You owe me and you are going to pay!

Originally posted by brent81
[How about a paycheck for work done that actually pays the bills and allows one to save for rainy days? Why has the minimum wage lagged behind while the cost of living skyrockets?

The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage, it was intended solely to prevent people from being paid slave wages.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

I could just imagine how much nicer the world would be if people didn't worry so much about what someone else is getting,when they have everything they need already.

A world where they didn't categorize one another for the sake of making themselves feel like they are more or less than another person.

This materialism,and bean counting,categorizing,came from england with the first settlers who came to the the american continent.

It is a trait which originated from the way the inbred,nearly retarded and childish royal families of europe thought.

The natives of the american continent tried to keep them away,to destroy them,because the native americans knew that the land was for everyone's use,and they knew that the white man would ruin everything.

The native americans saw the way we regarded private property as a major flaw that needed to be eliminated,and I can see why now,the way the world has become,and I think it would have been good if they were more successful in their efforts.

Be happy in knowing you think like a retarded royal brat,at least some of you do....

You only need so much,if you have more than you need you are depriving someone else of something they need,sometimes for their very survival..

The current system is based on deprivation,and contrived shortage,the systems goal is to produce profit through damaging individuals,and offering a solution to their problems,which only profits the system.

Next time you wanna cry about having to foot the bill for someone else,try to comprehend the fact that your refusing to would be illegal,like refuse to allow your income to be witheld,refuse to pay sales tax,refuse to pay income taxes or fines........

You do it voluntarily,stop whining.

Or change the system for reasons other than selfishness.

Selfishness is the root of the problem.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by chiponbothshoulders]

Your government is tricking you.

1-Many of you watch too much TV,or sit for hours at your computer,when you would do better to go get some exercise.

1a-health clubs,insurance companies,hollywood... and big pharma love that money.

2-There is no real control over the safety and wholesomeness of the food you eat.

2a-to feed your corrupt medical industry,insurance companies love your money,to mention only two of many.

3-You education system does not teach children what they need to know to go on to be successful adults,whatever success is,I dunno?.

3a-you have no clue what true success is,you learn to blindly judge others,a fool and his money are soon parted,so lets manufacture fools.

4-Your car goes as fast as you want it to.


4a-so you can be fined for speeding!.you find out it isn't about freedumb,it's about feeding insurance and the medical industry,and the courts prisons and cemeteries.

5-Your prisons and jails do not rehabilitate,they damage people to guarantee return business.

5a-a giant training center for cruel people who would not consider anyone but themselves,beginning with the police and guards,the trainers....They're in "The people Business",business is good.

6-Don't get me started about the court system,the "Justice System",what a frickin joke.

7-Your roads are poorly designed,and ill maintained.

7a-auto repair shops,insurance companies,and the medical industry,among a whole host of others... just love your money so much.

8-There is no real control over the materials used to build your dwellings.

8a-Too often,the materials cause health problems from fumes etc.,and why in the world would you live in a trailer in a hurricane zone?.

Only a few examples,I could literally go on all day about it.
My point is,you sit around and blame all of those who you consider to be lower than yourselves,when in truth,those whom you emulate,those you adore and idolize,those you consider to be above you.....

...Are way below you,they are the scum who manipulate your minds to shift blame away from themselves and turn you against one another.

Until you stop judging others according to your brainwashing,from TV and school and just plain ignorance,it will never get better.

I don't claim to be above anyone else,but it annoys me to witness the sheer ignorance displayed in threads such as this.Stop being a bovine consumer materialist bozo.

We are all being farmed, the only way the U.S. is #1,is that it's livestock think they're free ,so our government is the #1 producer of dumb sheep.

I mean no offense.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I am quite certain our fore-fathers wanted the usa to be a socialist republic. The socialist aspect is in regard to our economy and the republic aspect is in regard to politics.

I'm quite certain they did not. Their own words prove that idea to be nothing more than a baseless assumption.

"The Utopian schemes of leveling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government, unconstitutional. Now, what property can colonists be conceived to have, if their money may be granted away to others, without their consent?" - Samuel Adams

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” - Benjamin Franklin

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” - Thomas Jefferson

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” - John Adams

The quotes you posted don't prove they wanted capitalism anymore than they wanted socialism. The only thing they do prove is they were anti-communist. Hell even I am anti-communist!

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The FED is NOT a government agency, it is a PRIVATE central bank.

Not exactly.

FederalReserve.gov
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The federal Reserve "System"?

Not private?

