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reply posted on 6-6-2004 @ 02:04 PM by I See You
Interesting find. Will have to keep udated on this one.



reply posted on 6-6-2004 @ 03:25 PM by Seekerof
...ain't no maybe it is.....it isn't!

According to Plato, in the Critias, this is the description he gives that refutes this whole article and its findings:

...which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.

Critias
Atlantis

Secondly, I'm not making out or seeing the concentric rings that this article is trying to pass off....image:


Atlantis was clearly an 'island'.
Atlantis was said to be 6 days sailing past the Pillars of Hercules.
Atlantis was surrounded by ocean(s).

I'm inclined to go with Antartica or a couple of other possible locations for Atlantis rather than anything I'm seeing and reading from this article and its findings.



seekerof

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reply posted on 7-6-2004 @ 12:38 AM by onlyinmydreams
Seekerof...

A couple things...

I don't know Greek, nor have I seen the Critias in its original form, but it's possible that Plato was refering to a city that was just six days sailing from the Pillars of Hercules. We're talking about an era that was centuries before Plato... and it's accepted that (military) ships in his era -- though more advanced -- often had to come ashore every night and, so, couldn't go very far in a few days' time. If the strait is considered a starting point, six days sailing would put the site either in Iberia or Morocco... easily.

As for the size of 'Atlantis'... Plato could have been talking about the territory they controlled, not just the city itself. As the researcher in the article states himself, the Atlantians may have been the same group that invaded Egypt centuries before Plato's time. These 'sea people' -- who are mentioned by a variety of med. groups. -- would have needed bases near Egypt and Greece considering the technology at the time. It's conceivable, then, that his size estimate includes the the area covered by the overseas possessions of the Atlantians.

The island issue... I think the key, here, is the series of concentric moats (which, even if the city was inland, make it an artificial island). These 'canals' were Atlantis' distinctive feature (and, considering the era we're discussing, an amazing achievement by themselves). If they exist at this site -- in the form of silted-up troughs -- then I think we've just found Atlantis.

And.. two temples are still impressive if they're at the center of a huge canal system. For that region (western med.) and that era... they would, indeed, have been very advanced and impressive.


reply posted on 7-6-2004 @ 05:56 PM by Seekerof
onlyinmydreams,
I can agree with your position to a degree. The only thing that I contest is that military ships were what of that period? Galleys: row or sail or combined? Were there also trading ships that sailed the ocean and were not tied to the shore, as was the case with many military type vessels of that time period? I fully understand that the method of ancient seafaring was to stay relatively close to shore (coastal shipping/ships). As such, were their no ocean going type vessels, not restricted to coastal operations? I have read Atlantis of the North, by Jurgen Spanuth, but he is not very specific when considering new theories dealing with ocean going vessels verses coastal.
My contention is that does he take into account the supposed trade that has been theorized that existed between Egypt and those inhabitants of South America or those theories on Chinese/Olmec connections or African/Olmec connections that took place in the Atlantic/Pacific and not being restricted to coastal type vessels?

I'm not discounting one bit what your saying/mentioning, but what I am saying is that maybe, just maybe, Plato was refering to ocean-type vessels and not the majority of coastal-type vessels of that period when he was describing Atlantis being 6 days away.

I thank you for mentioning what you did, but I still doubt this articles claims.
It does not address the size mentioned by Plato (link was provided in initial posting) in the Critias. He mentions the size twice and in two different ways:
The first was as mentioned in the intial post: " was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia", also, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent ". The other/second being that the dimensions of the capitol were 2,000 x 3,000 stades or approximately 385+/- x 580+/- km.
Here is another cite which has the Critias and Timaeus, were Plato speaks of Atlantis:
Greco-Roman Authors

I also found a pretty good analysis/breakdown on PLato's accounts here:
Atlantis: New Hypothesis



seekerof

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