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posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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You're a lawyer. A law merchant who produces nothing tangible. I'm not sure that a guy who takes a secret oath to uphold the State's interests over those of other's, even their own clients, isn't really in much of a position to discuss ethics.




posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Trublue

Same all over the Western world, we even have this craziness


If You Cross The Australian Border Illegally You Get:



* A Job,

* A Drivers License,

* Welfare,

* Centre Link Card,

* Credit Cards,

* Subsidised Rent Or A Loan To Buy A House

* Free Education,

* Free Health Care

* A Lobbyist In Canberra

* Billions Of Dollars Worth Of Public Documents Printed In Your Language

* The Right To Carry Your Country’s Flag While You Protest That You Don’t Get Enough Respect

Now here is what you get if you cross illegally into these countries -




If You Cross The North Korean Border Illegally You Get 12 Years Hard Labor.

If You Cross The Iranian Border Illegally You Are Detained Indefinitely.

If You Cross The Afghan Border Illegally, You Get Shot.

If You Cross The Saudi Arabian Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed.

If You Cross The Chinese Border Illegally You May Never Be Heard From Again.

If You Cross The Venezuelan Border Illegally You Will Be Branded A Spy And Your Fate Will Be Sealed.

If You Cross The Cuban Border Illegally You Will Be Thrown Into Political Prison To Rot.




Hello my fellow Aussie. I guess you too believe in F*CK OFF WE'RE FULL!! I guess you too are a typical of my fellow white Aussie racist countrymen?

How about instead of spreading lies you read this:
theantibogan.wordpress.com...

Thankyou for not defiling my country anymore "TruBlue".



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Loken68
reply to post by apacheman
 


Actually I'm not into finance's. More to the business side. Now that you've left the original thread and went on the attack I'll commit you to iggy. It's a shame you can't carrying on a civil conversation without degrading to slander.

And also yes I have created something of use. A company that employees 245 hard working well paid Americans that are fed up with people milking the system and the one's who feed them so they can control them.



[edit on 6-5-2010 by Loken68]


Iggy me if you wish, that is your privelage. I am not attacking you or lawyers, personally. I am curious, these 245 hard working people- are they administrative types or are they producers. People payed to shuffle papers doesn't really produce anything but regulation and waste of resources. It's one thing to inventory the things you make and quite another to inventory someone else or their labour. Having held over 50 jobs, all of them were labour positions. That takes a toll on the mind and body and you pay into welfare to benefit from it when you do need it. As for those who abuse the system, lawyers find loopholes to abuse better than any non lawyer ever could (as a generalization, not saying that is what you strive to do, but, isn't it though?)



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Myth 1: 2+2=4.
Fact: When you add the numbers 2+2 you get 5. Worldwide mathematicians support this claim and admit that Australian politicians incorrectly endorse this concept.

Myth 2: The capital of Australia is Canberra.
Fact: while this misleading piece of information is commonly thought to be correct, the actual capital of Australia is Sydney.

Myth 3: The MCG is located in Melbourne.
Fact: This is not true. According to Lionel the carpenter down the street, the Melbourne Cricket Ground is actually located in Brisbane.

Now that I have shown how racist and intolerant you are, please donate to the cause and help increase our population. The truth is that Australia is massive! There is more than enough room for us to leave our borders open and take in as many Asylum Seekers as we can. Do you really want us to be seen in the eyes of the world as heartless and selfish? Please don't be fooled by those who try to use logic and reason to tell you otherwise.

[edit on 6/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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Yes, tax dollars can only be spent on wars and corporate handouts. Anything else is socialism or taxpayers wanting more than they deserve. Any taxes we pay are tribute offerings to our king, and we shouldn't expect anything in return.

/sarcasm

[edit on 6-5-2010 by Risen]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by apacheman
What we need are caps: it is societally inefficient to allow unlimited wealth. Capping wealth a $1 billion, mandatory economic retirement at that level, would eliminate a lot of problems. Trickle down works only if there is a ceiling.


