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'Fearmongers' Were Right about Obamacare

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posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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Greetings, DarkspARCS,

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
The call is for the United States to:

ALLOW MORE WORKERS IN, INCREASING WORKER VISA ALLOWANCES!!



With unemployment as a National Average above 11 percent.... WHAT IN THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING??....


According to one of the Hindu websites a while back, sorry I don't have the link, , was an article that Tata Corporation has the staffing to send 10 million additional h-1B replacement workers to the US as fast as the airlift and sealift can bring them. Delta Airlines has already established service from Bangalore to the US, and they can increase the aircraft and flights on short notice to facilitate rapid deployment of more H-1B replacement workers to the US.

There are already about a million H-1B replacement workers in the US on their 7 year visas, including those who "forgot to go home" after their visas ran out.

Republican [in name only] John Cornyn supports obamadineajad's call for more (or unlimited) H-1B replacement workers from India.

J-ROPES (Jones, Reid, obama, Pelosi, Emmanuel, and scum vermin czar Cass Sunstein) is a foreign occupying force with the goal to destroy the US as we know it. Unlimited H-1B replacement workers (just like amnesty for Mexicans) will speed up their process.

Democrats and radical-leftist Republicans, are gonna push amnesty and visa-expansion into law so fast, we won't even have time to buy any preparation-H.

It damn sure isn't immigration reform - it's job destruction for US citizens and the H-1B visa holder is their weapon of choice. And Mexican amnesty-holders are their weapon of choice against America's blue collar workers.




posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by DarkspARCS
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WHY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH DOESN'T ANYONE EXPOSE THIS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT??!!
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I'm finished here... I only beseach those with intelligence and skill to please make the right choice, and assist the people who need you the most...


Many Americans don't care, they have been brainwashed and dumbed down to believe that Socialization of America is the answer, when all it does is to give more power to the state, and to rich elites and their companies meanwhile screwing regular Americans, taking away individualism and freedom.

I have filled forms asking the administration, and Obama to not pass his "healthcare reform", and to uphold the Constitution. I have contacted my Senator and let him know what I think of "Obamacare" and what the Obama administration is doing, but appart from that and unless more Americans do the same, nothing will happen.

Americans have been brainwashed since the 60s to hate everything which represents the U.S., and the same has been done to other countries including Europe. People have swallowed the lies, exagerations, and the truth has been replaced by "the history of the victors", which unfortunately happens to be the left.

Sorry, but that is the truth. There are people trying to claim "there is no left and right"...well, sorry but there is, and the implementation of leftist ideoglogy is what has been destroying America...

We have had the warnings from former Russian high ranking officers who warned exactly about this....yet noone listened..

Many Americans even think that "the Communist, or red scare" was a sham...and that is exactly what the Socialist elites wanted people to think.

What is happening to the United States happened to Cuba, it happened to Russia, and it's former Communist territories, it happened in one way or another in every country which has been transformed into a Socialist dictatorship, and for decades the players have been setting their sights on the U.S. infiltrating teachers in colleges and Universities to brainwash future generations, government officials, and other powerful people into every infraestructure of the United States...

Their chess game has been working perfectly, and many Americans have been dumbed down too much to even realize what they are embracing.

I have noticed, even in these forums many Americans just don't want to listen to reason, and despite the history of leftist regimes they think "Socialism is the answer", simply because they have been brainwashed to believe this lie.



[edit on 4-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
One day you will be like europe, and will that be so bad?

Europe is not perfect we have rubbish leaders like blair and brown, but at least people have something, not much at least something.


Europe has more crime than the U.S....

Many European countries are near, or are bankrupt with their "Socialized healthcare"....

Yet you want to ask what is so wrong about the U.S. becoming an "European country"?....

How about the fact that the U.S. IS NOT FREAKING EUROPE AND IT NEVER SHOULD BE?....


[edit on 4-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Adonsa
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Republican [in name only] John Cornyn supports obamadineajad's call for more (or unlimited) H-1B replacement workers from India.

J-ROPES (Jones, Reid, obama, Pelosi, Emmanuel, and scum vermin czar Cass Sunstein) is a foreign occupying force with the goal to destroy the US as we know it. Unlimited H-1B replacement workers (just like amnesty for Mexicans) will speed up their process.

Democrats and radical-leftist Republicans, are gonna push amnesty and visa-expansion into law so fast, we won't even have time to buy any preparation-H.
...........


