The Self, the Universe, and Regent Leo

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


this is you not anything you proove especially when you are refuting what another one say
if facts dont create awareness then awareness dont create facts and surely never stand on, look at you
obviously you want to profit from void and all creations as facts leading to same certainty being you existing, that is you and nothing else

meaning the source of first move as positive will cannot be then used for justifying self moves defenses, it is too complete independant and separate issues and you proove how you mean to confuse all only to be one you alone

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


We already have an idea or concept which has poluted the pure, we live with concepts and have no clear perception anymore.
Perception of an object would be similair, one sees a tree, the other sees the same.
But this is just the eye wathing in the world of matter.
I think the other kind of perception is of more importance, like having an insight of the false in the real.
We have made our reality and are living a conceptual way of life.

reply to post by imans


How many imans does it take to understand an iman, what is there to understand awareness creates facts you are aware that you exist therefore you create a fact why you exist, if you believe that facts create awareness then your saying you dont exist. Wich comes first, in the dessert the awareness that its hot or the fact that its hot. If someone never has been to a desert like an eskimo person, has little concept of heat. Lets say you tell him a fact the dessert is hot, your telling him abouth an island idea brought about by awareness, some have been in the dessert. But hot to him would be when when he could survive with one less pice of clothing that keeps body heat in. So his fact and the ones in the dessert are not the same. But they are awaree of heat. And your making an absumption abouth me when you say I want to profit from the void, if you knew anything of the void you would know nothing profits from the void the void conquers all, thats your fear not mine.

If your confused then you believe that you have something that I would want to change or take, but I assure you...you have nothing I want to change, it's all passing interests, mostly because im bored.

reply to post by godddd


It is the way of the world we live in accepted concepts of the world, brought about by our limited understanding of the universe or god or gods or whatever tickles your fancy. Its an agreed apon existence look at those that argue abouth politics what do they arguee abouth, socialism, capitalism, communism, fascism, those are all just words they mean nothing. What they argue abouth is there misinterpretation of events that they can relate to, one mans evil is anothers good, majority consensus they agreed apon, but its just that majority perceptions of concepts. Capitalism is good but when the banksters want to capitalize on missconceptions and bankrupt a continent thats still capitalism, they did nothing wrong they capitalized, what they always do what everybody does. Same can be aplied to all other systems in different ways, politics and government they are concepts of saying we agree to missconception by agreeing to concepts that only work for us in certain situations. Now the banksters are capitalists but to those that say they are socialist because they took and spread the moneys around amongst themselfs, they are socializing healping themselves they are also socialists. Also those that believe in communism they are communists, they healp there community of the rich, so they are also communists but agong themselves. They are also fascist they want to tie there wealth to government so they can always be rich, the making of a aristocracy. You see words are meaningless because they have different meaning to different people. What is false in those instances. That they believed they were saying the same thing, its all false. The real is if you agree that people that make a living from scamming others are there to help you, well you agree to be scammed.

"We have made our reality and are living a conceptual way of life." yes your right it can be aplied to many things not only politics and government.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


no facts are absolutely, seeing a desert is not a fact, how do you know that it is a desert when you are not related to as it is in anyway
that is why facts are not the source of awareness, positive sense to realize as more then what fact you are is the reason to mean objective fact being yourself existing

no again i never made any assumption about you being void, on the contrary i meant how you mean only you, but through pretenses of knowledge force, wether you mean void in conquering all or creations in conquering times
while me it is clear that void is always my exclusive friend that i mean to respect as the only source and end positively
it is you that fear not existing and absolutely never me, i fear absurdity of inferiority being powerful living above sanity of truth effects
but you obviously fear yourself sense being inferior to what is truly superior to you

reply to post by imans


If seeing a dessert is not a fact of sight, then quit walking around with you eyes closed. And your making assumptions abouth me again, I believe in existing but not always, sometimes I find existing as life overrated, but I definitely  dont believe in inferior or superior, I only believe something works in one situation and something doesn't work in a situation, inferior/superior are words fools use when they dont understand how something became so called superior.

"i fear absurdity of inferiority being powerful living above sanity of truth effects" boy are you on the wrong rock that's floating in the void if you fear that, Welcome to planet earth, please dont feed the animals. jokingz or am I.

reply to post by Regent Leo


I've now come to understand that the Self is an extension of the Universe/Creator/Source for the purpose of experience.

That's incredibly simply put, but I'll leave it at that.

Much love...

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by godddd

 

It is the way of the world we live in accepted concepts of the world, brought about by our limited understanding of the universe or god or gods or whatever tickles your fancy. Its an agreed apon existence look at those that argue abouth politics what do they arguee abouth, socialism, capitalism, communism, fascism, those are all just words they mean nothing.
What they argue abouth is there misinterpretation of events that they can relate to, one mans evil is anothers good, majority consensus they agreed apon, but its just that majority perceptions of concepts.

