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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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Could you clear something up for me? because the way it comes across, those who you want to be refused help, does that include the disabled? the chronically ill, veterans, mentally ill, and everyone else who cant help the fact they can not work?

Are all those people included in your statement?

Just asking, but it does need an answer.




posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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I like how apacheman said that the economy is a shared resource, just like air and water.

Jenna:
It is easy to say that what one earns he does what he wants with it and no one can set a limit to what one can earn/control - but it is dangerous for all of us. Even the government agrees:
-Monopoly laws are in place so no entity can gather too much control
-The value of your money isn't decided by You
- It is illegal to destroy money
This is important because it tells us that you can't destroy a dollar bill, but you are free to BUY something with it then destroy the object you bought at will, therefore the wealth goes back to someone else.
So, 'your wealth' isnt really yours. Your wealth belongs to the entire country, no matter how rich one may become.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Loken68
Text Navy

You are now leaving the industrial age of the United States of America. Gone are the days of "I worked for what I got"
Welcome to the age of entitlement.

You owe me.
A free Birth.
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A free College education
A free Medical system.
A free pay check for no work.
A free food stamp package.
A free home.
A free car.
A free cell phone
And a free death and burial.

And guess what, If you work your going to pay for it. While I sit at home and play my X-Box and rake in the good life. Its the American way.

I am being sarcastic, but its true,


Do you live on planet mars?

Nothing in america, or on earth for that matter, is free of charge.

Pretty soon they gonna charge us "the clean air tax"....

Either your BSing us with republican propaganda(highely possible) or your a spoiled twenty year old that hasn't worked a day in his life. Get out, find a job paying $7.50/hour to see how easy it is paying bills, then come back and publicly apologise to everyone you offended.

It is overly-pampered WHITE KIDS(trash) such as yourself that grow up to be immature adults sucking the system dry. At least blacks and other minorities have an excuse growing up in desolated, under-privileged ghettos. YOU DON'T!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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let me put this as clearly as possible...hardworking taxpaying americans should not be paying a dime for anyone who is not working and paying taxes as well.It dosent matter if these people have children to take care of, or will make less working LOL, or wont b able to feed themselvs. most taxpayers have or will have kids, cant feed themselvs,and make # cash working, and we have to pay for people who dont?. so let me ask this, if you look at your money as "time credit" for working, than you are wasting time out of YOUR life for them to spent their time buying things with YOUR credit forthemselvs and/or the kids they are teaching to be the same way.
it is like this all over america and anyone who supports this does or at one point will benifit off taxpayers free money. i think il take a hit off the one thing they wont get taxes from me out of blublublublublubub....kshkshkshhhhshshshshshhhh....cough..cough..cough...get what im saying.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by apacheman
Chances are you're a Republican, "working" in the financial sector, and never produced a real product in your entire life.

It isn't the poor folk at the bottom who are the lazy parasites, it's those whose various ponzi schemes enable them to lead the easy life selling worhtless crap to the people they look down on.


Yeah I live with the so called poor in a large city, they grafittie my walls, throw their trash and beer bottles on my street while parked in their cars smoking crack. Everyday I pick up their cigerett butts, beer bottles and fast food trash off my sidewalk. These same poor live a few doors down in public housing, recieve foodstamps and seem to live without a care in the world since everthing is paid for them by the taxpayers.

The poor in america, at least the ones I pick up after, have it made in the shade, parked under the trees in front of my house smoking dope. Yeah I feel sorry for them every time I'm out outside picking up their trash off my lawn. I'll take the ponzi schemer any day over the trash talking and smoking punks that have taken over our cities.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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seriously earthcitizen an excuse? you deserve no better than to live in a ghetto after a comment like that....and a comment like is no less than expected fron someone from the ghetto... you know why there isnt any whites in ghettos its because we diddnt make any. we dream the goal and asparation to live a nice peacefull life, one that does not include being on welfare, wic, foodstamps ex. just to live and selling drugs to get designer clothes along with luxuries most hardworking americans cant evin afford. you say whites are the problem, I say your the goddamn problem... your all #in lazy and you live off the systems the op is talking about and youl never make anything of yourself to get out of the ghetto you complain about living in. its you who are the problem if there is one, i hope you enjoy the "desolation" youve created yourself in the "under-privilaged" ghetto you call home...please



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by pryed -eyed-one
... you know why there isnt any whites in ghettos its because we diddnt make any. we dream the goal and asparation to live a nice peacefull life,


There are plenty of whites who commit crimes. Have you never seen a trailer park?


one that does not include being on welfare, wic, foodstamps ex. just to live and selling drugs to get designer clothes along with luxuries most hardworking americans cant evin afford. you say whites are the problem, I say your the goddamn problem...