Have to disagree with you there too. (I'm really disagreeable tonight, aren't I?
) I agree that people who have that kind of wealth don't really need that much. No one needs that much money. And I'll even admit to a bit of jealousy that they have that much. But it's not my place to tell them they can't have it. Could they have earned it through nefarious means? Sure. Could they have earned it legitimately? I'm sure it's possible, and I'd love to know how so I can do it too.
It's their money and no one has the right to tell them they can't have the money they earned. Or inherited for that matter.

It would make more sense, to me at least for whatever that's worth, to take away the benefits of exploiting people for cheap labor outside the country and give them more of an incentive to put that money to use hiring people inside the country instead. I'm not an economist by any definition, but I'm sure there is a way to do that through import taxes and things like that without resorting to a bunch of tax breaks for rich companies that would still entice them to hire people here for a living wage instead of slave labor elsewhere. That would help with getting people off welfare as well. Especially now when the job market is slim.


I for one agree with caps. The logic that, well, they do have quite a bit of money but let them keep it but I should be able to dictate how they spend it is contradictory to me. If they are entitled to it (again with entitlements) they are entitled to spend it as they see fit and not how others would have it spent. Otherwise you are just taking that money from them (capping their wealth) under the guise of letting them still have it. Don't defend not capping the wealth with let them keep it and spend it as I see fit. It's contradictory.

[edit on 6-5-2010 by PhyberDragon]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by skunknuts
 



Um there were no public schools till the late 1800s and no public highways till the 20th century up until then everything was done privately and voluntarily not by forced taxes


That's right. Children were laborers and there were no cars.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Oh another one. No wonder I choose not to fraternise much with strangers I meet who are my cultural equivalent. Nor do I usually bother arguing. Your nearsighted hatred consumes you too much.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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I Paid for:

A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A relatively cheap College education (State Colleges)
A free Medical system for when I am old or handicapped.
A free pay check during times when work is unavailable.
A free food stamp package if my employer will not pay me a living wage (ask an airline pilot)
A home that I don't have to worry about intruders breaking into or burning down thanks to a police and fire department.
The ability to drive on reliable roads without fear of 'highway bandits' (toll roads).
And a free death and burial. (Death is always free, and a box in 'potters field' is a pittance.

I paid for these with taxes and Social Security deductions.

We all pool in together to pay for this. We have the Government administrate it because it is 'of the people, by the people, and for the people" .

If we have Corporations administrate it, it is "for profit".
They are 'middlemen'.
If a Corporation does a terrible job at providing a good or service, but makes better profits, is that considered failure or success?
According to corporate charters and laws, that Corporation is a SUCCESS.
They are REQUIRED BY LAW to increase profits. Quality, service, 'fairness' (i.e. morals) are beneath profits.

I think our Gov't has been corrupted as well - the spending of Social Security, vast black budget, military budget, ridiculous tax cuts simultaneously - all for the PROFIT of individual careers - reelections.

Just because the hen house is in disrepair doesn't mean you go out trying to befriend the foxes! You fix the henhouse!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by believer81
Oh another one. No wonder I choose not to fraternise much with strangers I meet who are my cultural equivalent. Nor do I usually bother arguing. Your nearsighted hatred consumes you too much.


Another what? "racist white countryman that is defiling your country"? Actually from your posts it seems you prefer to befriend those who enter the country and try to obtain citizenship illegally. One would think you care more about those that want to live here, as opposed to those that already do.

I agree that it will be difficult debating an issue where emotion plays a bigger role than logic and reason. So unless you are afraid to stand by your beliefs and discuss the issue, perhaps you should take the easy way out and put me on ignore?

ETA: This member chose to ignore and put me on his foe list.

[edit on 6/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Wow, look at all the dumb people voting Democrat. It's still better than all those Republicans voting for dumb people!



