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Breaking News! Will our lack of border security eventually extinguish America?

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posted on May, 3 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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Breaking News! Will our lack of border security eventually extinguish America?

Hi ATS-er’s, hope you all are well.

I want to apologize ahead of time, this thread may be a bit scattered, but if you can be patient with me, my hope is…we will get somewhere. Meaning, my desire is to create some UNITY here and maybe some insight for America’s leadership…because I think they are reading ATS, even if they don’t admit it. See our recent website record numbers last week.

Well here goes…I think both the LEFT and RIGHT are wrong…and right at the same time. The left are pushing Christian social justice and pushing compassion and worker/immigrant rights, which is consistent with their beliefs…and the right is sayings build a wall and close the borders.

I wonder if the following factitious article really happened, would minds change?

= = = =

“On______, 20__ America was hit again! After years and year’s debate on how to handle this inevitable event with open borders, disagreements from our leaders, and clear early warning signs, many directly from the terrorist’s mouth…see the attached home-made video on American soil from the month before…it appears we have dropped the ball…again!

We now know the death total is well over 5,000. On the day after it happened, President _________ commissioned a group of top philosophical, business and community leader to access ‘why.’

After much internal fighting and debate The _______ Commission decided to utilize a business process assessment tool popularized by a money-making machine, The Toyota Motor Company. The problem solving tool is called 5-Why. The tool’s basic premise is to ask ‘why’ at least five times, which for many decades have lead business leaders to the root cause of a number of issues.

Interestingly enough this tool is counter-intuitive. For example, if you were told that the reason the Jefferson Memorial building was decaying much more quickly than it should be…….and that the reason was because the lights were being turned on, you’d question that logic, wouldn’t you? But it’s true and here’s how the 5-Why gets you there.

Effect - Jefferson Memorial decaying prematurely.
Why? Building being washed to remove bird feces.
Why? Lots of birds coming to eat nats.
Why? Nats are plentiful.
Why? They are attracted to the light coming on early.
Root Cause-Turn on the lights later.

Less nats + less birds + less feces + less washing = longer lasting building.

So the reason the building was falling apart is the lights were turned on!

This same logic was applied to the latest terrorist attacks.

Effect – Over 5000 Americans died.
Why? Terrorists got close enough to kill.
Why? Terrorists went undetected and garnished killing devices.
Why? Terrorists blended in our population.
Why? Terrorists got across the border unimpeded.
Why? Border security had holes in it.
Why? Washington Leaders couldn’t compromise on a solution to protect it’s citizens.

Maybe now they will???

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I placed this thread in the general category to garnish the most input, I hope the mods will allow it…

Questions?

1) Don’t we realize the enemy will use our open borders against us?
2) Am I a paranoid old guy?
3) Can we come up with some suggestions to help our security and future?

OT honored!




posted on May, 3 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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I have to ask... Whats 'BREAKING NEWS' about this thread?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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Are you a person who leans left for compassion, or one who leans right for security?

Is it either/or friends?

OT



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Goethe
I have to ask... Whats 'BREAKING NEWS' about this thread?



It is futuristic...

Are you denying it could happen?

It most certainly would be BREAKING, if it happened?

Are you being sarcastic? Or do you want to help the discourse??

This is no game, huh? Do you know it could happen...



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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Goethe, I have no agenda here...just our safety...you?

OT



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by Goethe
I have to ask... Whats 'BREAKING NEWS' about this thread?



It is futuristic...

Are you denying it could happen?

It most certainly would be BREAKING, if it happened?

Are you being sarcastic? Or do you want to help the discourse??

This is no game, huh? Do you know it could happen...


I guess I'll take that as sarcastic...?

Where you go? ru busy my friend?

OT



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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This is not breaking news.

Why the need to lie?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by OldThinker
 


This is not breaking news.

Why the need to lie?


Please explain...you are an agent of the decieved...your post confirmed...move along, move along....OT never lies, man that was so direct/wrong....you are not for LIFE huh? time will tell....


Sean48?

why would you accuse as such? Come on now????


accuse? "to charge with an offense judicially or by a public process"

u don't know OT, huh?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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OK, alright....

I've had 2 skeptics question the motivation and post.....

And secondly they 'ignored' my reply....

"gotta go" stuff....

I'll take that,

any others?

or am I completely wrong?

Or just somewhat?


any BALANCED (perspective) out there?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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I am for secure borders with no amnesty for the illegals already living here in our country. Giving them amnesty would be unfair to the legal immigrants who went through the system to be here.

And I am for changing the "anchor baby" law. If someone is illegal then their progeny should also be illegal. Reason being that it gives illegals too much incentive to come here.

Employers who hire illegals (includeing subcontractors) should be fined heavily and serve jail time.

I am not rascist, paranoid, or without compassion. I just feel that secure borders are needed if you want to live in a more secure country.

Some might think I am harsh. I think I am being protective of my country and it's citizens.

The hypothetical scenario you describe could possibly happen at the rate we are going.

Why should we risk it?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48


Why the need to lie?


Sean48, u out there?

OT starting to wonder?

Where'd I LIE?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker


Sean48, u out there?

OT starting to wonder?

Where'd I LIE?


On the breaking News part sir.

You seem like a decent chap, maybe i was a bit harsh.

Should have said "mislead" perhaps.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by elaine
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The hypothetical scenario you describe could possibly happen at the rate we are going.

Why should we risk it?

Thx for the post!

Well, you are a voice of REASON here....

but what about our duty for compassion, to help the unfortunate?


OT



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by OldThinker


Sean48, u out there?

OT starting to wonder?

Where'd I LIE?


On the breaking News part sir.

You seem like a decent chap, maybe i was a bit harsh.

Should have said "mislead" perhaps.



Yes!


You have done proper research....

I am here to help....and we can use your input/intellect....

Sean, I am soooooo glad you posted here.

Where should we go from here? Believe me, TPTB are watchin...U2U me for more, ok?

OT Honored you joined!



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by elaine
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The hypothetical scenario you describe could possibly happen at the rate we are going.

Why should we risk it?

Thx for the post!

Well, you are a voice of REASON here....

but what about our duty for compassion, to help the unfortunate?


OT


When you are being taken advantage of or an element of danger to your own country comes into being... you have to draw the line somewhere with the "compassionate bit".



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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No stars?

No flags?

Wow!

Good night all....

OT shocked, hope all are well....I will check in tomorrow.

Night



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


WOW....


Im not sure where o where to begin... But Ill give it a shot.


First... I have no standings politically, as its truly a one party system anyway, just different factions.

Second... I find anyone breaking the law to be in need of correction and or jail. Sometimes people learn just when they are called on their crap, others, sadly, are not.

Third... If you are here illegally, you get sent to jail for 6months then pay some fines and are deported. (atleast thats how it should be.)
If you come back and we catch you again, 3 years in civilian inmate labour program.

Fourth... I consider all free patriots friends and all others of little to no real use.

I think your thoughts could very well happen.

My post was merely an observation about one aspect that was/is quiet misleading.

No harm meant OT, just trying to gauge your reasoning behind your post.

Safety... Safety first then teamwork...



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by Goethe
.....OT, just trying to gauge your reasoning behind your post.

Safety... Safety first then teamwork...



I agree with your point...we should be about our safety first!

The "breaking" part was a lil marketing, that's all.

Thx for your post!

OT



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
No stars?

No flags?

Wow!

Good night all....

OT shocked, hope all are well....I will check in tomorrow.

Night

Ah. Thus the "Breaking News" statement.
We have a "Flag Hound"!

Not cool to create threads with the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people.
ANY people.

This thread deserves no more attention.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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It already has.



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