You owe me and you are going to pay!

Originally posted by apacheman
It isn't the poor folk at the bottom who are the lazy parasites, it's those whose various ponzi schemes enable them to lead the easy life selling worhtless crap to the people they look down on.

Gonna have to disagree with you a bit on that one. Many of the poor folk at the bottom are indeed lazy parasites. I know because I've seen many of them with my own eyes. These people haven't worked in the last 5 years or longer, collect welfare checks every month, live in rent controlled buildings that are paid for with government funds, and receive free health care because they don't have jobs. What's wrong with them? Nothing.

I've actually been told by more than one person that they get more from welfare than they would for working so why bother getting a job. I've personally known people (past tense because I don't associate with them any longer) who got a divorce and had another baby so they'd get more welfare money. I've also known people whose main concern was how they were going to pay for things with their welfare money once their kids moved out since they'd lose the money they were getting every month for having those kids live with them.

Parasites come in all shapes and sizes, including those who are considered poor folk on the bottom.

What is wrong with these things being given to each person? We all deserve an education and food. We all deserve to have our health, unless it is our fault that we are sick (Obesity, smoking, etc.). We all deserve food. We all deserve a home.

We do not deserve a phone, an x-box, a dog, a cat, an ipod, unless we work for it. If you want the fun stuff, you have to work, that is my philosophy.


The thing I see wrong is the crack heads sitting at home drawing disability and food stamps. Also for good measure, The dead beat dad's that will not work and getting entitlements that the laws says they cannot get.

I saw a guy the other day that is 25 grand behind in cs but was getting pell and hope grants to go to school......jeeezzuuuss

Ya know i have read all the replys here and i want to throw my say on this.
Somewhere in another thread i think i said some of this but i will state it again here. I understand what the Op is saying. It makes perfect sense to me. I work. I have always worked. Well that is once my dad finally told me what a bum i was at age 25. (I am now 41.) I had no problem up until then quitting jobs and letting my wife work and pay the bills. My ol man straightened me out and let me know how disgusted he was with me when i asked him if he was proud of me one day. He was raised the old american southern way of work hard and take care of your family. Family is ALWAYS first. Your a man and as such you work to provide for your family even if you have to dig ditches!!

I was one of those lazy bums who would rather take than give and that is not how i was raised. All my life he ingrained it into me, his work ethic and family ethic. I just was acting like alot of kids do during my time and wanting everything handed to me and didnt want to pay for it.

Well after that day i changed. ALL i ever wanted was to make my father proud of me. I didnt become rich or successful but i did work and i did provide for my family. I have ever since then and i continue to now. Even when my wife left me, I still paid her child support even before there was a court order saying so.

Now my daughter is grown and on her own and i raise my 9 yr old son because his mother is a looser and is no mother. I work hard and have very little for myself. Everything i have goes to him. Oh yeah i do have stuff yes, but my son comes first in everything. Does his mother help me in anyway? NOPE. She is exactly like what the OP was refering to. Her and so many others i personally know.

The short version of this story is this. She lives off welfare and food stamps. She can work but doesnt. She is lazy as the day is long. She has a kid from one dude after me who also couldnt keep a job for more than a month. She gets WICC, welfare, medicaide, foodtsamps, and TANIF.

Every type of government program out there you can get into she is. Does she need it? Oh yeah because she wont work. Can she work? You bet. We both did when we were together because at the time i thought we both wanted what was best for our kids. To try and give them the best we could. Her new boyfriend doesnt work either. He gets a government check for disability. Can he work? You bet. He had a job when she first met him. She convinced him he didnt need to work, that between his check and her foodstamps and other government help they could live for free. She doesnt report his checks or that he even lives with her. He posts another address for his checks to come to. Does she offer me any money for her 9yr old son to help me raise him? NOPE. Am i angry about this? HELL YES!
She just recieved an income tax refund and although i dont know how large it was, she used the money to buy said boyfriend a brand new xbox 360 elite. She buys our son a USED bicycle from a pawn shop that is literally falling apart.

