officers or a member of a SWAT team

Whoever provided the information to a judge for this to happen ought to be investigated and fired or charged as well. The judge should also be investigated to see if there actually was possible cause to issue this search warrant.

To imply this is even remotely okay for this situation to ever occur over a misdemeanor charge is completely psychotic.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.


Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.



What about pigs?

Human life must take "presidence" (precedence) over pig lives too then, doesn't it?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by DrEyebrows

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I'm on the fence on this one... cant really blame the cops.

get in quick, give no time for the targets to react and secure the place with the objective of 0 casualties always in mind.

Then the guy had 2 dogs... in that extremely tense situation, and btw I didnt see any "caged" dog...

As for the Corgi... ok, corgis are small, but their silhouette, if you know a corgi, its of a "bigger dog".

I dont know... its seems like we cant really blame the cops, it was not cold blooded shooting of animals, the situation is a stressful one... so I cant blame them.

I would never have the freakin swat bursting into my house looking for any kind of drug cause I simply dont have a "drug record".

[edit on 6-5-2010 by FraternitasSaturni]


Sorry, no. They truly are to blame. Sometimes I think some people defending the police have other agendas because it almost seems preposterous. Correct me if I am wrong but I see 7 guys in full body armor? Semi-assault guns...what kind of a threat exactly is going on here meth production lab?

The first dog was in a cage, I will trust the charges brought about in the news story about that one. You said "corgis are small, but their silhouette...". You are joking right? If I was one of those "OFFICERS" and a corgi jumped me it's pretty simple what to do. Let it attack your left ARMORED hand and with your right put one hammer blow with your SAP glove over it's head. 3 seconds, situation neutralized. Trust me, that dog will shut up for a couple hours.

All this is overkill. It really seems to me like a drunken frat party of idiots than people I trust to protect and serve. When I hear the word thug I will probably have the images from this video in my head for awhile.

What fantasy world do you live in where a swat team "would never burst into my house looking for any kind of drug cause I simply dont have a drug record". Oh, really? Any idiot with any kind of agenda can make an anonymous tip, whether you have a record or not, and these APES DRUNK ON ADRENALIN then will come a knockin'. Doubt me? Simple experiment to perform.

So I am assuming when you are on the SWAT team you are used to dealing with stressful situations correct? I would think they have to go through some kind of training? Weekly training too? I don't know about you but if I storm a house with a sweet H&K semi-assault rifle in full body armor with 6 other of my friends and we train for this weekly...well this situation wouldn't ring too high on my alert schedule now would it?

I love how everyone has the mindset of "0" casualties in the physical sense but have no sense of the emotional casualty it will bring. Can you possibly even comprehend the YEARS of therapy and deep trauma now that this man's poor kids and wife will have to go through? That isn't a "CASUALTY"? Sickens me.

It is a simple observation, and I mentioned it in another thread about this.

THESE APES GET DRUNK OFF OF THEIR ADRENALIN HIGH. I am sure if any of them even read these posts all I can see their reaction being is slamming their fist on their computer desk, saying a bunch of expletives, and then getting themselves even more amped and riled again to do it all over again. See? Apes....baboons even.

That is all.


Ok... first this was not a meth lab but if it was you are prolly not aware of the danger it is to enter a meth lab. If you gave that example as an exageration to minimize that particular situation, let me tell you that if that was a meth lab they wouldnt go there with full body armor, they would get there with CNB gear, yes it is THAT dangerous. The fumes on a meth lab are to be taken serious.

Second... yes your peripheral vision can fool you when it comes to silhouettes, and yes if you know what a corgi is, it seems like a dwarf german sheppard and you're peripheral vision does not evaluate the "size" over distance cause its not bifocal ok? Your evaluation of a critical zone as a spec operative is made PRIOR to the entrance. Now if something happens that was not predicted, hell you'll have to rely on training which I'll tell you below.

As for the training, yes the training is EXACTLY was justifies the reaction. See the average joe prolly stops to "look better" or "think before he acts". And prolly gets shot while doing this. Dont think that the swat training gives you preparation to "be cool in situations of stress", it teaches you to react faster than the situation itself. Sharpens your instincts and reflexes, you really have to be there almost "before it happens" when it does. He could even have shot the kid by mistake if he jumped out screaming with a wolf mask.

And now the "trauma". So you say the "YEARS of therapy and deep trauma" on the kids and wife are due to the swat? Not the the fact their dad was selling dope which was why the swat went in. Nice skewed judgment you have there. If the kids or the wife wish to thank their trauma to, thank their father / husband cause he destroyed his family when he decided to sell dope for extra cash not thinking about them. Blaming the cops is ridiculous. Blame the father, he was the trigger that shot Swat in ok?

