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'Fearmongers' Were Right about Obamacare

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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 07:47 AM
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I think it would be really nice if the worlds largest corporation( the USA) was operated by a competent CEO.
Then they could pay dividends to the shareholders...
No, wait a minute, the shareholders would be China.
Nevermind.




posted on May, 5 2010 @ 07:58 AM
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how much abuse can our country and system even take? do people even have a chance of getting out of that brainwashed mentality anymore? Cobra.EXE


Pamphlets and flyers, pamphlet bombs were used rather extensively in WWII over Britain by the Nazis to spread disinfo. Now the situation's become so ridiculous that it can be proposed to spread INFORMATION to dopey citizens.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
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You know what, I think I am going to use that as my signature for awhile.

Should get a few more laughs.

And hey, why did you foe me?


I'm sorry, I am doing this on my iPhone. I thought I added you as a friend. I hope I fixed it.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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What do you expect if the own legislators never ever read the bill.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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you said "for real, though" which causes me to judge your whole character and assume you work in a fast food restaurant and have no sort of college education because a college educated person wouldn't just say whatever they felt like saying at all. Everyone should think how I do. I'm not condescending, I'm just retarded
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It seems you indeed fit my assumption. Thanks for your input. It is duly noted. Now, if you could, please grab me some wheat grass. That's it. Oh, I use paper, not plastic.

It also seems that if someone has a different viewpoint than you do they are dumb. I say, people who present a poorly worded viewpoint that is contrary, or validates my own, they are dumb. Note the difference?



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Sometimes I get the feeling that Obama and others are trying to crash the dollar. Many people immediately imagine an evil agenda afoot but what if its a "good" agenda?

If you start thinking about the people in control who essentially control the world. They do this with the dollar. So, It would be fair to say that if you wanted to remove their influential monetary power, you would simply devalue the dollar.

I'm not convinced that Obama has a dictatorship in mind. If you look at the mans past, you'll see many examples of him fighting for those that are stuck at the bottom, where the money doesn't quite trickle all the way.

Many people would argue that the only evidence we need is the fact that Obama is supporting legislation which is unconstitutional. When you do a bit of digging into the history of the United States, you'll find that it is based on the ruling elite theory. This means that it was set up by rich folk and it was designed to be controlled by rich folk. For example, you couldn't vote unless you had land. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that we should move away from the elite controlled systems of the past and move on to a more humanitarian type of democratic system.

This may require some ideas which are of a socialist nature but that shouldn't stop them from being used. For example, Instead of allowing our food, health services, land use be controlled by capitalist competition, they could be socialized. Everyone would have their basic needs met. Other non "life" based products and services could continue to be created and sold in a competitive market.

Wow, I went off on a tangent there. Anyways, I challenge you to critically think about what's happening here and open your mind to possibilities other than doomsday scenarios.

The people in power are the people with the money. I would think many of you would LOVE to see the dollar crash. They would lose ALL of their power. And hopefully a better way to govern people would take its place.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by piddles

I mean that's cool and all that you think everyone in the world is the same and has treatable problems, but I don't think I can make my own glasses or fix all the problems I have (what is wrong with me is not relevant to this discussion)


Any problems that are NOT 'treatable' - well, a doctor won't be able to help them there, either. In that case, the only ones who win are the health insurers, who win all the way to the bank. Just like they always do, just like they do now, except under this 'health care' plan, they win a lot bigger, since most folks will fall right into line and pay their useless insurance extortion scheme.



and I love your judgement of my character. I worked at whole foods for 3 years, in addition to having a mother who is a health nut who gives me health literature, exercise videos (the P90 workout is incredible), and nutritional supplements regularly. I take care of myself, I still have health problems, I'm not insured, and have a hard time paying for it while I'm in college.


I'm afraid that taking preventive nutritional supplements wasn't what I was talking about, but to each his own. I commiserate with you, though, as my own mother was the same sort. Still is, really, but she doesn't push it at me as hard now. I think she's given up on me as a lost cause.


I payed into insurance for YEARS before I wised up and realized that I STILL had no 'health coverage'. Unfortunately, paying into it, and actually being covered by being able to USE what you've paid for, are two entirely different things.

Most of the colleges I went to had an on-campus clinic, which I paid for with fees assessed at the same time I paid tuition. Again, paying the Health fee, and actually being able to use the clinic, were two different things. I went twice to the clinic, at the insistence of my them wife, because of some silly sniffles or something. It was nearly impossible to get seen in a timely manner. I found that the problem was that the system was being clogged up by young ladies there to get, maintain, or UNget their birth control measures in order. After the second trip, out of frustration, I just went back home and cleared up my own congestion, didn't bother the poor busy medics any more. Looked like they had their hands full, any way.

Still had to pay that damned 'health fee' every semester, though. I left those halls in 1993, and they may do things differently these days.



While you're a bit of a condescending ass,


Why... why... I NEVER!
You may not believe this, and I'm fairly sure it's going to come as a shock, but you're not the first to tell me that! As a matter of fact, those who know me say that you were being overly generous, or remarkably restrained. I commend you on your tact and diplomacy in this matter, and no, I'm not being facetious there (I'm told that's another of my many character flaws, and so have to point out when I'm NOT being facetious at times)



I must admit it is nothing short of remarkable that you've been able to take care of yourself. I am glad there are people like you in the world but that just doesn't apply to everyone.