I wont go into all the neglect my son suffered while he was with her or all the roaches they have or the piles and piles of dog crap everywhere in their house. Hence why he lives with me because i do care about his life, and his future. I dont need her. I work and i will spend every last dime i have to see my son into a good future if there is one to be had. But i am so sick and tired of those who live on easy street because they can manipulate the system and get away with it. They live for free and have stuff i dont even have. Because she is now on housing her rent is like 59 dollars a month so they get to afford cable tv, internet, games for the xbox and her nintendo DS. They brag about how they have this and have that and it makes me physically sick!! ( i dont even have cable or internet because i cannot afford it.)

Yes my friends there are people out there who do have money for xbox games and do have money for gas for their cars and etc etc who dont work. And there are alot of them.

My girlfriend recently called a woman out the other day at Krogers because she paid for her groceries with a lone star card. Thats the foodstamp card for texas. She took said card out of a dooney and burke pocket book that was in her dooney and burke purse! Oh yeah. Wonder why she can afford D&B? because she aint paying for groceries to stuff down her neck. My GF also has expensive purses and shoes etc because she has money so she called the woman out saying "oh hey you got a lonestar card? Wow where can i get one. I sure would love to be able to have free food too." LOL
Now i did think this was in poor taste because i dont make scenes in public places but i get where she was going and i understand her anger. It really pisses me off to no end how people rape the country i am paying to support. Why are my tax dollars being so poorly used.

Yeah i agree with you OP. If anyone wants to either come to this country or even if your born here and just want to bend us hard working tax paying citizens over and ram it home then it doesnt take anything more than to just APPLY for whatever government assistance they offer. Just make sure to lie about your real income because they wont check. Living the free life is the american dream or so it seems these days.
Yeah i know that all those cars out there are people going to and fro from work but know this. My exwife is also one of those cars out there on the road using OUR tax dollars to pay for her and boyfriend #2 to go to the movies and to the mall to buy shoes and whatever else she wants. Kinda makes me have warm fuzzys for my government and the systems they set up with all those beautiful holes in them for people to take advantage of.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by fizzy1]

Originally posted by Loken68
Text Navy

You are now leaving the industrial age of the United States of America. Gone are the days of "I worked for what I got"
Welcome to the age of entitlement.

You owe me.
A free Birth.
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A free College education
A free Medical system.
A free pay check for no work.
A free food stamp package.
A free home.
A free car.
A free cell phone
And a free death and burial.

And guess what, If you work your going to pay for it. While I sit at home and play my X-Box and rake in the good life. Its the American way.

I am being sarcastic, but its true,

I would like to ask what your contribution to society has been? Some of us have lost our ability to be contributors to the system because we gave our life to your way of your freedom. I don't feel quilty in any way whatsoever. Why.... cause I wrote my blank check up to including my life to the military. I don't ask for a handout, just a hand up. I earned it. So I can earnestly say you can stuff it.

Now, if your basing your opinion on stereotypical welfare recipients, you are still wrong. Yes, there are many people taking advantage of the system. But there are those that are legitimate in requiring subsistance for their absolute needs.

People like you view the invalid, aged, homebound, and terminally ill like pariah on society. Just keep in mind, we paid for it (social services) through social security, taxes and contribution to society.

Really, I would like to know what great attributes you gave to society that makes you omnipotent. Again, Like another post I contributed to, you must be young and indestructible.

Good luck in not getting sick or impaired by an automobile accident or other freakish thing.

The government created back up systems to defend the sick and needy. Do you really think your are beyond getting sick or being involved in an unfortunate accident?

Would you like to see us put anyone sick and infirmed put to death? Bet you would not like that. Anyone over 40 should be terminated. Makes good fiscal sense to me.

Oh, but your grandma needs her heart medication.....lets watch her die a horrible death because medicaid decided she was not worth it.

Grow up.

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by babybunnies

 

So why aren't you paying me for the stuff you use that my tax money paid for?

I'm the one who invested in the interstate sytem, not you. Why should you get to use it for free? Same with bridges, airports and harbors.

If you don't live and pay taxes in my state, then you cheap-ass freeloaders need to pay every time you use our roads.

People are born into a prebuilt world and think they own it to the point of be unwilling to share it or its benefits with others.

What hubris!

Do you charge admission to your house to make sure no cheap freeloaders enter? Actually though he does pay it's called gasoline tax. But he ought not to have to pay if he doesn't use your roads and thats the problem socialist can't seem to understand. If socialism is so wonderful then make it all voluntary and see how long it lasts.


