3 dead during Greek riots

3 dead during Greek riots

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Greek fire officials say three people have died in a blaze that broke out at an Athens bank during rioting over government austerity measures.

An estimated 100,000 people took to the streets Wednesday during a nationwide wave of strikes against spending cuts aimed at saving the country from bankrupty.

Protesters were hurling Molotov cocktails at police and buildings. At least two buildings were on fire, while hundreds of people were involved in the clashes.

The government agreed to drastic budget cuts to win bailout loans from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

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[edit on 5/5/2010 by semperfortis]

3 people are dead, banks are being burned down and hundreds of thousands are out in the streets... i do believe the sh*t has hit the fan there in Greece... its only going to get worse from here. america, uk, spain.. keep an eye on this cause ur countries are next.. you need only look in the mirror that is greece... i dont think the stock market will like these turn of events very much...

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[edit on 5/5/2010 by semperfortis]

The problem with Greece is that they don't want their country to be owned by the European banksters.

Their fight is not because monetary help is not coming soon enough but because the monetary help comes with attachments for the majority of the work force in their nation the government.

Their life savings, their retirement accounts their limit of retirement, cuts in salaries, higher taxes and so on.

That is what the people will have to endure if taking the monetary help.

I say as a citizens let the nation collapse and rebuild anew no more debt for generations to come.

And history tells the story more debt doesn't fix anything

[edit on 5-5-2010 by marg6043]

I dont not care for what the reason is. These people are protesting for a reason, they fell they have been wronged.

Originally posted by marg6043
The problem with Greece is that they don't want their country to be owned by the European banksters.

Its not banks that are lending to the Greeks.. Its other EUROZONE countries..

The problem with Greece is that their Anarchists don't want to have to pay for the over Socialist policies and corrupt government that has made them uncompetitive and ridiculously indebted..

Also, people rioting and throwing petrol bombs in Greece during anti Government protests is a regular thing.. Recession or no recession.. Its a completely different culture to the US.. You need to remember that.. Almost no similarities to that end of the Western World..

Yes things are very bad and Greece needs to be completely restructured.. It will be painful but wasn't this expected a year ago when the first recession riots kicked off..

What is going to happen now is that it's going to be let get bad enough that a Core EUROZONE EU will be created that will have Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland and a couple more countries as states that will have their fiscal policies dictated by France, Germany and the EU.

To be fair, I can understand the frustration of the Greek people.

Imagine if you were a law abiding citizen all your life and by the age of 52 you were looking forward to retire next year at 53.

And when things go sour quickly, then suddenly the reality kicks in and they are now telling you that you'll need to work until you're 67

But the Greek economy culture & moral is totally screwed up though! - the corruption is rampant - and no one is paying their taxes, because that has been the culture in Greece, only fools were paying their taxes as they should on time - the black economy of Greece is the biggest in Europe AND you could retire at 53 if you're a public servant.

Yeah! that's right! AT 53 - with very high pension to that!

No country in the whole of Europe has never had it so nice & good as the Greeks were enjoying!

I say it's definitely time for them to get their act together, in order!

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Chevalerous]

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It sounds like the begining of "Revelations" prophecies. I don't put a lot of stock in the bible, but I do remember one thing that stuck out and made sense.

If the European block becomes a united entity, that would give them a HUGE amount of power through out the world. I believe it says that when the territories of old Rome rise anew, the end of the world will follow soon.

I can't remember where I heard that lymric from, but it sticks out even more now than it has in a very long time to me. I hope that I'm just misreading the excitement over in Greece, but I fear the unionization of Europe. They have too many cultures to throw under one hat, and try to force some "European Union (Federation?) Law" onto them.

It's bad enough here in the States, do we really need what's going on here, going on there too!?

(Edit for spelling and clarification)

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European bankers have nothing to do with what is going on in Greece, other than the fact that European bankers are saving their butts right now.

I'm Greek and have lived in Greece. Greeks don't work, buy and large and they make a major past time out of avoiding taxes. Many professionals, like doctors are exempt from taxes, lengthy vacations are mandated, early retirement and a rich layer of social programs. They have not been generating any revenue to pay for that lifestyle for several decades and now its coming home to roost.

My favorite Greek tax avoidance trick is that you don't pay any property tax until a building is finished. All over Greece you have beautiful homes with no attached front porch. Cinderblocks and plywood leading up to a nice home. No porch? House is not finished and no requirement to pay taxes.

The other and perhaps the major thing going on here is that Greeks will not be told what to do. Not in their own homes and certainly not in how their are going to have to alter their lifestyle. These austarity measures are necessary and the Greeks know that. What they don't like is that they are being told what to do by who they consider inferior societys like the Germans and the fact that they are young enough to have not been able to hop off the gravy train the way their parents and grandparents did.

The Greeks did this to themselves and right now they are screaming like a 5 year old who is told he has to give the ball he ripped out of another kid's hands back to him.

Exactly.. Well said..

As hard as it is to say, as a nation, they deserved it..

I can also say that as a nation, us Irish deserve the whipping we are now getting for going almost the exact extreme as Greece and getting too capitalist.

What goes up must come down, what goes sweet will eventually go sour..

They'll just have to get over it and grow a pair of collective balls..

Banksters: Meet Greece. Eventually the Debt will be defaulted on. Until then, may more peoples of the world rise against you.