No, of course it doesn't, and even I, as dense as I can be, realize that. As I've said before, I have NO issues with how other folks choose to look after their own health, until they feel like they can dictate how I look after mine. 'Mandating' that I purchase a product that has proven over and over again to me to be completely useless is one of those instances.

It's nothing personal. I'd react the same way if congress passed a law that said that I HAD to buy a brand new car every year, and then droves of people came marching by to stress vigorously that it was just the RIGHT thing to do, because the government said so. In that case, just as in this one, I would see it for what it is - an industrial-government complex scheme to line the pockets of a private company at my expense, using government muscle as the enforcer arm.

You seem to be a nice enough fella, and well meaning to boot, but there are just some of us old cantankerous farts around who, having 'seen the elephant' already, refuse to be pushed any further. I think that situation is the real crux of our differences in the matter. I'd buy you a beer at the pool hall anyhow.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Uggh, yeah that would be bad. In America we have a certain pride since we had to fight for what we have. Our country was supposed to resemble what individualism and personal responsibility can do for our nation by starting at the community levels. Our model was never the Euro model and in short, WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THE EURO MODEL. I'm sure you're aware that Britain has over a 90% death rate for prostate cancer, the U.S. you ask? less than 3%. You can have your Euro style govt. and rationed healthcare. NO THANKS!



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:58 PM
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Wow, once again we're so quick to trust a government in the face of history telling us over and over again that that's the last place to lay your trust and liberties. I agree that global currency and govt is the goal, but it's not to "help us out", it's only to further their agenda to whatever degree of maliciousness you may believe. I'm not anti govt, i just know where govt. belongs - in it's proper place. btw, i'm a nsa SIGINT analyst AF vet. and even i, sir, don't trust these guys - that should tell you something in itself.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by brianmg5

Sometimes I get the feeling that Obama and others are trying to crash the dollar. Many people immediately imagine an evil agenda afoot but what if its a "good" agenda?
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I am sorry "the Obama administration wants a good agenda"?.... where in the world have you been?....

H.R. 1388...which was SIGNED by Obama and was authored by "Progressives" does the following....

H.R. 1388 To Reauthorize and Reform the National Service Laws.


thomas.loc.gov

Directs the Corporation to plan pilot programs to: (1) better target and serve displaced workers; and (2) establish a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education.

Authorizes the Corporation to treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service and Remembrance.

Establishes within the Investment for Quality and Innovation program: (1) a ServeAmerica Fellowships program providing fellowships to individuals chosen by states to participate in service projects addressing certain areas of national need; (2) a Silver Scholarship Grant Program providing scholarships to individuals age 55 or older who complete at least 500 hours of service in a year in an area of national need; and (3) an Encore Fellowships program providing one-year fellowships to individuals age 55 or older who serve in areas of national need and receive training to transition to public service employment. Makes ServeAmerica fellows eligible for national service educational awards.

Authorizes the Corporation to provide grants to innovative and model service programs, including those for disadvantaged youth, youth under age 17, and potential recidivists.

Eliminates federal funding for the Points of Light Foundation.
(visit the link for the full news article)

Working Link

Let's contnue about this "good agenda that you claim Obama and Progressives want"....

BTW, don't get me wrong, those Republicans who are selling us to corporations are as bad as Progressives...

Anyway, back to the point...


Eliminates the current Community-Based Learn and Serve programs.
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Establishes an Education Awards Only program authorizing the Corporation for National and Community Service (Corporation) to provide fixed-amount grants to programs that have approved national service positions, but no AmeriCorps funding.


You think the above is good?... Let's see what Progressives have in mind and has ALREADY been signed as law by Obama...

thomas.loc.gov
(visit the link for the full news article)

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You think the oil spills recently are a coincidence?....


Includes among eligible AmeriCorps programs: (1) an Education Corps to address unmet educational needs; (2) a Healthy Futures Corps to address unmet health needs; (3) a Clean Energy Corps to address unmet environmental needs; and (4) a Veterans Corps to address the unmet needs of veterans and their families.


Since their Global Warming HOAX was exposed they had to change tactics to make people accept these draconian laws...

Not to mention that the CORPORATION will be deciding how healthy a person has to be, and what children should be learning...


SEC. 1302. REQUIRED AND ELIGIBLE NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAMS.

Section 122 is amended to read as follows:

`SEC. 122. NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAMS ELIGIBLE FOR PROGRAM ASSISTANCE.

`(a) Required National Service Corps- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs:
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Thomas.loc

You think it is for the good of the people to REQUIRE/FORCE people to do Community Service?....

That sort of FORCED Community Service, among other things, is what my parents and I escaped from in Cuba... My two older sisters were FORCED every summer to spend 45 days working for the government for FREE in conditions that left them at the end of the 45 days thin as sticks, with stomach problems, and with ticks... But my parents couldn't stop it because if they intervened the STATE would have taken my two sisters away to "re-education camps so they can learn to be good Communists"....

