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Originally posted by Trublue
Same all over the Western world, we even have this craziness
If You Cross The Australian Border Illegally You Get:
* A Job,
* A Drivers License,
* Centre Link Card,
* Credit Cards,
* Subsidised Rent Or A Loan To Buy A House
* Free Education,
* Free Health Care
* A Lobbyist In Canberra
* Billions Of Dollars Worth Of Public Documents Printed In Your Language
* The Right To Carry Your Country’s Flag While You Protest That You Don’t Get Enough Respect
Now here is what you get if you cross illegally into these countries -
If You Cross The North Korean Border Illegally You Get 12 Years Hard Labor.
If You Cross The Iranian Border Illegally You Are Detained Indefinitely.
If You Cross The Afghan Border Illegally, You Get Shot.
If You Cross The Saudi Arabian Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed.
If You Cross The Chinese Border Illegally You May Never Be Heard From Again.
If You Cross The Venezuelan Border Illegally You Will Be Branded A Spy And Your Fate Will Be Sealed.
If You Cross The Cuban Border Illegally You Will Be Thrown Into Political Prison To Rot.
Originally posted by Loken68
reply to post by apacheman
Actually I'm not into finance's. More to the business side. Now that you've left the original thread and went on the attack I'll commit you to iggy. It's a shame you can't carrying on a civil conversation without degrading to slander.
And also yes I have created something of use. A company that employees 245 hard working well paid Americans that are fed up with people milking the system and the one's who feed them so they can control them.
[edit on 6-5-2010 by Loken68]
Originally posted by Jenna
Originally posted by apacheman
What we need are caps: it is societally inefficient to allow unlimited wealth. Capping wealth a $1 billion, mandatory economic retirement at that level, would eliminate a lot of problems. Trickle down works only if there is a ceiling.
Have to disagree with you there too. (I'm really disagreeable tonight, aren't I? ) I agree that people who have that kind of wealth don't really need that much. No one needs that much money. And I'll even admit to a bit of jealousy that they have that much. But it's not my place to tell them they can't have it. Could they have earned it through nefarious means? Sure. Could they have earned it legitimately? I'm sure it's possible, and I'd love to know how so I can do it too. It's their money and no one has the right to tell them they can't have the money they earned. Or inherited for that matter.
It would make more sense, to me at least for whatever that's worth, to take away the benefits of exploiting people for cheap labor outside the country and give them more of an incentive to put that money to use hiring people inside the country instead. I'm not an economist by any definition, but I'm sure there is a way to do that through import taxes and things like that without resorting to a bunch of tax breaks for rich companies that would still entice them to hire people here for a living wage instead of slave labor elsewhere. That would help with getting people off welfare as well. Especially now when the job market is slim.
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by skunknuts
Um there were no public schools till the late 1800s and no public highways till the 20th century up until then everything was done privately and voluntarily not by forced taxes
Originally posted by believer81
Oh another one. No wonder I choose not to fraternise much with strangers I meet who are my cultural equivalent. Nor do I usually bother arguing. Your nearsighted hatred consumes you too much.
Originally posted by skunknuts
reply to post by Loken68
Originally posted by TheSearchforSpork
reply to post by Loken68
I Paid for:
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A relatively cheap College education (State Colleges)
A free Medical system for when I am old or handicapped.
A free pay check during times when work is unavailable.
A free food stamp package if my employer will not pay me a living wage (ask an airline pilot)
A home that I don't have to worry about intruders breaking into or burning down thanks to a police and fire department.
The ability to drive on reliable roads without fear of 'highway bandits' (toll roads).
And a free death and burial. (Death is always free, and a box in 'potters field' is a pittance.
I paid for these with taxes and Social Security deductions.
We all pool in together to pay for this. We have the Government administrate it because it is 'of the people, by the people, and for the people" .
If we have Corporations administrate it, it is "for profit".
They are 'middlemen'.
If a Corporation does a terrible job at providing a good or service, but makes better profits, is that considered failure or success?
According to corporate charters and laws, that Corporation is a SUCCESS.
They are REQUIRED BY LAW to increase profits. Quality, service, 'fairness' (i.e. morals) are beneath profits.
I think our Gov't has been corrupted as well - the spending of Social Security, vast black budget, military budget, ridiculous tax cuts simultaneously - all for the PROFIT of individual careers - reelections.
Just because the hen house is in disrepair doesn't mean you go out trying to befriend the foxes! You fix the henhouse!