You know what's the ironic part? Liberals, and other leftists like to bash on "neo-cons" but they forget the history of the name "neo-con".... Most "neo-cons" were for a long time LEFTISTS who infiltrated the Republican party for the destruction of the United States as we have known it and for them to implement their Socialist dictatorship in the U.S. disguised as "republicans...but they are only RINOS (Republican in Name Only)

A real Republican upholds and defends the Constitution, and unfortunately all Democrats in power, and most Republicans think the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are just "obsolete papers"....


These people should be fired and the only politicians allowed to retain power should be those who defend, and uphold the principles, and the rights enumerated in the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

IMO the hour is late, and unfortunately I don't think enough Americans will wake up in time to stop the destruction of the Republic.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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it makes you wonder how this big pile of burning SH** excuse for obama care can even be on-going. youd think somebody would regulate all the laws theyre breaking but no! everybody gives this party the benefit of the doubt and its pure BS!

how much abuse can our country and system even take? do people even have a chance of getting out of that brainwashed mentality anymore? do people even care? what do these people even cherish if theyre going to let somebody be president that isnt even from our country, much less a muslim whose forcing vaccinations on people who arent willing to take them?! much less shoot up babies who have no choice or arent even old enough to speak for themselves?! im feeling.... a little peculiar about the whole situation.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by rationaluser
ITT: ultra Right wing republicans upset about having there "hard earned" money taken away from them to better the united states. Sometimes i think the world would be a better place if they just went to texas and it succeeded.


I had to repost this comment.

I think you meant seceded but you had an epiphany or a Freudian slip!

Yes, if the control freaks left something alone, it would-

Succeed!




posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by dplum517
I am drinking the Kool Aid as we speak!!!
For real though, this website is full of fear mongering conservatives just like every where else they are.
I am very sick of this subject. The world is NOT going to end because we implemented a different health care system. Premiums going up!!! What!! That is unheard of!! ........since when have premiums not gone up.
I am a perfectly healthy individual who happens to think that the current health care system hasn't done # for me but instead has tried to rip me off.
Now, I am sure that will continue to happen in different ways but hey, at least we can blame the federal government now.
You rich people can stop your bitching. You will still get your premium health care with all of your money. I don't give one god damn # if the rich people have to pay some more money. QQ yourself to sleep tonight on your king size bed with your yuppie pajamas.


you sounded really intelligent until the "for real though" part. Wait, that was at the beginning. I pay over $40k a year in taxes, and I'm by no means rich. Why should I have to pay for YOU to get health insurance? I can't help it you didn't learn to type or pay attention in grammar classes. People with college degrees don't usually hear "ding fries are done" from their boss. But hey, you keep on keeping on. Put on yor rose colored glasses and enjoy it. It won't be long until we take our ball and go home.

Man....I'd hate to be you!



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:45 AM
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You made me giggle. Loudly! That is hilarious. It's always the uneducated ones who think they know what's right for you. You wouldn't let your kids decide where the family's money is spent, but we let these people vote.

You got a star sir!



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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If the government really really wanted to do it...
They could do it...
If they could keep these wars going as long as they have...
Oddly enough today i realized something..
Constantly as a child I feared the boogy man... Thought that bastard was in my closet..
How was I suppose to know there's more than one and they work for insurance companies...
Scaring people that quality of health care will be reduced for millions...
So will that be from the millions who already have health care or the millions who don't have insurance. Seems like a fair trade up..
Now millions of people will get health care...
And all the people who already had health care will now go their hospitals and see all those people who wouldnt have been there.
Yeah that sounds just about right, reduced quality.
And it's America, you can never make a sacrifice like reducing quality.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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You know what, I think I am going to use that as my signature for awhile.

Should get a few more laughs.

And hey, why did you foe me?



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe

Originally posted by rationaluser
ITT: ultra Right wing republicans upset about having there "hard earned" money taken away from them to better the united states. Sometimes i think the world would be a better place if they just went to texas and it succeeded.


I had to repost this comment.

I think you meant seceded but you had an epiphany or a Freudian slip!

Yes, if the control freaks left something alone, it would-

Succeed!



Actually he doesn't even know the difference between "their" and "there"... No wonder we are screwed...

Third line just in case...

[edit on 5-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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You speak truth ElectricUniverse, and it truly breaks my heart to have to sit and watch an idea that my family for generations thought was possible, and a working existance.

