Ok...so pretty much Judy's a man.

I still think this deserves its own thread. I think ATS (since the majority of members no longer visit this thread) won't know what ever happened to this. Therefore, I think you guys should make a thread and pretty much reveal the HOAX and the Hoaxer that is James.

hi all, a bit of extra info from Michael Hesemann: Dear Rich, just to round up the picture, I send you herewith two German legal documents re. James/Judith/Judy van Greunen/de Cadenet/Faltskog: 1. A letter of confirmation that the German State Attorney investigated against James van Greunen because of "fraud" and "misuse of titles". It is very well possible that this caused the sex change operation to start a new life without a criminal record ... 2. A document of the Court of Lindau/Germany when I sued his ex-wife for the return of the advance of DM 3000,-- paid on her account (it was refused because she stated that her account was only used because her husband did not have his own account and due to the dovorce she is not responsible any longer ...) Anyway, the court of law, after interrogating Marion van Greunen, stated: "An interrogation of the former husband of the Defendant, who calls himself Judith Helena de Cadenet after a sex change, was not possible ..." Therefore any denial that this sex change took place and that we are dealing with the same person is just groundless. As you see, the doc bears the official seal of the court and is dated 16 July 1993. Please find the docs (in German, sorry) enclosed! Greetings, Michael Hesemann

here are the documents, i apologise in advance if they are too big or small, i have no way to resize them, but maybe you can download them or look at them on my profile.

thanks

rich



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[edit on 26-5-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

Originally posted by Portugoal
Ok...so pretty much Judy's a man.

I still think this deserves its own thread. I think ATS (since the majority of members no longer visit this thread) won't know what ever happened to this. Therefore, I think you guys should make a thread and pretty much reveal the HOAX and the Hoaxer that is James.

Now that's a thought! It ought to satisfy the bulk of those demanding that this be thrown in the HOAX bin, by publicly announcing that it's a hoax, while at the same time affording the opportunity to absolve the OP from blame as being complicit in it.

If anyone is up to it (there has been a LOT of material uncovered here!), I'll grant my permission to copy and paste my posts, or relocate them, or whatever is necessary and proper in making such a thread.

What about it, mods? What's the procedure?

Edit to add: it also has the advantage of bringing the issue back to the fore, and possibly making it tougher for these people to continue the hoax, as they seem to be determined to do.

[edit on 2010/5/26 by nenothtu]

So, I see the continuing saga of 'Judygate' has now
defined it's characters!

Thinking on my my feet... (my high heels, actually)... I would
say that this complex tale should end with Wayne (probably
played by Brendan Fraser, due to casting costs) and a bodice-
ripped Judy -sans ASAN cap (played by Eddie Izzard), racing
down a back-lit tunnel hand in hand.

Of course, the 'baddies' will have lackies dressed in semi-
Asian uniforms of blood-red sashes and dusty beards.
(I shivered there!)

Their huge scimitar swords flash and glint... (is it getting warm
in here?)... in the water-dripping tunnel and their teeth show
with menace.
On and on, they'll run... fleeing the hordes. Wayne's muscles
will shine with sweat, but he'll hold onto our heroine's hand with
a gentleness... (Phew! I'll just undo my starling-egg-blue blouse
top buttons).. rarely seen on today's silverscreen.

Meanwhile... the brains of the operation (and I can't help seeing
Donald Pleasance sat in a wheelchair stroking his pussy) sits
spider-like in the main hall and taps the controls with a shiny
gloved hand and ponders the wrath that 'Solomon's Key' will
bring down on the world.

Don't forget... if the story needs to show London... (in fact, in the
movies, London is the only inhabited area of the UK!)... you will
need to have a passing red double-decked bus.
If the tale calls for New York... yellow cabs and irate passing
commuters on the steam billowing streets.
Paris is easy, Eiffel Tower and accordian music overlaid.

But at some point, our intrepid duo will need to take on the
Kalahari Desert, for cost purposes, White Sands -New Mexico
should do... (hell, Transformers got away with it)
Make sure Judy's attire is a little low-cut and the sword slashes
in Wayne's off-white shirt show only a little of his six-pack.

