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Originally posted by GovtFlu
You don't have to be advised of miranda if the police don't care what you have to say, some times patrol officers with enough information for an arrest will leave miranda up to detectives.. But.. some cops will advise you of miranda right away to make sure everything you say is 'on the record' and admissible.
mccorpse is suggesting something totally abnormal: that all the "facts" be known first.. which from an investigators standpoint is ridiculous.. "facts" are determined in court, not by the police... police make allegations.
Once suspected of a crime anything you say can and will be used against you.. mccain is apparently suggesting waiting until courts determine facts.. either he's senile and has no clue what he's talking about, or is ignorant about a simple tenant of US law.
Follow mccains advice, let the suspect talk ALL he wants outside miranda and risk the suspect admitting guilt / offering evidence that is inadmissible and thrown out.. He is suggesting a procedural change in how police work is usually done, a topic he's not even remotely qualified to speak about... along with a veiled suggestion miranda rights don't matter.
Then, if/when he is found guilty via this due process, revoke his citizenship and expel him from the country.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Excuse me....but wasn't this man BORN in the United States?
Denaturalization is how the US government revokes or cancels your US citizenship because you've done something that's contrary to being a US citizen. There are several things that can jeopardize your citizenship:
* Concealing facts or lying to the immigration officials
* Refusing to testify before the US Congress
* Joining certain organizations
* Receiving certain military discharges
Membership in Subversive Organizations
Membership in a subversive organization or group within five years after you became a naturalized citizen could lead to revocation of your citizenship. The Communist Party and terrorist groups are the classic examples of "subversive" organizations.
In the wake of the arrest of alleged terrorist Faisal Shahzad, a number of Republican politicians have expressed outrage that the naturalized American citizen is being afforded the constitutional rights of citizenship.
Major General (ret.) Paul Eaton told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann on Tuesday, "I am a little surprised that we're here to defend our Constitution against a Republican senator and a Republican representative's attack on it."
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and Representative Peter King (R-NY) have both suggested that it was an error to read Shahzad his Miranda rights and to keep him in the civilian justice system rather than immediately handing him over to the military.
"From a national security perspective, it's damaging," Eaton said of their statements. "Right now, the FBI and our police forces are looking over their shoulder every time they hear a Republican come off with a remark like that. ... Since January of 2009, we have seen a relentless attack on our FBI, on our armed services, on our policemen by the Republican Party. Any opportunity that they can find ... they have pursued. ... I want them to cut it out."
I 100% agree with what he said... But it should have gone "unsaid". He should not be granted the same liberties of a non-terrorist. Water board him?? Hell no ---- I say electro shock therapy. Maybe a few less fingernails after the "interview".
Originally posted by rcwj1975
Originally posted by GovtFlu
I agree, but I think what McCain wants is while they investigate, don't ask him any direct questions and HOPE that he gives up some "spontainious utternce" which IS admissible in court...problem is the utterance has to be made within a REASONABLE timeframe from the actual event....so bottom line is he is pushing the envelope and it could. or probably would, backfire if his advice is followed.
In a case like this I wouldn't have read Miranda right away either after the arrest, for good reason, but I am talking about waiting maybe 3,4,5 hours....not 3,4,5 days....