I must appologize if I can't fathom the level of existance the people who are litterally nothing but a bag of hot air that, when squeezed, seem to emit an intelligent sound - but when I sit and listen to the noise that emmanates from them all it sounds like are untuned bag pipes...

It's apparent that somehow, someway, a form of life was created here in American Laboratories that resembles humanity, but it obviously has no clue about what you and I, and several others are even talking about...

The concept of Libery, and intelligence.

When I hear the more pronounced ones actually fomulate a sentence, it almost resembles an immagrant trying to explain a concept to me in what they consider English, but unfortunately the words within those sentences somehow just don't formulate into something cohesive, let alone acknowledgeable by me...

And then there are the 'super intellectuals' that are running the show here in America. Somehow, someway, EVERYTHING I HEAR THAT COMES OUT OF THIER MOUTHS IS ABSOLUTELY UN AMERICAN - WITH NO CONCEPT OF CONSTITUTIONAL CONSCIENCE...

Look at John McCain... How in God's Name could a person like him get into the position he's in, let alone have no clue pertaining to Constitutional Government.

EVERYTHING that comes out of John McCain's Mouth is anti-American by nature.

Nanci Pelosi... Where did she grow up again? It certantly wasn't under the Constitutional Government known as America...

I'm not even going to say much about the person that this thread's topic is about... except for the fact that he is a sympathizer of Islam, and an idealist trained under a Communist Mentor, who somehow, someway had the right words to get him where he is. Did he use the force, and tell everyone - I AM YOUR LEADER....

Then you have Sarah Palin... OH MY GOD!! WHat in the F#$ is THAT?!

Joe Liberman.... I'd like to put an axe right through the top of that martian's dome! When I Think Joe Liberman, I think "Drrrrrooooooonnnnnneeeeeeeee............. zzzzzZZzzzzzzZZZ"

Biden? ... OUT WITH HIS TAXPAYER BOUGHT TEETH....

I seriously want to strip every single politician in Washington of all of their possessions except for the shoes they are wearing, line them up at the tip of the Florida Peninsula and tell them to walk....

Not Bush though... I have something special for him - something that immigrants comming to New York will get the message from, whenever they looked up at the Statue of Liberty, and realize that the object flapping around in the wind on one of the pinnacles of her crown was a former President, that almost succeeded in destroying America, and the pinnacle that enters through the pelvic region, penetrates through the rib cage and off to one side of the skull is testament to what America did to him in response....



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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Greetings Adonsa...

This is the very tip of the pile, that is going to be the downfall of America...

the H1-B replacement worker.

My straw is at a breaking point ladies and gentlemen. I am on the edge, as I cannot continue to let these things take place. to fail to act, is to fail yourself America!

and I'm not a failure.... but have been conditioned to succeed at anything I put in my mind to do - without fail. Without hinderance. Without question. Without fear.

ADVISOR... I think the time has arrived my friend... that you and I resume our research...



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:49 AM
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I'm going to do some research tonight, but I have a question for everybody here, in the event someone knows...

What has become of the Restore the Republic movement? what is going on with NESARA? Is it REAL? Where an I find the official Document containing the NESARA LANGUAGE?

The last I heard anything about tha RTR movement is that they served papers to the Govenors of all 50 States... They have a grand jury set up in each state that supposedly was ready to indict. For God's sake, they even have a video of the Continental Convention they held with the founded representative Grand Juries of each State...

Then *poof* - nothing.... Does anyone here know what's going on, or what happened?



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by endisnighe
 


You know what, I think I am going to use that as my signature for awhile.

Should get a few more laughs.



lmao... that is a decent motto...


where where did you find it?

[edit on 5-5-2010 by DarkspARCS]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by NEWclearMind

Originally posted by dplum517
I am drinking the Kool Aid as we speak!!!
For real though, this website is full of fear mongering conservatives just like every where else they are.
I am very sick of this subject. The world is NOT going to end because we implemented a different health care system. Premiums going up!!! What!! That is unheard of!! ........since when have premiums not gone up.
I am a perfectly healthy individual who happens to think that the current health care system hasn't done # for me but instead has tried to rip me off.
Now, I am sure that will continue to happen in different ways but hey, at least we can blame the federal government now.
You rich people can stop your bitching. You will still get your premium health care with all of your money. I don't give one god damn # if the rich people have to pay some more money. QQ yourself to sleep tonight on your king size bed with your yuppie pajamas.


you said "for real, though" which causes me to judge your whole character and assume you work in a fast food restaurant and have no sort of college education because a college educated person wouldn't just say whatever they felt like saying at all. Everyone should think how I do. I'm not condescending, I'm just retarded

Man....I'd hate to be you!


dunno about that, dude



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
'Fearmongers' Were Right about Obamacare

The CATO Institute published a commentary about an article published in the Orange County Register about a recently published report released by the RAND Corp. that gave summary results of the impact ObamaCare was going to have on various aspects of the plan's goals and outreach.