Not for profit? Really, I guess its a charity then. They LOVE americans soooooooo muchhhhhhh. LMAO!!!

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Because you are implying socialism and communism are the same thing, or almost the same thing. Guess what...your wrong! They are different systems.

Oh for heavens sake, I've said they are different twice now. Stop accusing me of saying things I have not said.

You said they were almost the same in your first post.

Now your changing your tune after I proved you wrong.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Mind games or what? If you don't know what a socialist republic is then look it up. You could say they wanted a capitalist republic but I will remain inclined to not believe that.

Apparently. You make statements that have little or nothing to do with the parts of my posts you're quoting and then act all huffy when I don't have a clue what you're getting at. What else am I supposed to do besides get confused?

All my points where spot-on but since your too lazy to do any research and want me to give you dozens of links, which then you will call BS why should I even bother?

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by brent81
[How about a paycheck for work done that actually pays the bills and allows one to save for rainy days? Why has the minimum wage lagged behind while the cost of living skyrockets?

The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage, it was intended solely to prevent people from being paid slave wages.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

Every single worker, white collar/blue collar/yellow collar, IS A SLAVE to the central bankers. The central bankers OWN EVERYONE without people even realising it.

The central bankers ARE the modern day "illuminati" whom can be traced to the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR in switzerland. It is NO COINCIDENCE switzerland has the laxest banking regulations in that it accepts RACKET money from anyone, the strictest client non-disclosure policies and that switzerland is NOT part of the EU, has always been "neutral" meaning covert nazi supporters....etc!

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umm...excuse me....but....

just what is a slave wage???

I mean, first, you have to invest in that slave, pay money, then, well, you have to house that slave, then feed him, clothe him, ect...ect...

otherwise, you slave is probably gonna die on you and well....
there goes your investment!!!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The quotes you posted don't prove they wanted capitalism anymore than they wanted socialism. The only thing they do prove is they were anti-communist. Hell even I am anti-communist!

I never said they wanted capitalism. Don't put words in my mouth.

The federal Reserve "System"?

Not private?

Not for profit? Really, I guess its a charity then. They LOVE americans soooooooo muchhhhhhh. LMAO!!!

They're supposed to be 'independent within the government'. Never said they were a charity, or that the FED is a good thing. Again, don't imply I said things that I never said.

You said they were almost the same in your first post.

Now your changing your tune after I proved you wrong.

You claimed it was communism, I said not quite that it was socialism, and then you started accusing me of saying the two are identical. Re-read our posts if you need to.

All my points where spot-on but since your too lazy to do any research and want me to give you dozens of links, which then you will call BS why should I even bother?

If they have nothing to do with what you're putting them in response to, I'm suppose to try to find the connection myself? Without knowing what point you're trying to make?

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

Originally posted by dawnstar
umm...excuse me....but....

just what is a slave wage???

Sorry, didn't realize that was a slang term that wouldn't be understood. Someone working for a slave wage is someone who is getting exploited by being paid less than what the work is worth. Those who work in sweat shops are paid a slave wage.

Source
Before the minimum wage was introduced during the Great Depression of the 1930s, there was no national minimum wage, or indeed any legislation to protect workers from exploitation. Because of this lack of regulation tens of thousands of workers were routinely exploited in sweatshops and factories, forced to work in horrible conditions and for pennies a week.

That was the reason the minimum wage was introduced. Not to give everyone a living wage. To make sure workers weren't being exploited by their employers.

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Arguing semantics and making baseless accussations means you had very little useful information to share. Grow up and learn how to argue!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Arguing semantics and making baseless accussations means you had very little useful information to share. Grow up and learn how to argue!

I find your response so wonderfully ironic I feel the need to thank you.

So the bottom line is this. Yes there are some who need and deserve these services. And yes I agree some are deserving and have paid their dues. But on the other hand there are those that abuse the system to further for their own gain. What I see in the future is not only are the tax payers getting robbed but also people who rightly deserve the services are going to see their benefits cut or lost to fill the lust for free entitlements.

Here's the shameful part. We now live in a society who's children have been born and bred to believe that one does not have to work for certain things. They believe that it has always been this way and their suppose to give it to them even though they don't deserve it. And most common people don't know or care to learn different. When one is confronted with the facts they'll just tell you "everybody else is doing it so I'm going to get my part too."

So again the story goes YOU OWE ME, AND YOU ARE GOING TO PAY".

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The quotes you posted don't prove they wanted capitalism anymore than they wanted socialism. The only thing they do prove is they were anti-communist. Hell even I am anti-communist!