Another poster pointed out that the majority of people getting benefits are white.

I don't agree with Earthcitizen but really, your rant just sounds racist. As if there are not black people who work hard in this country.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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First of all, I don't live in a ghetto and neither would I want to live in a ghetto. I simply stated my opinion in regard to the OP's assumption that welfare is a big problem when in actuality it isn't.

Sure it could be reformed, but which dishonesty party in washington would care to reform it when they can simply let it die and then privitise it? Don't leave anything public because "its only for the minorities" and we rich, arrogant white folks living in stamford ct don't wanna pay a dime..


[edit on 6-5-2010 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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everything that somebody ever said posts or thinks about ethnicities is racist to someone who dosent look past others ethnicities. ive had enough of someone saying im wrong about this, i speak my mind, what i see and listewn to what i hear. when this is all i have ever seen or heard what else is there for my mind to takie in.and i live in what would be called a "ghetto" to most. and im not talking out of my ass, ive seen what i have stated and no less. and i never sated that whites commit no crimes or that blacks arent hardworking, thats not what i said, i said peopla are in ghettos becaus of their own doings, rite or wrong and all i have seen is wrong sorry. and as for whites we are probly the most arrogant mothereffers in the world but we still arent trash to ourselves or others, id say trash is anyone who needs excuses for why they have a # life either try makin it better or make the most out of it or shut the f(_)ck up.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Frankly I am sick of this crap you are spewing... Most of the Americans I know work hard to keep their families together, put food on the table and pay the bills that keep inflating
for god knows why... You guys come in here on your horses like Americans are crap people and its getting old. Next time you are in traffic, all those people sitting an hour to go ten miles, those are the lazy people you speak of. If you don't like America go some
where else, I don't care where, we support this greedy government, the greedy MIC and the greedy corporations, nothing is ever enough and you have the sack to accuse everyone of this? I will gladly pitch in for some feed so you and your high horse can move along to less lazy pastures...


If you don't understand why your bills are inflating, it is no wonder that OP didn't resonate with you. Your bills (and necessities) are inflating for 2 main reasons 1.) government is in the market, by that, I mean via entitlements, more people vying for the same stuff drives up prices, some of these people (i.e. looters) would not be able to bid up prices if they didn't have their hand out taking government money and 2.) THEY ARE PRINTING MONEY LIKE IT IS TOILET PAPER. The more cash in the system, the more expensive things are. If we both have $1 and I magically get one more, so that I have $2 and you have $1, I can now pay $1.25 to ensure I get what I want, prices go up. The evil of printing money (also known as inflation) is that the people (banks) that get to use it first are the ones that profit. This is the most insidious form of taxation and not many people get it.... that is why it is VITAL that we audit the Federal Reserve (btw, it isn't part of the government, it is a private bank).



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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well earthcitizen while i am white i am not rich and here living in boston ma welfare is a HUGE problem for us. so with that said i will apologise for my possibly rasist outburst but i do not vail my meanings with soft words when i get mad as i do not believe us whites are trash at all.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Yeah, I get it!

Anything that isn't private, IS A PROBLEM, hence socialism is a problem.

Only in america, land of "the free" and "home of the brave"...



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by Loken68

A free Birth.
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A free College education
A free Medical system.
A free food stamp package.
A free home.
And a free death and burial.


What is wrong with these things being given to each person? We all deserve an education and food. We all deserve to have our health, unless it is our fault that we are sick (Obesity, smoking, etc.). We all deserve food. We all deserve a home.

We do not deserve a phone, an x-box, a dog, a cat, an ipod, unless we work for it. If you want the fun stuff, you have to work, that is my philosophy.


You say we all deserve to have our health, unless it is our fault that we're sick? Who gets to decide what is good and bad for you. You're just begging for some gov agency to be created that makes the master list of all of the things you can and cannot do, or no health care for you.