Also for your list, you must remember when the scene
where Doc Judy is tied to a 'Iluminati' rocket and our Wayne
is struggling to beat the countdown clock and the tight knots,
and Judy confesses she used to be a dude...
make sure there's no hint of 'Crying Game' music.
Oh!... and make sure she wears a Doctor's white coat a lot...
that way, we've played the equal-opportunties card early on.

Did I miss anything?

Great thread.




[edit on 26-5-2010 by A boy in a dress]

*BIAD bows and the audience wonders if this
strange creature had eyes, would it wink?*

I do apologise to the folk out there who are probably
making a tidy sum of money off the backs of the gullible
and the lost... it's a great market for the souless and they
should be applauded.
But still, when a guy who has maybe struggled to bring his
family up in hard times, is shuffling home in the wee-small
hours from a low-paid nightshift job and glances up to the
heavens, whilst pondering when he was gonna get a break
and spys coloured lights doing odd manouvres in total silence.

When the same guy then watches three specks of light speed
away in different directions... one over the gasworks, one over
'Big Barbara's Hair Salon' and the last fleeing over the corrugated
rooftop of 'Saucy Cyril's House Of Flowers'-then the dude is
gonna want some answers.

But to charge him beaucoup dollars (okay, you get the T-shirt)
just to listen to re-hashed drivel that always-always means you
have to attend the next seminar... it all seems a little 'Elmer Gantry'

The TV is no better, I must have watched over a hundred programmes
about the Ufo phenomena and there're all the same.
Think about this... if you have no interest in silly flying saucers and
little green men, would you stay up late to watch these poorly
-produced programmes?

Yet, a strong manly voice always starts in with the beginning of
the Ufo phenomena beginning in Roswell, New Mexico and then moves
onto Project BlueBook. (As NOBODY heard of these things?)
After 20 minutes of a bland-yet conspirital-sounding history, they
eventually get to the 'Rendlesham Airbase incident' (30 years old!)

Charles Halt is wheeled out and he gives his account, then Nick
Pope a.k.a the british Mulder -comments that in his time at the
Ministry, he saw documents pertaining to odd occurences and
then in the final mintues, we're left with the solomn-sounding
narrator asking us to watch the skies and hope.

Maybe this should've been in the 'Rant' section... I'm sorry.
But it makes my corset stretch, everytime I hear of the damn
vultures of this world preying on folk who just want to know
what's going on.

Great thread though!

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
I do apologise to the folk out there who are probably
making a tidy sum of money off the backs of the gullible
and the lost... it's a great market for the souless and they
should be applauded.

You know, in all seriousness, I often wondered what the motive is for this kind of hoaxing. Of course money - but really ... can you REALLY make that kind of cash [to live on] in the UFO hoaxing field?

I came on this website because I had an interest in the paranormal, and UFO phenomenon and really thought that I would find something new and exciting and and I have to say, that I have done a complete turn-around to now being a de-bunker. So many hoaxes and so many hoaxers have jaded me. It's like a poison.

But I disagree with you slightly BIAD. It's not the market that souless - it's the perpetrators.

Have a good evening.

- Hermit.

Originally posted by dcmb1490
Point is: she resides in SA and had Observatory time and she is a personal friend. Author has dealings with the observatory and its staff, so he must know her. Am I grasping?

Read too much and need a break but it all smells to me. but that's my opinion. Oh, and the "hot ticket" portion highlighted too much and can't correct. was pointing out he is listed as a" renown astronomer"

Oh yeah!

Earlier, when it was just starting to come crashing down, Wayne tried to distance himself from her by stating, rather emphatically, that he didn't know the woman, had never seen her, and just met her on facebook 6 months ago, or something to that effect... and now this?

Yeah man, I'm even getting a whiff of that all the way over here. Back in a while. I have to go outside and check the bottoms of my shoes...

hi all, ive solved the problem with the document images, so here they are again, hopefully io full size!.



thanks

rich

Sorry Mr. Hesemann.

That was Google's way of translating. I should have known better, shucks, I can't even type English, lol.

I was able to take it out and again I apologize for the translation.

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