And those concepts are accepted without any resistence by the great mayority.
People that can not see because they dont know how, they are the ones looking into the world of matter trying to change its structure according to their conclusions.
But they cannot see the human mind which has created all that, the believes, the political structures, the economy, the society, the world in which we live today.
That is why i stated a few postings back in this tread, 'Our inner creates the outer'
The inner is filled with concepts derived from accumulated knowledge thaught in school and adopted from tradition, and so we never have a clear perception.
Our inner disorder is spread out into the world in which politicians are the ones who are going to bring order.
One should really go into the life of an politician, wil he be able to bring order? He who is concentrating on the material world, drawing conclusions according to his knowledge, he who desires power and position, look at the fear politicians have about loosing there gained position, or how ease it appears to be to bribe them.

The real is if you agree that people that make a living from scamming others are there to help you, well you agree to be scammed.

This is what is happening now, i agree.


In this world we have different cultures-traditions, different languages, different believes, different political systems, and they all are dividing us, so knowledge is dividing us.
And where there is division there is conflict, if we cannot transform by seeing our disorder, the world will be as it was, our past is our future.

reply to post by godddd


Seeing the world differentially then others is a slippery slope, human's are after all are herd animals, and how many can see a inhuman world without walking the streets and talking to themselves while still in herd conscience, dident our mothers tell us to stay away from crazy people who talk to the air.

Politics and government has it's place, after all how are we suposed to learn to trust ourselves more then others without seeing what comes from trusting others are infallibly correct, this is not a world of absolute's the only obsolete is eventual change of your believed obsoletes. Trust is not disposable to tust human's not to eat all the cookies in a cookie jar that is suposed to be shared is the epitome of stupidity, I trust politics will be politics, and humans will be human's, therefore I trust them to do as they do, but if they can't find a compromise and it goes to far I trust that fighting and war will solve everything, as it always has. So therefore I trust all, in that respect for it's abouth respect.

"In this world we have different cultures-traditions, different languages, different believes, different political systems, and they all are dividing us, so knowledge is dividing us. And where there is division there is conflict, if we cannot transform by seeing our disorder, the world will be as it was, our past is our future."

Your right above and in this 'Our inner creates the outer' The truth is it's all words and they have different meaning to different people, and whatever works... works for it's time being, so you can call it whatever you want.

All is one. Everything else is just an illusion ...

reply to post by AllIsOne


yea but you must detect which one, and obviously it cant be your god when he is not all from what he repeated that a lot would finish in fire of his hate

the one truth is from you like each one being really true himself, so you would understand then what i mean and see, how you as positive self is what only you as living is and your awareness of that objective fact is the confirmation of the source one tht mean one life present of you and anyone meaning the same

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


So then, seeing does not take place, people follow like a herd.
no perception but only acceptance of what has been.
And yet people talk about awakening and enlightenment, wanting to be, become better and all knowing, speak about love and so on.
Pretty sad.

reply to post by godddd


That has been the state of most on this planet for while. But everything changes all eventuality's. If the people talk of such things who know maibe it might happen. We will see.

reply to post by imans


Sorry to ask, but what is your native language? Maybe we can have a meaningful discussion in your language? I'm afraid it ain't gonna happen in English ...

reply to post by AllIsOne


dont be afraid, it is about objective arguments steping over living words that people use
so it is like an exercise when one has nothing better to do, and not about discussions, ones speak to what is same because there is noone but positive true livings
and the language of someone is his language in living when anyone is the living and nothing else, i speak english with my kids

Originally posted by imans
reply to post by AllIsOne

 

dont be afraid, it is about objective arguments steping over living words that people use
so it is like an exercise when one has nothing better to do, and not about discussions, ones speak to what is same because there is noone but positive true livings
and the language of someone is his language in living when anyone is the living and nothing else, i speak english with my kids

LOL ... OK ...???

reply to post by imans

so only the always nothing is the exclusive mean, and what is fact living is absolute freedom, and what is positive present is infinite future certainty

Imans this seems to always be in the defining of life as you said, there really is nothing but the present, and the past and future are just concepts in the making, all while we are in the "present" we are constantly reaching into the void to create our world and universe, on a scale that we can not comprehend because it has no time in it, or other human concepts....It just is.....but sometimes we get a glimpse of it. And positive present is infinite future certainty, as you said. But still that does not explain the lapses and infinites of such things, so one could say certainty is not always certain, but then that can not be possible. So what would define certain as being possible, without a shadow of a doubt? It seems like it's all just ignorance, that creates certainty. Like this saying goes.

"Confidence is that feeling that you get before you fully understand the situation"........ Replace "confidence" with "certainty" and the same would apply. And then it would get into the time lapses and what exactly is "time" you know, why do the fun times go by so fast and the bad linger on and on? Why is positive present infinite future certainty?