Emmanuel Rahm also claims he knows what it takes to be an American and one of the claims he makes is that Americans MUST do COmmunity Service no matter in what conditions they have to serve, and that's for him what it takes to be an "American"....

So you still think that Obama and his Progressive thugs want something good for all Americans?...




[edit on 5-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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That is scary. I would not be surprised if the Nov elections are cancelled this year.
Emperor Obama?



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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love your addy and pic and sig
well the federal govenment is trying to make things worse on purpose

ben bernake studied the great depression and is doing the exact same things they did then

if you repeat the steps that lead to failure and expect a different outcome your crazy



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Obama & everyone around him are either communists or socialists (frankly, I have never looked into either one deeply enough to tell the difference), as are the neoCons from the Bush administration- the PNAC crowd. I now believe this whole thing has been carrying forward since at least the 60s (maybe, probably, further back than that). Most of the "liberals" are merely "useful idiots" who actually buy into all the peace, love, everybody is equal, we are all the same- no God, no borders (nations), no possessions, the government will give everyone alll they need. We will work for them. (because we will have nowhere else TO work) Those who grew up & turned away are now the DFHs Rahm Emanuel hates so bad (DFH is Dirty F-in Hippie) "Haters" are those who don't go along.
"Globalization" IS communism/ socialism. Just like the USSR, we will find ourselves in a living hell while the "benevolent" elites go on just as they always have.
Do your homework. Read the words & ideas they were pushing then- they are the same ones as now- verbatim. It's a trap. People were all doped up in the 60s & too young to have a brain in their heads. What's our excuse now- stupid/ distracted/ complacent/ lazy?
Start here:

www.mediatorsfoundation.org...

Here:

www.bigspeak.com...

and here:

www.beyondintractability.org...

This is one of the guys, like Cass Sunstein, who are orchestrating the whole thing. Messing with people's heads/ lying & sucking them in.
(google him, too, if you don't know who he is & what he's about)



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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In the 60's it was Acid, in the 2000's its prozac, to keep them from falling into super deep depression because they can't possibly figure out why nothing is the way they thought it would be. So they just pop pills day in and day out to keep them from going on massive violent rampages.

Jokes aside, I'm glad the proof is now out, because I don't know how anybody with even a pinky toe based in realty could really believe that adding more people to government programs and giving access to a service is going to make something cheaper.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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Sadly I knew before this bill was passed that the ramifications would be significant. And again, SADLY, most Americans that wanted the bill didn't have all the information about it or choose not to care about all the info. This is what America is turning into...ignorance is spreading like wild fire around this country. Hopefully people are waking up more and more. Once this bill effects them, then they won't like it...well, they should have had the brains to look at all the facts before supporting it. I don't know how people can watch TV and believe what they hear, again ignorance. Do these people really think that they are getting the truth? Ingnorant again.... This country is spinning in the wrong direction and it is going down fast. obama should be impeached for pushing through a bill that him pelosi and dirty harry completely misrepresented and lied about. They should all be held accountable.



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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I am not seeing anything, can you tell me where on the site to look?



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
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I am not seeing anything, can you tell me where on the site to look?
Sorry.
See this post, it will get you there.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 6 2010 @ 03:08 PM
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Wait -- stop the presses! You are telling me that Corporate-backed Milton Friedman espousing corporate tool of a think tank that produces papers supporting "Greed and profits for us are good for everyone" reports on some more papers produced from another Milton Friedman espousing corporate tool of a think tank that produces papers supporting "Greed and profits for us are good for everyone"?

I think we are going to produce a black hole of self-referencing Corporate tools here. If it's not "more proof Obama wasn't born" it's another article about "illegal aliens" or it's explaining how Green Peace is making the air dirty.

Obamacare isn't a GREAT first step, but it's going to get people covered who weren't. It doesn't ENFORCE the request that asks everyone to get health care -- so I think they snuck one for the people. The Death Panels are a total farce, and everything else I've heard come out of the mouths of the "I'm objecting to Obama" crowd has been 100% nonsense, a distortion, drivel or just plain false.

The CATO institute does some good reporting, so that the other half of what they can put out can have credibility when it's supporting their agenda of "let our big corporations run everything." Corporations love the idea that they push all the expenses on you and can use health care to trap you in your job.

If American's can have health coverage no matter what company they are with, and if they can have a decent retirement -- that would take away 90% of the incentives for Financial Services, anxiety and the best tool ever to keep the marketplace non-competitive for wages.

Obama is the same kind of Republican Bush was -- except that he isn't embarrassing us at every turn. If you want to complain about him -- complain about GUARANTEED MONEY going to Health Insurance companies which have no useful purpose but to take your money and diminish care. But that's never the complaint.

If Obama were actually a Socialist -- then that would be a GOOD thing in my mind. I'm kind of sick of sacrificing everything and having absolutely nothing to show for it -- I don't know if my kids are going to college or if I will be fired and lose all health care tomorrow. I used up my retirement funds last year with penalties. I make good money and never bought a car without cash.

So -- I don't give a damn of what the CATO institute says because I pay attention to how they love Goldman Sacks and robber barons.



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