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Originally posted by sindeestarr
Reply to post by Afterthought
I think this "friend" does not have your best interest at heart, and maybe only wants to hurt you by excluding you. Who knows maybe it's a blessing in disguise. From your interests it sounds like you have many more important things to do than worry about drunkards running around in the woods. So it's not for you. Btw, good luck with the oil spill! Very tragic and what even more tragic, imo, is the people trying to down-play the damage and the incredible scope of this disaster. Boo.
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Originally posted by Afterthought
...please adjust your mind & picture the checkered floor that Masons regard as a symbol of good and evil. Masonic lodges reside on the white squares, but in order to have complete balance, they participate in hashes to reside on the black squares.
Please consider the following ritual quote (reduced for focus & limited space):
WM (Worshipful Master): “What came you here to do?”
SW: “To learn to subdue my passions….”
As a Mason, this is the respectable & acceptable behavior, but people cannot be good all the time, so they must find an outlet for the sinful side of their human psyche, hence their need to participate in kennel activities to achieve complete balance.
You’ll notice from the above hash baptism I referenced, chalk was used in the ritual. This is specifically mentioned within the following quote & relates it‘s Masonic symbolism:
“Entered Apprentices should serve their masters
with freedom, fervency and zeal, which are represented by Chalk, Charcoal, and Clay.
There is nothing freer than Chalk, the slightest
touch of which leaves a trace;”
Concerning the act of baptism, I offer you the following Masonic baptism:
Chap (Probably equivalent to the hash religious advisor): “It is like the precious ointment upon the head,
that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard;
that went down to the skirts of his garments; as
the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that
descended upon the mountains of Zion:”
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.
The hash prayers also pay homage to the sun & always run trails during full moons.
Please consider the following Masonic quote:
“The Three Lesser Lights are the Sun, Moon, and
Master of the Lodge, and are thus explained: as
the Sun rules the day and the Moon governs the
night, so should the Worshipful Master, with equal
regularity, rule and govern the lodge.”
The final similarity I am going to mention is how I referenced that the hashers make the symbol of the ‘X’ with their hands during their prayer. ‘X’s have right angles, so I find the need to parallel it with the following Masonic ritual”
Apprentice advances on his left foot, bringing the
heel of his right into the hollow of his left, thereby
forming the angle of a square.
I can offer you more evidence & similarities, but this is getting a bit long & arduous. I hope I have answered your question as to how the Masonic rituals mirror the hash rituals/prayers.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Good evening, Augustus. Thank you for responding to the examples I listed. I appreciate your thoughtful response & your citations as well. I find you to be a calm, rational debater, which seems to be few & far between these days.
I apologize for leaving out some of the words/phrases you indicated as important, but since I am not a Mason, I am unable to identify these particular things.
I just wish that people would understand that when you're part of a group, especially one that is legally labeled as a society, you should expect to be questioned by the curious. Questioning is a healthy, intelligent, human quality. Desiring to understand & consider another individual's opinion(s) should also never be looked down upon.
a turbulant & bizarre world, I hope I never stop questioning things. I always want to believe that there is good within everything even if I have to poke & prod those who have the answers I seek.
to you, Augustus. Take care.
Originally posted by AlrightyThen
Because the international Hash House Harriers running movement is so decentralized, there is a lot of variety between what we call kennels (clubs). My kennel descended directly from the original, and thus does not have funny names, or the tongue-in-cheek “rituals” that other kennels have. But I can say that those traditions, borrowed from rugby rather than Masons are all done in entirely in jest; a (sophomoric) joke for the sake of entertainment. The Hash never takes itself too seriously (nor should anyone else). They get enough of that in their real lives.
Going back to a historical part, the founding members were not initially military. As was previously mentioned, Gispert was an accountant, others were British colonial administrators, and so forth in Malaya (now Malaysia). That changed on December 7, 1941, when concurrent to the attack on Pearl Harbor, British territories throughout the Pacific were likewise attacked by the Japanese. Gispert and other patriotic-minded people then joined the military. Gispert lies in an unmarked grave today, and it would be pretty far off base to link his sacrifice to the behavior of individuals associated with the Abu Ghraib incident.
Hash kennels around the world have been extremely active and generous to charitable causes. On any given day, one only has to go to the news section of Google and use the term “Hash House Harriers.” I saw two stories there today. The Red Dress Run is held by many kennels around the world to raise funds for local charities. It was thought that the hash should try to make an impact on the local level where it could make a difference. And it has! Over the years, this event alone has raised millions of dollars for very worthy causes.
A quick note about members for life: What? In most kennels, if a stranger shows up with $5 to help cover the costs, he or she is in. Come without money the next time, and you may not be as well-received. While there are exceptions, the Hash is probably less exclusive than the local chess club.
Another point worth making is that there is tremendous diversity between kennels due to the nature of decentralization. That means that what you infer (rightly or wrongly) about one, may not apply to the other.
To summarize truths that we have found in this ongoing discussion:
• The Hash is a non-competitive running club that requires a sense of humor
• The Hash is in no way a religion.
• Any “ritual” is done for laughs and is not uniformly practiced
• The hash is not part of a military cabal engaged in hazing
• The Hash actively engages in raising money for local, charitable causes across the globe.
• If there is a secret handshake, nobody told me.
If there’s any real scandal here, it’s the millions of people that don’t Hash or participate in any other form of physical activity. The shame is the proliferation of sedentary couch potatoes; particularly among young people. If the Hash and its particular brand of humor is not to your taste, I would encourage you to get outside nevertheless and find some form of exercise.