I never said they wanted capitalism. Don't put words in my mouth.

Correct! You said they wanted a republic, but in actuallity they wanted a CONSTITUTIONAL republic so even going by the official terminology you are STILL WRONG!

Second what exactly is a constitutional republic? Does not EVERY COUNTRY have a constitution? Do you see why *a republic* or *a constitutional republic* is SO VAGUE?

Republics and Democracies are political systems and have NOTHING TO DO with economic systems therefore it is wise to clarify a republic by using an economic adjective in front. You even admitted this in a previous post, not that it matters.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The federal Reserve "System"?

Not private?

Not for profit? Really, I guess its a charity then. They LOVE americans soooooooo muchhhhhhh. LMAO!!!

They're supposed to be 'independent within the government'. Never said they were a charity, or that the FED is a good thing. Again, don't imply I said things that I never said.

If you don't believe the source your quoting, why bother copy&pasting stuff from it? Does not make sense! My sarcastical comments were not intended at you, rather they were intended at the information you posted.

That should have been obvious for most people, but apperently NOTHING is obvious to you.........

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

You said they were almost the same in your first post.

Now your changing your tune after I proved you wrong.

You claimed it was communism, I said not quite that it was socialism, and then you started accusing me of saying the two are identical. Re-read our posts if you need to.

In my thesaurus, *Not quite* is synonymous with *almost identical*.

Again socialism and communism have LITTLE in common. To use a proper analogy its like calling a capitalist a fascist which is simply a baseless, illogical claim and highely offensive.

Far left to far right economic spectrum:

Communism-Socialism-Capitalism-Fascism

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Correct! You said they wanted a republic, but in actuallity they wanted a CONSTITUTIONAL republic so even going by the official terminology you are STILL WRONG!

Who's arguing semantics again?

If you don't believe the source your quoting, why bother copy&pasting stuff from it?

Didn't say that either.

That should have been obvious for most people, but apperently NOTHING is obvious to you.........

I'm more of a say what you mean and mean what you say kinda girl when it comes to words on a screen.

Where's a shrugging smiley when you need one...

Again socialism and communism have LITTLE in common.

Yet you called it communism to begin with. Do you see yet why you have me confused as to what your argument even is?

Originally posted by Loken68
So the bottom line is this. Yes there are some who need and deserve these services. And yes I agree some are deserving and have paid their dues. But on the other hand there are those that abuse the system to further for their own gain. What I see in the future is not only are the tax payers getting robbed but also people who rightly deserve the services are going to see their benefits cut or lost to fill the lust for free entitlements.

Here's the shameful part. We now live in a society who's children have been born and bred to believe that one does not have to work for certain things. They believe that it has always been this way and their suppose to give it to them even though they don't deserve it. And most common people don't know or care to learn different. When one is confronted with the facts they'll just tell you "everybody else is doing it so I'm going to get my part too."

So again the story goes YOU OWE ME, AND YOU ARE GOING TO PAY".

One third of taxable income is uncollectible, the second third goes to pay the national debt and the last third goes to everything else. This is in regard to the federal budget and as you can see there is a TON OF WASTE!

Then the military and government payroll take a huge chunk out of that third, meaning almost nothing goes to a good cause. We might as well call the Federal Government a vampire.

State taxation is a different story but I doubt welfare is high up on their priority list. Most of the money goes elsewhere! I am all for welfare reform but I fear politicians would rather crash it than fix it. They are using the "lazy-minority" and "socialist" pills to black-mail it and deny those who really need it. It is no secret conservatives hate welfare, social security, public schools and just about everything public. For them its not about reform, its about dissolvement and as a socialist that pisses me off!

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they are being exploited.....
and interesting read if you care to read it...
www.realitysandwich.com...
basically, it says that up till the early 1970's, wages were correlating pretty much with productivity, then, well, since then productivity increased over 90%, wages remained flat or decreased...
but, well, if you are interested go ahead and read it, there's even some nice graphs and it goes into just what caused the most recent crash...

I heard somewhere that around 50% of the new jobs that will be created will be decent paying, mostly professional jobs, the other 50% will be the low merely substinance if that jobs.
that 50% are people we really do need for our economy to even hobble along! not only don't we owe them the means to survive, but it"S very important to our own self interest that they do survive!!
heck the fact that the gov't has had several programs, tax cuts, ect of late to to get money into the consumer's hands tells us that we also need them as consumers!!

Very good this thread has went further than I thought.