Also, why does anyone "deserve" to have all of the things you listed. Yeah, if I can shoot money out of my arse, I'll help everyone, but last time I checked, it ain't happening. What you deserve is an "opportunity" to better yourself, then you bust it and earn what you need.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by TheOracle
It is easy to say that what one earns he does what he wants with it and no one can set a limit to what one can earn/control - but it is dangerous for all of us. Even the government agrees:
-Monopoly laws are in place so no entity can gather too much control
-The value of your money isn't decided by You
- It is illegal to destroy money
This is important because it tells us that you can't destroy a dollar bill, but you are free to BUY something with it then destroy the object you bought at will, therefore the wealth goes back to someone else.
So, 'your wealth' isnt really yours. Your wealth belongs to the entire country, no matter how rich one may become.


Control and money aren't necessarily one and the same. I could amass millions of dollars without having a monopoly on anything. Should I, as an individual, be subjected to wealth caps because a company with similar wealth does have a monopoly on something?

One person's wealth does not belong to the entire country, the physical representation of that wealth belongs to the government. Saying that one person's wealth belongs to all of us is a very dangerous road to start down. That is what leads to people feeling they are entitled to things just for being alive.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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I've done contract work for the dept. of social services. I've seen trash in all colors. Trash is trash. I've also seen people of all colors who desperately need a little assistance repeatedly get the run around. The system is a huge money making enterprise. It's more cost effective to give benefits to those who aren't very resourceful.

People who are trying are a little harder/more expensive to keep tabs on. They could be working for cash under the table or not reporting all their income. Caseworkers actually have to do their jobs when it comes to people who want to work. Calling employers to verify income/hours, hooking people up with job services etc. all takes man hours. This kind of focus on a fairly small group of people is not cost effective for the industry. Yes it's an industry. I wonder if in fact the welfare system depletes more resources or generates it.

I think many here would be amazed at how many outside contractors are making huge money off the system. Doctors/hospitals are a good example as are grocery stores, landlords etc. The government pays good. This is why hardworking people experiencing a temporary downturn are often left to their own devices. They aren't easy money and not wanted.

I would say a good percentage of those employed by the system are a mix of races but as you climb the ladder or follow the money things start getting a little paler. So who is really the trash? The people fooled into a life going nowhere or the greed mongers who've been allowed to create a vast money making industry in the name of helping unfortunates. It's wall street revisited. Who is it that's really draining/ruining our way of life?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by TheOracle
It is easy to say that what one earns he does what he wants with it and no one can set a limit to what one can earn/control - but it is dangerous for all of us. Even the government agrees:
-Monopoly laws are in place so no entity can gather too much control
-The value of your money isn't decided by You
- It is illegal to destroy money
This is important because it tells us that you can't destroy a dollar bill, but you are free to BUY something with it then destroy the object you bought at will, therefore the wealth goes back to someone else.
So, 'your wealth' isnt really yours. Your wealth belongs to the entire country, no matter how rich one may become.


Control and money aren't necessarily one and the same. I could amass millions of dollars without having a monopoly on anything. Should I, as an individual, be subjected to wealth caps because a company with similar wealth does have a monopoly on something?

One person's wealth does not belong to the entire country, the physical representation of that wealth belongs to the government. Saying that one person's wealth belongs to all of us is a very dangerous road to start down. That is what leads to people feeling they are entitled to things just for being alive.


The jump she hasn't made is that if one's wealth belongs to us all, then basically, that person's life belongs to us all. You cannot build wealth without expending YOUR time in creation of that wealth. If the wealth is a public good, then YOUR time is a public good as is YOUR life. They are all linked together and have to be looked at holistically.