[edit on 5-5-2010 by hawkiye]

reply to post by brilab45


There's quite a difference between someone needing a hand up and people just looking for a hand out. I've never heard anyone say that people shouldn't get a little help getting back on their feet when they need it.

reply to post by Jenna


The sad fact is that if by taking a job you wind up with less, then you owe it to your family to be on welfare.

It's all well and good to prate on about the dignity of work and self-suffieciency, but I've seen folks weep in frustration because they couldn't afford to work because the pay offered was too far below what they were making on welfare when you counted food stamps and child healthcare.

When someone with children goes off welfare, they have to :

Pay for childcare.

Pay increased transportation costs.

Pay for healthcare.

Lose time and energy that would otherwise go to raising their children.

Working can be expensive, especially if you're working a minimum wage job, doubly so if it is part-time. Then again, if you are laid off, you'll have to jump through hoops to get on again, if indeed you can.

So unless you can move to a secure job at above minimum wage, you would be doing your family a disservice and endanger them by working for a sub-living wage.

These people didn't make the rules or the economy, and get very little benefit from it.

And for the record, I've worked hard all my life, have never been on welfare, and have more compassion for my fellow humans than most of the well-to-do have.

reply to post by Trublue


Well how did they cross the Australian border?

Last time I looked Australia was a island!

Where did they come from Tasmania?

Hawaii has no illegal problem because it is a group of islands in the middle of the Pacific.

Heck if you Aussies can't keep illegals out of your big old island you all have real problems down there.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Oneolddude]

reply to post by apacheman


I've tried to come up with a way to put this that doesn't make me sound like an insensitive ass and I can't come up with one that still gets my point across. So yes, I know I what I sound like in this post but I just can't come up with a nicer way to put it. Believe me, I've tried because I really don't want to sound that way when that's not how I mean it. (

brilab45
I would like to ask what your contribution to society has been? Some of us have lost our ability to be contributors to the system because we gave our life to your way of your freedom. I don't feel quilty in any way whatsoever. Why.... cause I wrote my blank check up to including my life to the military. I don't ask for a handout, just a hand up. I earned it. So I can earnestly say you can stuff it.

Now, if your basing your opinion on stereotypical welfare recipients, you are still wrong. Yes, there are many people taking advantage of the system. But there are those that are legitimate in requiring subsistance for their absolute needs.

People like you view the invalid, aged, homebound, and terminally ill like pariah on society. Just keep in mind, we paid for it (social services) through social security, taxes and contribution to society.

Really, I would like to know what great attributes you gave to society that makes you omnipotent. Again, Like another post I contributed to, you must be young and indestructible.

Good luck in not getting sick or impaired by an automobile accident or other freakish thing.

The government created back up systems to defend the sick and needy. Do you really think your are beyond getting sick or being involved in an unfortunate accident?

Would you like to see us put anyone sick and infirmed put to death? Bet you would not like that. Anyone over 40 should be terminated. Makes good fiscal sense to me.

Oh, but your grandma needs her heart medication.....lets watch her die a horrible death because medicaid decided she was not worth it.

Grow up.

brilab45
Woe up friend. To me you are a Hero. And I didn't point out veterans,the sick, the elderly or the impaired. What I'm saying is that if you don't deserve it you don't get it. If all you can do is produce babies for welfare, somebody needs to stop it. If your on unemployment and its supporting your drug habit, that needs to be stopped. Look dude We've saw children getting free lunches at school dressed like crap get into their mothers escalade after school. We've saw prostitutes working school zones buying food with F.S. But the honest guy like you who's paid there dues can't get help for crap.
My grandmother retired and disabled was offered (9) that is nine dollars a months food stamps. She gets 900 dollars a month SS in which is gone after utilities. What do I do? put in a nursing home? No I carry her home and take care of her myself.



[edit on 5-5-2010 by Loken68]

Originally posted by Loken68
Text Navy

You are now leaving the industrial age of the United States of America. Gone are the days of "I worked for what I got"
Welcome to the age of entitlement.

You owe me.
A free Birth. Not the case!
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A free College education Not the case!
A free Medical system.
A free pay check for no work. Not the case!
A free food stamp package. Not the case!
A free home. Not the case!
A free car. Not the case!
A free cell phone Not the case!
And a free death and burial.

