Does anyone remember 1931?

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Does Anyone Remember 1931?

Of course not.

In 1930 there were all sorts of statements about how it was "all under control" and "prosperity was returning." Some examples of the 1929 and 1930 idiocy:

"Financial storm definitely passed." - Bernard Baruch, cablegram to Winston Churchill, November 15, 1929

"I see nothing in the present situation that is either menacing or warrants pessimism... I have every confidence that there will be a revival of activity in the spring, and that during this coming year the country will make steady progress." - Andrew W. Mellon, U.S. Secretary of the Treasury December 31, 1929

"I am convinced that through these measures we have reestablished confidence." - Herbert Hoover, December 1929

"[1930 will be] a splendid employment year." - U.S. Dept. of Labor, New Year's Forecast, December 1929

"For the immediate future, at least, the outlook (stocks) is bright." - Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in Economics, in early 1930

who says experts cant or dont lie, that is an ignorant stupid statement.

even simple people like us here on ATS i think can figure out that this feels eerily like 1931. the rise of the right, economic collapse on the brink of fruitation, countries aligning with one another against another group of countries... lines are being drawn, financial collapse is in progress, is world war inevitable??

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Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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who says experts cant or dont lie, that is an ignorant stupid statement.

True.

even simple people like us here on ATS i think can figure out that this feels eerily like 1931. the rise of the right, economic collapse on the brink of fruitation, countries aligning with one another against another group of countries... lines are being drawn, financial collapse is in progress, is world war inevitable??

Last time the economy was in this condition fascism rose up in Germany out of a democratically elected government, and I think it may again here in the U.S. or abroad. Led possibly by the third antichrist?

It really is funny how history just repeats itself, of course people in government and finance have a vested interest in saying things are getting better because if they don't it could cause a panic. I don't think everyone back then actually believed everything would be perfect in 1931.

Well, I would say the correlation with the economic factors are prevalent.

But WW seems to be a fabricated production of the propaganda networks.

Show me any country that is instituting what the two instigators of WW2 instituted.

As for the rise of the right, please tell me you do not believe that fascism has anything to do with true conservatism.

On the totalitarian scale, Fascism and Socialism are on the left side, not the right side.

If you are talking about the false left/right paradigm, I concur.

That is why I am a Libertarian. If no one but the people have the power, neither fascist or socialist controls can be instituted. Time to go back to our roots and kick out all totalitarians.

The TRUE rule of law to be instituted. Not the color of law that is the rule of the day.

Now, if you are talking about the institution of a world governance, I concur on that also.

Kinda does seem like a cycle doesn't it. If you are not ready to take care of yourself or if you don't already times might get tough, regardless of the econimic times. Thanks for the post, I like the reminders that people have been working against my personal best interests since before I was born. It keeps me upbeat knowing how content I am with the things they can't take away.

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Hi.

If no one but the people have the power.

A.K.A. Anarchy.

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im talkin a rise in the right ala freedom party in austria, other parties in the netherlands and hungry. here in america the democrats are tapping in the left (tho they are aleinating it) and the republicans the right ala anti-illegal immigrants... that said i believe republicrats are both fascist parties and should be dissolved and no party should be allowed to ever be in the united states again. how bout that for a radical concept eh... no political parties at all. everyone runs on the ideas put forward by their consituents... (sarcasm)

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What I see are lines of people.

Is it me or does the current crisis have nothing to do with poverty and hunger ?
I mean, people make money enough only there depts screws them over

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Oh, not so radical. I said in a thread just the other day that Repubs and the Dems should be charged with treason by their complicit act of destroying our republic.

Not so radical at all. I believe you could call the Repubs the Fascist party and the Dems the Socialist party.

They both want total control for just different reasons.

I and many I know are just fed up with both parties.

Arrghh!

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Anarchy is not the power of the people.. it is the power of the able, it is the ultimate Totalitarianism .. if there are no unity, laws or structure.. the strongest one will create it.

Libertarianism is the smallest functioning form of Government.. because government it's self isn't evil, in fact it is the guiding force of Humanity.. it's people in Government that are evil .. the less people in government, the smaller it is, the better it serves us.

Close to anarchy.. just without the wild pillaging, raping, looting and all that fun stuff.

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Close to anarchy.. just without the wild pillaging, raping, looting and all that fun stuff.

Yes. people are animals.


But that does not mean Anarchy is a bad thing. People are.
Well... at least some of them.

The difference between the Great Depression times and now is that NOW we have a DEMOCRAT now in office.

I am certain that before Obama leaves office we will see a surplus or a DRASTICLY different IMPROVED economic situation. I am CERTAIN that the right-wingers reading this are BLOOD-RED in the face at this claim, but history always shows who causes economic RUIN, and who brings the counrty out of them.

During the Great Depression, lets see WHICH PARTY was running things:

Warren Harding (R, 1921-1923; died in office),
Calvin Coolidge (R, 1923-1929)
Herbert Hoover (R, 1929-1933; in office when recession started).

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Still falling for that left/right Dem Repub paradigm?

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They were the very beginning of 'THE PROGRESSIVES'! Parties didn't matter to them. It was where they could go to get support to get elected. The politics of the Progressives is what got us into the problems then and it is the same believers that have put us in the turmoil we see today. Neither Dem or Repub matters one whit. It is the ideology of these demagogues! 70 years in the making!