This is the most dangerous and evil concept on the planet as it leads directly to slavery.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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Also to you, Apacheman- You're both right & that's the rub. Those "in the middle" (who aren't necessarily middle class or poor- say, working class for both) are getting squeezed from both sides and this is the problem/ why they are upset & angry. It really isn't fair. Of COURSE, there are people who are disabled or have illness or elderly and the whole point of social security is helping these people.
We have a social problem, though. Our society is broken in that it allows- no, actually promotes, the greedy (people like the bankers, CEOs of large corporations, athletes & celebrities) to make/ command more money than their GREAT grandchildren could ever spend in an AFFLUENT lifestyle.
That's kinda sick. Then, to top it off, these people are treated like demi-gods in the media and most of them are really Aholes about it.
Worse about that is the "captains of industry" are so intent on reaching demi-god status that they really screw the people working for them. I think it's ####ed up that a man can no longer comfortably (average, middle class style) support his wife & children
(2 or 3 kids). Society is suffering because it's taking 2 incomes & people are either worn out or their kids are running amok, essentially on their own. Part of that is wanting to be the Joneses, but still.
On the other side, there are people who have figured out they can sponge off of public assistance & they do. This isn't new. There is a Sherlock Holmes story about a guy who makes more money as a beggar than if he worked a "good" job. If the govt is going to provide assistance, then they need to do it right. And they don't. **This isn't something that is limited to "welfare queens" or poor people. One of DH's co workers- in a WELL paid job, and this woman, when she was 43 yrs old and her daughter was 13 (at a time when a young girl needs her mother the most) up & decided she wanted another child (she was single). She actually went around & deliberately got pregnant. Of course, her daughter- at 14, went to live with her dad. The woman could then continue to maintain the lifestyle to which she was accustomed (via child support to supplement her income). This is one of my pet peeves as my parents divorced when I was a baby & my mom didn't care if my dad payed child support or not. She went to business school when I was a baby & always worked a second job at Christmas or saving for vacation. We weren't rich, but I didn't exactly do without.

Our whole social structure is screwed up. I think it is as much (or more) a matter of what is socially acceptable, than what the government allows/ gives. If people took their business elsewhere & made it known why instead of lionizing the greedy. If they had sense enough to realize that you don't GET something for nothing & saved their money or bought a little rent house (& another, another as they could) instead of get-rich-quick/ pie-n-the-sky "investments" (which I think is just BEGGIN somebody to rip you off) and if people- contractors, vendors & employers, had the self respect to not cheat their clients when those clients paid them to provide something, things would be VERY different. **Our culture CONDONES the crafty & the clever when what that really means is do whatever it takes to get ahead, no matter what**
We have lost our self respect. OUR behavior holds a helluva lot more power than we acknowledge.

We also have a HUGE issue with our Congress having a sense of entitlement & acting on that yet doing nothing or screwing up. Surprising that the people go along with that.
That's another rant & I'm out of room.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jenna
Control and money aren't necessarily one and the same.


True, but if you happen to issue money then you control everything, including the government. This is true with the FED because it IS private.




Originally posted by Jenna
I could amass millions of dollars without having a monopoly on anything

Should I, as an individual, be subjected to wealth caps because a company with similar wealth does have a monopoly on something?


Last time I checked, corporations and individuals are not the same.

Further it is important to distinguish wealth caps from anti-trust laws. They are quite different concepts. One implies you can't make more than X dollars while the other suggests unfair/unethical business practice.


Originally posted by Jenna
One person's wealth does not belong to the entire country,


Indeed it belongs to the individual and/or corporation who made the money after due taxation.


Originally posted by Jenna
the physical representation of that wealth belongs to the government.


Why?


Originally posted by Jenna
Saying that one person's wealth belongs to all of us is a very dangerous road to start down.


That is communism!


Originally posted by Jenna
That is what leads to people feeling they are entitled to things just for being alive.


People are not entitled to anything for free, unless they can't work and need welfare payments. Too often people compare invalids with lazy bums and that is unfortunate.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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I have read through this entire thread all
for the sake of responding to the second
post. ( rather dumb of me )

Prionace;

I have in the past agreed with alot of your
posts but the one you made was the most
idiotic things I have read.

People who voted for Obama are lazy, welfare
recieving, entitlement seeking junkies? Thank
You, I really appreciate that.

I have never asked for or accepted a dime
of any of those entitlements. I guess that
you feel that you are ENTITLED to make such
a moronic comment like that.

I guess your elementary school and High
School were private and in no way subsidized
by the state or federal government.

If you attended public schools I think your
premise has been proven a joke.

Not that it has anything to do with this
thread, I voted for Obama because of Palin.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by capgrup
...I voted for Obama because of Palin.


Were you involved in the primaries or just the general election?



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