It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by azz420
reply to post by dherik
I do believe the proof is in the pudding my friend. For every soldier willing to disobey the order to fire upon citizens how many are more than willing to spill a little blood whether it be that of an armed combatant of an unarmed protester? I have no statistics to back this claim up but I do believe that it is more than likely that given the order to fire upon a crowd of protestors some soldiers will follow that order, and once the shooting begins it won't stop, not in the tinderbox that America has become today.
Originally posted by conspiracydude
How could anybody kill their own countryman! I thought only Stalin was capable of such hatred.
Originally posted by heyJude
40 years ago, American men in uniform followed orders to shoot a bunch of American kids protesting against a corrupt government, and an illegal war.
Thanks for reminding ATS of what happened, and could very well happen again.
On May 1, 2007, various news agencies reported the claim of a former student who was injured in the shooting to have uncovered new evidence that the guardsmen had been ordered to fire upon the crowd. Terry Strubbe, a student who lived in a dormitory overlooking the anti-war rally site, placed a microphone at a windowsill and recorded nearly 30 minutes of the event on reel-to-reel tape. He sent a copy of the tape to the FBI and kept a copy in a safe deposit box. The government copy has been archived at Yale University. According to Alan Canfora, who was injured in the wrist that day by a gunshot, a voice can be heard on the tape yelling, "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!" before the 13-second volley of gunfire. Canfora said he has obtained a copy of that tape and that he plans to release it on CD. He wants the government to reopen the investigation.
In another step toward this goal, Canfora provided a copy of the tape to musician Ian MacKaye of the bands Minor Threat and Fugazi, and co-founder of Dischord Records, who digitally enhanced the recording by boosting the volume level and removing tape hiss.
In April 2010, Terry Strubbe, the KSU communications student who recorded the 30 minute audio tape from his dorm room on May 4, 1970, and music producer Joe Bendo announced plans to have it analyzed by a film archivist who can digitize the audio reducing background noise to determine if an order to fire is audible.
Originally posted by Truth1000
I will probably catch some heat for this post, but that is life.
Consider, for a moment, WHO was doing the firing. These were young, poorly-trained National Guardsmen, not front-line battle troops. They were surrounded by so many protesters that they were greatly out-numbered. They were scared. I can tell you this, when soldiers with rifles, especially they are "green" troops, if one person opens fire, it is a natural instinct for the others to follow. Ask any veteran that has been in a prolonged firefight. When a lull occurs, and everyone is tense to see what's going to happen next, if one soldier gets startled by something, and discharges his weapon, the other guys, unsure of what's going on, will discharge their weapons in response. They will try to figure out what's going down, but until they know they are safe, they keep firing.
It was a terrible event, but I would guarantee those guardsmen have rarely gone a day without being sorry for what they did, starting in just a split second of fear.