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Group: Army Symbol Is Religious, Should Be Changed

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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:52 PM

A religious watchdog group says a cross and motto on the emblem of an Army hospital in Colorado violate the unwritten constitutional requirement for separation of church and state and should be removed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation asked the Army this week to change the emblem of Evans Army Community Hospital at Fort Carson, outside Colorado Springs.

The emblem says "Pro deo et humanitate" or "For God and humanity."

Fort Carson commanders will review the complaint, Lt. Col. Steve Wollman said. He said the emblem had been approved by the Army Institute of Heraldry and has been in use since 1969.

Wollman said references to doctors serving God and humanity date to the time of Hippocrates, a pre-Christianity Greek physician. Wollman said the cross, which has a pointed base, is both an emblem of mercy and a symbol dating to the Middle Ages, when pilgrims carried a cross with a spiked base to mark the site of a camp.

Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said that's a reference to the Crusades and could embolden US enemies who want to portray the war on terror as a Christian war on Islam. "This continues to add more fodder to the argument that we are Crusaders," Weinstein said. "It's exactly what fundamentalist Muslims want."

Weinstein's foundation, based in Albuquerque, N.M., last week persuaded the Army to withdraw an invitation to evangelist Franklin Graham to speak at the Pentagon on May 6, the National Day of Prayer.

Weinstein cited comments Graham made in 2001 describing Islam as evil. The Army said it withdrew the invitation because Graham's remarks were "not appropriate."

Graham is the son of famed evangelist Billy Graham.

Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Ga., asked the House Armed Services Committee this week to hold hearings on what he called "a growing movement in the military to censor certain biblical teachings."

Editor's Note: We would be willing to wager that Mr. Weinstein believes, in error, that the Crusades were an unprovoked action by Christians upon the Muslims. Further, Weinstein has fallen into the trap of believing that our actions provoke violence from fundamentalist Islamists and jihadists, when in fact, fundamentalist Islamists -- aided and through jihad -- have quested to establish a global Caliphate -- mandated by Quranic edict by Muhammed himself -- several times throughout history. Therefoe, in light of accurate history, Mr. Weinstein is either ill-informed or he has an alternative and disingenuous agenda.


I think that if people weren't so sensitive at times no one would really care about the potential religious symbolism of this. Even I will admit though, just "For humanity" would clash better with me but I could deal with the "For God" part also.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:10 PM
I think all too often people don't realize that "seperation of church and state" was meant to protect the religious rights of citizens, not to protect the state from the church. It's a shame that accross America in public schools everywhere, you can't even have a prayer over the loudspeaker before a football game. What have we come to?

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:17 PM
People need to find a new hobby than go for everything that is religous. Go find the criminal in your neighborhood and report his/her activities to the police.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:22 PM
Oddly, no one seems to notice the three pyramids in the emblem. But the cross - is an 'offense.'

Will changing the emblem 'improve' anything?

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Maxmars]

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:24 PM

Ahhh I'm sorry, but dumb people that request a separation of church and state against a corporation is just silly.

The God part of the U.S. corporate military is the Sun. Just like "In God We Trust" is on the same money everyone uses.

The Illuminati laugh at groups like this.

There is no such thing as a separation of church and state, the states Ca. is a federal marker.

Just like you have to sign a license to get married, you sign away your children for a future collateral against the bad credit you and your spouse have.

The states have been taken over by the Fed., that is why they have to borrow money to pay for everything, water, agriculture, technology, shipping, jobs, police, fire dptment, etc.

Nothing will change in the Military.

The U.S corporation (Israel-Jews) use ignorant Christians to do the hard work.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:30 PM
You have to be one VERY PATHETIC individual to complain about something of this nature. I get it...they don't like religion, they don't want to see the symbols, blah blah blah....but explain how their right to NOT wanna look at it trumps MY right to enjoy it? That is the debate...who should get their way?

Well...symbols of religion have been around a LONG time. The symbolics and religious beliefs are going nowhere, and a majority of the entire human race has a belief in one form of religion or another and uses religious symbols....soooo IMO, the minority of VERY PATHETIC people who can't simply ignore what they do not like, like the rest of us have too, should simply be SOL!!!

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