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Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by OLDMATE
Interesting, so then what justification exists for the destruction of things that possess lesser self awareness/consciousness than humans? Why should a plant have it's life taken for the survival of a human? Because it's not as self aware or conscious as a human? This invariably implies a superiority complex. One life is valued more highly than another life.
Maybe perhaps, the OP is wrong in lines of thought and conclusion? Maybe you got suckered into agreeing?
Why are you so distressed by the idea of everything being part of a whole?
We are so limited by the universe. We cannot see many things in the universe, and we cannot feel, smell, and hear many things as well. To think we have all answers is stupid. Now I do respect you Sirnex, I enjoy your debates against bsbray, because you are so persistent But even though I know you have very logical reason to believe what you do. You honestly have to know that "we as humans" hardly know anything about the universe, because we are so limited by our senses and dogma. Agreed?
We cannot know how the universe works completely there are tons of phenomena out there. So you honestly cannot be 100% certain that there is no intelligent mechanism behind the universe.
Like what Roger Penrose said, since entropy becomes more random over time, the universe when it first started it might have been in a highly organized state. But who knows. Like I said we are only human.
Originally posted by Gigantea Rosa
Some have gone on to great lengths as to argue that the Universe is the God in which people spoke.
Originally posted by OLDMATE
reply to post by sirnex
I said nothing about humans in the scale of things, no i dont beleive we trump everything else. The fingernail very well may be concious, but not in the same sense as humans are.