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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...my apologies to the operator..I have to learn how to delete and altar my postings... My reply was deleted and must be re-written here... essentially I completely disagree with this kind of rhetoric and iI look to the motive of the person posting this as promogulating an idea of hate and class division at best..and at worst this person assumes a few years of education has made them 'better' than those who are least able to speak-out here for themselves. My telephone and internet cost 150 dollars a month because 'they' can get away with the monopoly. a person on welfare in canada gets about 500 dollars...and NONE that I have ever seen can afford an xbox

[edit on 6-5-2010 by shay_james]



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by skunknuts
reply to post by Loken68
 


Oh no!!!!!



Best,
SN


You got it. It's called in-cre-men-tal-is-m. Try looking it up. But your cute little pic leaves out some of the other planks of communism we are currently under, such as property tax (#1), graduated income tax (#2), central bank (#5), etc. Every step toward collectivism is a step away from the ideals that make this country great. In another generation we will be indistinguishable form Russia or China or god knows what, but it won't be America any longer. Your attempt at sarcasm is in fact a display of your ignorance.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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I understand how you feel I felt that way for awhile. My hubby & I worked low paying jobs in the little country town near us. Some laughed at me for working those jobs. One of my peers put me down for working for the "white man" I'm Native American/Mexican/Irish. I too put my "big girl pants" on and did what I had to do. I despised those women and felt so alone.

We bought a home in the country with only the very basics. We even had to haul our own water from town after the development went bankrupt. Everyone wants to live in the country but they won't live the way we have.

Over the years we watched our children flourish. They were always at the top of their class we got such good reports. Our sons graduated from college and have taken responsibility for themselves. Things like that money can't buy nor can they be given for free.

Now I see those same mothers who looked down on me long ago. They are going to court with their now grown children. They are scraping bail money together. They are visiting their children in prison. They are raising multiple grandchildren who were dropped at their door. It's ironic some of these grandmothers are receiving welfare funds to raise their grandchildren. The cycle of life continues. Hindsight is 20/20 many see how wrong they were and now their children reflect that.

My hubby started his own business. Now I work for him or not at all. We learned how to live on very little so his income is enough. I love where I live and now have time to enjoy it. I'm not worried all the time that my sons are getting in trouble or neglecting their wives/children. This alone validates all our hard work and doing without. You get out of life what you put in.

Our lifestyle has kept us slim and fit. We expect nothing, we provide for ourselves and take our bumps without falling apart. We don't go looking for someone to take control of our lives. That's what long term welfare recipients do. In exchange for support they allow the state to become their parent. So if this is what you want be my guest. It's there for the taking but the price is higher than you think.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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I stand by my beliefs but experience tells me people like you are too full of skin colour pride to waste time on. Putting you on ignore, like the rest of the civilised world usually does, allows for a much better personal outcome.

I befriend anyone that doesn't allow false racial pride get in the way of friendship.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Well, this is all cute isn't it.

So, let's sort out what we want here. No free education, ok. How do you propose to deal with the wave of illiterate people who will be created by the removal of public education? Let's just throw that out there for starters and see how that pans out.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Obviously you know nothing about the corporation and your birth certificate. Every American is a multi millionaire and they don't even know it.

There are several threads about it. Read them, I have made one. I will not elaborate here. But if those people filed the correct paperwork, YES, they would live for free and so would you. The Elite OWE you and I for all the natural resources they have stolen. A federal reserve "note" is an IOU for the gold and silve rthey stole from the publics hands in 1933. Do some damn research before you post crap like this.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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For starters we have long since left the Industrial Age here in the USA and have been in the Information Age for sometime now.

Henceforth as to why we are able to communicate via a website named AboveTopSecret.com which exists only in cyberspace at IP address 75.126.76.151 and is registered to SoftLayer Technologies, Inc.

I tire of these partisan politicking threads as well as those that perpetuate racial stereotypes amongst the Liberal Obama supporters.