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im sorry but i have to disagree with you. those that make policy deserve it, the banks that hid government debt, the governments that told the banks to help hide the debt... sure, the people took advantage of sh*t policies but the people dont deserve whats coming to them...

why would youtube take all the greek riot videos from today off? i cant find any now, earlier there was several of em...

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On what planet is it fair that public workers should be allowed to retire in their fifties with lavish pensions after working uncompetitive jobs.. All paid for by a government who was financing it using the profit off the difference between what they could borrow for as a result of the efficiency of Northern EU states in relation to what they were actually worth as a result of their inefficiency..

The Gig is up.. Some under educated Greek public worker shouldn't have been retiring ten years early than I will with a lavish pension based on the fact that I am worth twice as much in the Global economy or that a German is worth three times as much.. Just because they use the same currency..

As a country they deserved it.. In the same was that as a country Ireland deserved it, Portugal deserves it and the US deserves it..

We voted our politicians.. allowed them to do what they did because we liked it when it was good.. And now we want to shift the blame to someone else for the entirety?

Doesn't completely compute in my mind tbh..

Originally posted by marg6043
The problem with Greece is that they don't want their country to be owned by the European banksters.

Their fight is not because monetary help is not coming soon enough but because the monetary help comes with attachments for the majority of the work force in their nation the government.

Their life savings, their retirement accounts their limit of retirement, cuts in salaries, higher taxes and so on.

That is what the people will have to endure if taking the monetary help.

I say as a citizens let the nation collapse and rebuild anew no more debt for generations to come.

And history tells the story more debt doesn't fix anything

[edit on 5-5-2010 by marg6043]

Marg, You have no idea of what it's like when a nation collapse nor do you know what it takes to rebuild a nation so don't act as if you do. All those protesters are doing is making things worse because when the dust settles the government will have to shell out thousands if not millions of dollars to fix everything that those retarded protesters destroyed, so the question that begs to be asked is how are they helping anything?

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like i said, the policy makers should suffer, not the working people. its not the working persons fault that they were able to retire at 50-whatever years old. or etc etc etc. they dont set or make policy... its the stupid bast**** in government and in the finance world that either didnt see this coming or did see it coming and didnt give a damn cause they knew the people would have to pay for it and not them.. why does suzy teacher and bobby vendor deserve to be shafted when he or she had no say in how things were run or whats happening now.. as far as placing the blame on people for voting in those politicians, thats a lame arguement, the greeks have about as much of a vote as americans do.. its laughable, its a joke...

Originally posted by Chevalerous
To be fair, I can understand the frustration of the Greek people.

Imagine if you were a law abiding citizen all your life and by the age of 52 you were looking forward to retire next year at 53.

And when things go sour quickly, then suddenly the reality kicks in and they are now telling you that you'll need to work until you're 67

But the Greek economy culture & moral is totally screwed up though! - the corruption is rampant - and no one is paying their taxes, because that has been the culture in Greece, only fools were paying their taxes as they should on time - the black economy of Greece is the biggest in Europe AND you could retire at 53 if you're a public servant.

Yeah! that's right! AT 53 - with very high pension to that!

No country in the whole of Europe has never had it so nice & good as the Greeks were enjoying!

I say it's definitely time for them to get their act together, in order!

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Chevalerous]

You act as if the greek government was looking forward to the economy going to #.

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Well, I do understand that but as I said.. they lived beyond their means on a false level of prosperity based on the hard work of others..

Thats why as specific people with problems, I have sympathy because i can relate to the pain.. As a nation, I have no sympathy whatsoever..

Someone rioting because they have to give up their retirement age of 53 years old and Government pension paid for in part by my competitiveness and hard work won't get any sympathy from me Im afraid..

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
why would youtube take all the greek riot videos from today off? i cant find any now, earlier there was several of em...

Why? because they (TPTB) are terrified that the riots would be spreading of course.

Everyone knows this house of card of the world economy is now an illusion - and sooner or later it will fall down HARD!

But they like to control the fall, and not all at once!

If the riots like these would be spreading to all major cities in Europe simultaneously, the global economy illusion and the broken house of cards would be coming down next week.

As good illiusionists they need to keep the illusion alive - they don't want this to spread all over Europe.

They don't want the people to watch these riot videos and get crazy ideas in their little peasant heads - No! they can't have that! could they?

They prefer controlled demolitions so they can plan their moves in advance according to how things play out on the chess board LIVE! - and be ahead a couple of days when things go down.

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i can see your point but this isnt an isolated event.. its not just the greeks that are going to hell. this is an engineered financial collapse of the entire capitalist western world.

Originally posted by Dermo

What is going to happen now is that it's going to be let get bad enough that a Core EUROZONE EU will be created that will have Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland and a couple more countries as states that will have their fiscal policies dictated by France, Germany and the EU.

Exactly and that is what the citizens of Greece doesn't want, to be owned by somebody else at the end the debt no only falls under the countries that are to help but this money comes from the international banks.

Remember is just the begining of the big take over by the NWO.

Originally posted by Chevalerous
They don't want the people to watch these riot videos and get crazy ideas in their little peasant heads - No! they can't have that! could they?

They prefer controlled demolitions so they can plan their moves in advance according to how things play out on the chess board LIVE! - and be ahead a couple of days when things go down.

Lol.. Not sure about that dude.

I just turned on the TV and the Riots were all over it.. State TV, Private TV, Sky News, Euronews, France 24, RT, BBC..

Strange that they are gone off the Net alright.. Maybe copyright issues?