CATO didn't publish a commentary! They just republished, with attribution, the OCR article which just regurgitated the Rand study, without any factual underpinnings. Remember, Rand was founded by Hap Arnold, who was slightly right of Joe McCarthy. Rand featured such uber-conservative luminaries as Donald Douglas (Douglas Aircraft), Scooter Libby and Herman Kahn, the model for the titular character of the film Dr. Strangelove. Newhouse News reported that then President Nixon had Rand work on a plan for cancelling the 1972 Presidential election. Rand receives substantial funding from the health care industry.


All this about Rand corp. may be true…. But you never disputed the truth of the (regurgitated information as you put it) in the article is


[edit on 5-5-2010 by murfdog]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by DarkspARCS
I'm going to do some research tonight, but I have a question for everybody here, in the event someone knows...

What has become of the Restore the Republic movement? what is going on with NESARA? Is it REAL? Where an I find the official Document containing the NESARA LANGUAGE?


Here are the links I found:
(Good luck figuring out which is official)

NESARA.us

NESARA.gov


Here are other links that are definitely UNofficial:

wikipedia

quatloos - scam

insights

Full plan revealed

Signed into law October 2000

Abolishment of IRS

NESARA and 2012

Truth or Fiction? - FICTION!



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by piddles
yeah I'm not covered so I hafta pay for health care like normal people do, which is out the ass. There's things you can do like go to other countries for surgery and treat yourself holistically but that stuff tends to be expensive as well.


Sooo... the gist of your argument is that, since, for whatever reason, you won't take care of yourself (I dunno - maybe you haven't figured out how, maybe you're squeamish, could be a lot of reasons other than sheer sorriness), so other folks should pay for yet OTHER folks to do it for you? Does that about wrap it up?

I'll tell you what, you folks are more than welcome to impose whatever sort of external control system on yourselves you'd like to, but I'm not buying into it. I'll be just fine as I am, no micromanagement necessary. I'm opting out of your collective.

Before you tell me I 'can't', I'll clue you in - I've thrown my own stitches, set my own breaks, cured my own infections and whatnot, and will continue to do so. I've not found it to be terribly expensive, certainly not as much so as what I've paid into that useless insurance scam. I've not been to see a doctor in 24 years (and that was because the boss MADE me go to remove a troublesome wedding band from a damaged finger - I was just gonna take the band off with tin snips), and am just fine. Meanwhile, all around me, these doctor-running folks are falling by the wayside left and right.

I'm telling ya, there's something wrong there beyond whether or not the government forces me to buy useless insurance I can't afford to use, and don't particularly want to use anyhow.

Nope, I'm not buying into your collective at all. I've got no problems if YOU volunteer to, though. That's the American way - live and let live. Don't force ME into anything, and I'll not force YOU.

[edit on 2010/5/4 by nenothtu]


I mean that's cool and all that you think everyone in the world is the same and has treatable problems, but I don't think I can make my own glasses or fix all the problems I have (what is wrong with me is not relevant to this discussion)

and I love your judgement of my character. I worked at whole foods for 3 years, in addition to having a mother who is a health nut who gives me health literature, exercise videos (the P90 workout is incredible), and nutritional supplements regularly. I take care of myself, I still have health problems, I'm not insured, and have a hard time paying for it while I'm in college.

While you're a bit of a condescending ass, I must admit it is nothing short of remarkable that you've been able to take care of yourself. I am glad there are people like you in the world but that just doesn't apply to everyone.



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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Read the actuary report. What Dark posted here is factual and states the same thing as the actuary report. By the way Obama received 20 MILLION DOLLARS from the healthcare industry during the Presidential campaign. It was the largest amount of all candidates.
I don't believe CBS is bias about Obama in fact we all know they're not. Here is a link where they claimed the same facts.

www.cbsnews.com...




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