And guess what, If you work your going to pay for it. While I sit at home and play my X-Box and rake in the good life. Its the American way.

I am being sarcastic, but its true,

Given that at least 7 out of the 11 things you posted aren't as you stated...I'm not sure you make a good point

But yeah, down with educating the population and let them rott in the streets instead of burrying them.

reply to post by hawkiye

Do you charge admission to your house to make sure no cheap freeloaders enter? Actually though he does pay it's called gasoline tax. But he ought not to have to pay if he doesn't use your roads and thats the problem socialist can't seem to understand. If socialism is so wonderful then make it all voluntary and see how long it lasts.

The part you're missing is that even if you don't personally use the roads you still benefit from them. How do you suppose the food gets to the store, the mail gets to your door, or the raw materials get to your place of business.

Personally, I'm tired of the attitude that if government just got out of my way I would be so much better off. We all contribute to society so we can all reap the benefits. There will always be people at the top, bottom, and even in the middle that will take advantage of the system to be lazy or take more than their fair share.

How do we deal with those low life's......I'm not up to going go out and personally kick their butts. So I expect the system we have created to handle that problem, and if they don't then we as a society need to work to make that happen, instead of bickering about who is worse or who's fault it is.

reply to post by Loken68


Unfortunatley, your are right about people producing other human beings as an outlet to collect benefits and not be contributors to society.

However, we can not ingore the innocent children brought up by the entitlement people. Yes, we agree upon that point.

Clinton (Bill) largely tried to eliminate that problem. We need tougher stances on reproduction and the poor illiterate who know nothing more than how to milk the system. Its hurts us all. We have generations of people grown up on entitlement.

So, I do apologize if went haywire on you. You are valid in my tiny humble opinion.

Nothing but love.

Edited to add star and flag for me being over zealous.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by brilab45]

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Loken68
Text Navy

You are now leaving the industrial age of the United States of America. Gone are the days of "I worked for what I got"
Welcome to the age of entitlement.

You owe me.
A free Birth. Not the case!
A free elementary school education with lunches.
A free high school education with lunches.
A free College education Not the case!
A free Medical system.
A free pay check for no work. Not the case!
A free food stamp package. Not the case!
A free home. Not the case!
A free car. Not the case!
A free cell phone Not the case!
And a free death and burial.

And guess what, If you work your going to pay for it. While I sit at home and play my X-Box and rake in the good life. Its the American way.

I am being sarcastic, but its true,

Given that at least 7 out of the 11 things you posted aren't as you stated...I'm not sure you make a good point

But yeah, down with educating the population and let them rott in the streets instead of burrying them.

1.Free birth 1 state: paid births
2. Free college:college also pell grants.
3. Welfare
4.food stamps being robbed to death as is # 3
5.free car car free
6.free cell phone phone
Need to do your research before saying things are untrue.

I hope the whole system crashes. So the people that have always have their hands out and think everything is "free". Finally get to see what it takes to work for a living, just so they can eat for the day.

I don't really care if it makes me sound insensitive, the rate things are going we are going to have to live in a situation like the Wild West where if you wanted to eat you had to do something to earn your meal, not sit back and collect a check off the labor of other people.

I'm really tired of hard working people being enslaved by the banks and government by having their buying power taxed from them before they even get it so the willing slaves get to have a roach infested apartment to live in along with food and big screen TV's.

Don't really care what you think about it, but I've come to realize the only way the "give me" crowd is ever going to change the way they think is when they are forced to actually do something other than figure out a way to collect a bigger check from the government.

I'm not a afraid of death, but many people are afraid of reality.

reply to post by Jenna


I sincerely hope your education pays for itself, and I applaud your efforts.

But please don't make the error of thinking that an education will get you a job, or better opportunities.

I know what I'm talking about: I taught on the college level for many years, and found that many of my students put themselves into debt based on illusions. They forgot that there's a few hundred thousand other people out there educating themselves for the same so-called career. After awhile teaching I noticed a pattern: the jobs that were high-paying enough to warrant going into debt for wound up paying much less after a few years, good old supply and demand. Compare what computer jobs paid in the eighties and what they pay now, for instance. Far too many of my students wound up having to "retrain" over and over again in an effort to make themselves more employable. Some still can't find work.