And by the way... as for me being an ignorant behind a desk well... unfortunately I'm not that ignorant and not all that much behind a desk... not as much as I wanted to anyway... but still I try to explain some POV that people dont grasp. You have no idea of the training of a spec operative, behavior "in action" and you cant judge what you dont know nothing about. I could go there, but I wont.

So keep your "poor dope dealer" crap chat and keep calling spec ops "adrenaline addicted apes" cause theres always one day you'll cry on their shoulder and thank them for putting their lives on the line for people like you that come to internet forums to diss them.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.


Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.



What about pigs?

Human life must take "presidence" (precedence) over pig lives too then, doesn't it?


Oh I see what you did there, its a cleverly disguised police joke..oh how clever! So very witty! Good job!! YAY!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra
Oh I see what you did there, its a cleverly disguised police joke..oh how clever! So very witty! Good job!! YAY!


What's even better is that I meant it sincerely and from the bottom of my heart!




posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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reply to post by curious_soul
 


Its called protocol. Or in layman's words "the rules of the game".

Its just how the cookie crumbles.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by DrEyebrows

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra

Screw the dogs,human life takes presidence.


Finally someone that understands the differences between humans and animals.


Finally, a clear vision of how people have actually lost their humanity by seeing how they are not connected to all living things.

Wonderful mindset.


At what point should an animal be more important than a human life? Noone can answer me that, and since you are so intuned and interconnected with animals...perhaps you can explain it.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Forgive me. But how is a pitt bull and corgi gonna be able to kill someone quick enough before 5 armed men take them out?? Even if the pit had attacked all it woulda done at best was cause someone to get a few stitches before it got blown in two.


[edit on 6-5-2010 by ker2010]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by curious_soul
 


This took some homework... the guy just got lucky and the cops got very very bad luck. Maybe that was the one single freakin day he was clean yet he was that lucky.

But hell... he should expect more visits in some time anyway cause they wont be happy with that "misdemeanor".. so eventually he'll get caught.


You just gave even more reason as to why they should have approached the whole thing differently.

If the guy was selling drugs out of his house, which is always a possibility, why wouldnt they just bust him red handed when hes in the middle of an exchange? Wouldnt that be a sure fire way to get him on the greater charge. Or, if they were really watching this guy, they could easily start pulling over people who are seen coming and going from his house. If they find drugs on the people, they have the great possibility of the customer flippin' on the dealer, in order to keep themselves out of trouble.

Basically, there are dozens of ways this whole situation could have been done better. I mean, if they had intel, surely they would have known there were animals, wife, and children inside. Wouldnt that knowledge make you just wait for the guy to leave in the morning, then grab him when he's outside, away from his family, then go in and see if they can find anything?

To me, the fact that they even charged him with the misdemeaner is total BS. What ever happened to being able to do stuff like smoke a lil pot while in the comfort and privacy of your own home?

Yes, the judge, and whoever was calling the shots that night made a big mistake. I remember the days when it was difficult to obtain a search warrant, and judges didnt like being asked if there wasnt BLATANT evidence. The fact that they only charged him for the misdemeaner tells me they didnt have shish on him

Poor kid too, your dog dies, your home is invaded, and your dad is taken to jail. All in one night. Gang land here he comes....



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by DeltaBravoSierra
Oh I see what you did there, its a cleverly disguised police joke..oh how clever! So very witty! Good job!! YAY!


What's even better is that I meant it sincerely and from the bottom of my heart!



Neat! Good job wow to be so witty! I bet your life is never boring...your my hero.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Amazing all you people pretending to be upset about the dogs, when it is the drugs your clearly defending.

Whether you like it or not, drugs are illegal and having drugs in a house with children is child abuse.

That also did not look like they had any money to be spending on drugs when they have children to be responsible for. How many potheads do you suppose have education accounts for their kids or futures for that matter. I know, I used to be that dumb. I grew up.

When you knowingly engage in criminal activity and even worse do it in your home with your children, whatever occurs is ultimately your fault.

Add to this you can not ever get a good job and you add another level of stupidity. Give up your whole future to get high. When you are willing to give up all you give up to be a user, its not harmless. Putting your children at risk and destroying any chance of a good future is just not smart.

You guys go on pretending the rants here are about the dogs. The truth is obvious.

You can also pretend that drug houses keep Pit Bulls because they make good pets. You might fool the naive but your not going to fool an ex-Junkie like me. I paid dearly for my stupidity. The Pit Bulls are to defend against Cops and most druggies who keep them, abuse them to make them mean. I've seen it far to many times and just because it was more than 25 years ago does not mean that anything has changed since my bad old days.

There is nothing worse than lying to yourselves. I worry some of you are doing drugs around your children. Got any money in their education accounts? Ever had a good job that requires drug testing? No? How you gonna take care of your children if you can't pass a drug test to get a real job? Those are the realities.

Pretending you care about the dogs



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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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