Zindo

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Regardless of any paranoid one party views, or any conspiracy theories, it is HISTORY itself that I am using as my source of opinion. History speaks MUCH louder than some of the stuff that floats around in conspiracy forums.

Edit - Typo

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What I posted is not conspiracy. It is historical fact. The history of the Progressive movement is not smoke and mirrors. The movement in those years was huge and they didn't try to hide their 'theories', They had huge gatherings where some of the most well known on the time gave speeches and wrote books on the subject. FDR was their biggest cheer leader and implemented some of the problems we encounter here today! The largest of which is Keynesian Finance!
Keynes was wrong!

Zindo

you know whats sad is that there are people out there who are fed up with both parties and will go to the voting booth and look on the machine and see 2 choices... democrat or republican... hmmm well crap, i guess i have to pick one them.... pffftt

i dont vote, know why? because the system sucks... if your still nieve enough to think "your vote counts" then your a dumb***. i think not voting is my vote... i vote for none of em cause theyre all corrupt or corrupted by the time we, the voter, gets to em... we all know the saying..

"money talks...." yeah...

I am sad, because this depression is hurting many of us financially. Not just in the US, but everywhere.

Me personally, my job can barely keep me afloat.

I am in a state of financially spiraling out of control. Last month I crashed, but bounced (because of my tax return) but now I am coming in for a hard crash and I see no possible bounce.

I will probably lose Internet any time now.

I will probably live on the street soon.

I only have 4 bills. Rent, Gas, Electric, Internet.

And I can't afford them with my job. I have 2 kids to feed.

We live on about 1000 $ a month. A family of 4.

My bank sucks about 30% of my income in "bank fees" because I am perpetually screwed and have no place to go. You cannot exist without cashing your checks somewhere, and you need a checking account at a bank for that.

Tell me how to get $$ from a check without a bank account I am all ears.

They are eating 30% of my income. That is over 300$ per month of my 1000$ income. It's so unfair.

I am going to live on the street soon. I cannot sustain this. I have no financial stability.

I even played my hand really good too. I have no loans to pay off, no debt. I do not buy worthless crap. All my $ goes to my 4 bills and food for the family. And paying the bank 30% of my income in fees/fines.

I know we are in a Depression. I am Depressed as hell. I hate this BS.

I would have to bring in 1500-2000$ a month to sustain myself at my crappy bottom tier lifestyle.

Soon I shall live in my car, which doesn't even work anymore. It's falling apart. But I cannot afford to fix it...

What can I do? Oh well. All I know to do is keep doing the job I do have, and hope I don't collapse this week.

My 2year old son. Today when I was asleep. He turned on the water in the bathroom and left it running. It flooded.

The water leaked through the floor down to the Landlords house downstairs. It ruined his roof, shorted out his electrical stuff (he had to turn the breakers off), and it ruined his mattress because his bedroom is under our bathroom.

Now I gotta pay like 1300$ to have that fixed and guess what?

My bank account is NEGATIVE 800$ lol....

I got my eviction notice today....

And I consider myself to be doing fairly well! I can't imagine the hell hole everyone else is in these days. They are actually wasteful. I am extremely conservative (you have to be when living on 10,000$ a year for family of 4 in the USA).

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Sinter Klaas

 

Anarchy is not the power of the people.. it is the power of the able, it is the ultimate Totalitarianism .. if there are no unity, laws or structure.. the strongest one will create it.

Libertarianism is the smallest functioning form of Government.. because government it's self isn't evil, in fact it is the guiding force of Humanity.. it's people in Government that are evil .. the less people in government, the smaller it is, the better it serves us.

Close to anarchy.. just without the wild pillaging, raping, looting and all that fun stuff.

Nonsense.

Anarchy doesn't mean no unity, laws or structure. It means no government.

Government most definitely is an evil.

Govern-Ment.

Govern means authority or control. Ment means mind or thought.

The literal translation of government is authority of thought, or mind control.

Government is always a form of centralized power.

Anarchy is an absence of centralized power.

It may be uncivil, and chaotic, but it can also be a community which has laws and is quite civilized.

In an Anarchic community, the majority always rule.

What is so evil about that?

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reply to post by Sinter Klaas

Yes. people are animals.

Last I checked we were. Closely related to apes I believe...

But that does not mean Anarchy is a bad thing. People are.

Indeed.. but then again, I suppose all forms of government are good if there were no people.. why even a fascist dictatorship would be splendid..... if there were no people.

Fact of the matter is, once the laws disappear, the police man is gone, and I answer to no one ... I'm going to sneak over to your house, club you over the head, steal your food and cart off your woman.

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reply to post by unityemissions

Anarchy doesn't mean no unity, laws or structure. It means no government.

this is the flawed illogical assumption that to have Anarchy is Utopia.. and to achieve the Utopia 100% of the members must unanimously agree to a certain creed or code of conduct, and no one at any point in their lives would ever break it. To break the code requires response, to coordinate response requires direction, and direction comes from man, be it the most rudimentary form of Government or not.. Anarchy is impossible by complication of Human nature. I'd club you over the head too, take your food too, and steal your woman too. Soon I'll have my own Utopian harem gorging myself on canned foods.