Don't let that discourage you from getting an education, though. A good education is important for more than just getting a job. Just remember that a college degree and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee if you're lucky. Do try to avoid college loans, though or you'll find yourself mired in unpayable debt. I'd look at sholarships and grants and pay close attention to the direction the job markets are going.

I wish you the best of luck, and hope you'll have a little more compassion for those who are stuck in worse circumstances than yours.

I always stressed to my students that learning how to think was vastly more important than learning what to think, and that all good educational processes are built from this.

reply to post by Loken68


Medicaid ain't free, bub.

It's paid for through various taxes over the lifetime of most who use it. Your position is analogous to complaining that someone had the audacity to actually file an insurance claim on their insurance company.

Most of your other links don't work.

So what makes you not a waste of skin? What have you contributed to society that gives you the right to bellyache about someone getting the help they need?

reply to post by apacheman


I was actually offered a job yesterday that pays quite a bit more than my last job did and I highly suspect the reason I got it is because of the degree I'm working on and the reasoning I gave them for my choosing it. It's a likely boring story from my interview so I won't bore people with it here. Long story short, it's the same degree I've been working on for two years but I gave a different reason for picking it than I usually do and was offered the job three hours after I got home from the interview.

I feel for the people who can't get ahead no matter what they do. I really do. I've been in a spot where I couldn't get a job paying more than $6.50 an hour, couldn't get any help, and had a baby to think about so I know how hard it can be. The difference I see between myself and many people on welfare though, is I cried about it for a few days then put on my big girl pants and swore it would never happen again instead of just giving in, admitting defeat, and not trying to make it better. Oh good heavens, I think I just had a Scarlet O'Hara moment...

reply to post by Jenna


Lol, good for you. I'm happy for you, and hope the job lasts long enough to pay some of those loans off.

But try to remember that you don't know what's going on in other peoples' live and spirits. Think of how many different little things might have caused stuff to go differently for you: missing a crucial test because your child was sick, for instance, and having to retake a class, slowing you down for a semester.

I've had students who fell ill and dropped out, try again and have something else happen out of their control and lose heart. You just don't know why or how that person on welfare got there, and to assume that it is due to laziness or lack of drive just strikes me as being a little too self-righteous.

I knew a guy once who was gung-ho to support the military, soldiers deserved every bit of our support, etc, etc, who flipped out when I gave a panhandler some cash, telling me that it only encouraged laziness. Pissed me off because the guy I gave money to was a disabled vet, crippled in the service of the smug ass who had no use for him after he was wounded and couldn't support himself anymore.

Just because you can support yourself right now doesn't mean you will be able to tomorrow.

[edit on 6-5-2010 by apacheman]

reply to post by Jenna

LISTEN, HERE's WHY THIS WON'T WORK!!!!!

I'm all for putting food in babie's mouth's. I like the idea that a family should have a safe place to sleep. BUT, if the lower class wanted it they would achieve it. Here's my personal story.

My sister and brother in law have 3 kids. Even though my sister and BIL are on welfare, they make sure they work x amount of hours per year so that they can collect child tax credits. They make more money than me on welfare and I make 24/per hour. On top of this they sell their food allowance money for cash money to buy bull# like cigarettes/pills/alcohol etc.

They are NOT the only ones doing this. Everyone around them does this. My sister is 26 and brother in law is 27. I hate the because they, like many people who think life is a right, aren't pursuing their own happiness, they're leeching off society. They both can go join the service like I did and make just as much money as being on welfare AND serve their country.

I really don't care too much because guess what. Guess where most poor people who think it's ok to STEAL from the middle class because their too STUPID to realize where the money comes from? Yeah, all piled together in the big cities.........big targets. You could take out thousands with one stone....or whatever else you wanted. Guess who can't farm and live without the governments help? O yeah, poor people who live congested in big cities. I laugh when I say that I fear no civil war. We got them right where we want them. They're too stupid to even realize that they're already in gigantic concentration camps already called the Metropolitan. Don't worry about the weaker members of society because let's get real, somebody has to wash the dishes.

A government that has the power to provide you with everything has the power to take it all away. Once the government has been "restructured", the ignorant thieves we call the poor class will be just one more mess to mop up.