For starters, by simply looking at the Demographics and US population statistics, Blacks represent approximately 12.4% of the entire US population. Whereas Whites account for approximately 75%.

Therefore, There HAD to have been considerably more non Black supporters of Obama in order to have won the election.

That also leaves 87.6% of the remaining population in which to share the votes for Obama as well as 87.6% of the US Population in which to dole out the remainder of welfare to.

So as far as our tax dollars are concerned, simply due to the sheer numbers, more of our money is going to Whites who consist of the majority in the form of welfare/assistance than is going to Blacks.

I used to own rental properties here in NH, and fortunately for me, I sold all of my holdings before the downturn in the real estate market began in 2007.

Let me tell you, I encountered all of this sense of entitlement with WHITE people when it came to paying their rent and as well as their accountability and their fiscal responsibilities were concerned.

It all boils down to the same common denominator and that is POVERTY.

I encountered all of this from poor WHITE people.

From Lying about the lease application info and/or agreements in order to get in the apartment and then not paying, to asking if I would accept welfare checks in lieu of payment and/or converting my property to Section 8 status. Where I would be paid by the government.

The WHITE woman who signed a lease agreement, only to have her WHITE Boyfriend who doesn't work and is permanently on disability move in and sat on the couch watching his widescreen TV all day long.

Who also shot up the walls of the unit with a paintball gun before I had to force them out for non payment of rent.

So when I see blatant stereotyping of one category of people with out fair representation, I have to call it as I see it, and that is as being Biased and Unfair.

Because doing the math, it has been proven that about the same percentages of the population collect welfare at around 38% White and Black.


But if Black people represent only 12.4% of the population, then with the remaining 87.6% of the US population there are certainly numerically and statistically more White and other people, collecting welfare in which we should and could complain about as well.

But interestingly enough, we don't see much of that here on ATS.

I often times wonder why ?





posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by TheSearchforSpork
reply to post by Loken68
 


I Paid for:

A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A relatively cheap College education (State Colleges)
A free Medical system for when I am old or handicapped.
A free pay check during times when work is unavailable.
A free food stamp package if my employer will not pay me a living wage (ask an airline pilot)
A home that I don't have to worry about intruders breaking into or burning down thanks to a police and fire department.
The ability to drive on reliable roads without fear of 'highway bandits' (toll roads).
And a free death and burial. (Death is always free, and a box in 'potters field' is a pittance.

I paid for these with taxes and Social Security deductions.

We all pool in together to pay for this. We have the Government administrate it because it is 'of the people, by the people, and for the people" .

If we have Corporations administrate it, it is "for profit".
They are 'middlemen'.
If a Corporation does a terrible job at providing a good or service, but makes better profits, is that considered failure or success?
According to corporate charters and laws, that Corporation is a SUCCESS.
They are REQUIRED BY LAW to increase profits. Quality, service, 'fairness' (i.e. morals) are beneath profits.

I think our Gov't has been corrupted as well - the spending of Social Security, vast black budget, military budget, ridiculous tax cuts simultaneously - all for the PROFIT of individual careers - reelections.

Just because the hen house is in disrepair doesn't mean you go out trying to befriend the foxes! You fix the henhouse!


Again, the government IS a for profit corporation and that is why there are lobbyists to steer the ship. NONE of your tax dollars paid FOR ANYTHING you have posted, read my above post.

ALL tax dollars go to pay for the interest on the federal debt which TPTB claim WE owe, did you create the debt? I didn't, therefore I owe them nothing, I am not a federal employee nor a state empolyee, so why would I pay any "income taxes" to a group of extortionists?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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You know what I think is funny? Out of every thing I have heard people say that they want, the thing I heard the fewest was peace. We have countries warring with countries. Governments warring with citizens. Citizens warring with citizens. Husbands warring with wives. Parents warring with children. Everything in this world has turned into a fight. The only thing you are born with a right to nowadays, is the right to fight.



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