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Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by Bedlam

Looks like you are right on the money. I knew it sounded fishy when she said far-UV and radio telescope in the same sentence

Radio telescopes
Main article: Radio telescope
The Very Large Array at Socorro, New Mexico, United States.

Radio telescopes are directional radio antennas used for radio astronomy. The dishes are sometimes constructed of a conductive wire mesh whose openings are smaller than the wavelength being observed. Multi-element Radio telescopes are constructed from pairs or larger groups of these dishes to synthesize large 'virtual' apertures that are similar in size to the separation between the telescopes; this process is known as aperture synthesis. As of 2005, the current record array size is many times the width of the Earth—utilizing space-based Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI) telescopes such as the Japanese HALCA (Highly Advanced Laboratory for Communications and Astronomy) VSOP (VLBI Space Observatory Program) satellite. Aperture synthesis is now also being applied to optical telescopes using optical interferometers (arrays of optical telescopes) and aperture masking interferometry at single reflecting telescopes. Radio telescopes are also used to collect microwave radiation, which is used to collect radiation when any visible light is obstructed or faint, such as from quasars. Some radio telescopes are used by programs such as SETI and the Arecibo Observatory to search for exterrestrial life.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by Marrr

yes, we've already discussed that possibility and i tried to contact a mr michael hesemann on a german website because he was the source of that claim, however now ive seen more and more of judys photos im not convinced of the sex change, i think that was just another invention by jimmy van greunen. im more inclined to think that judy is either jimmy van greunens wife or sister, but we are trying to find more links between them all.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 05:45 PM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:40 PM
What most humans don't appreciate is that The
Galactic Federation of Light are bound by a code
to wearing 70's-style attire at their meetings.
Wide pear-shaped collars, chiffon scarves, silver
boots (cuban-heel, of course) and flowing gowns of
crappy green and blue silk.

They meet in space, talk about how they aren't going
to reveal themselves to habitants of planets, except
the odd few through crop circles, flashing lights at
night and anal probing.
I know many here already are aware that the common
language of The Galactic Federation is english... and often
spoken in a posh 'english butler-like' accent.

I'm not sure whether they still use the UV broadband
line to talk to the 'Fed' situated in other galaxies... there
was a change over when it was found that Richard Dean
Anderson had 'tinkered' with one of the main Telescope

Dr. Judy was requested to visit the Mothership orbiting
not far from the moon, I recall she was impressed by the
large fins at the rear of the craft, you know... near the
where the rockets are stored?

She was to liason between NASA and the Fed in finding a
vague and entriguing way of letting the denizens of this blue
orb that there was no such thing as aliens.
If you turn to page 37 of this month's minutes, you'll see that
it was decided to make school boy errors in describing how
we had discovered other civilisations and to involve a guy who
writes books for a living... I believe Dan Brown was first
Job done!

Anyway it worked, The Fed suceeded in duping the Earthmen
and two humans were thrown to the lions to be ridiculed.
I discovered only yesterday (yesterday?... on the internet?!)
that the imfamous NASA cap was an REAL accident and that
reversed badge was Robin Williams's fault.
I hope this helps.

Great thread though, keep it up!

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:52 PM

Originally posted by nenothtu
Well, I'm 48 or 50 or something like that, and from my perspective, the "Judy in a NASA hat' picture doesn't appear to be of a 45 year old woman. Looks to me to be in her 30's. Now, appearances can be decieving, and there's always the off chance that it's a really old picture, But I'm going on two separate identities, one or both of which may have been completely fabricated.

Happens all the time. The 'me' who spent time overseas isn't the 'me' who IS these days. Sucks when I fill out job applications - either way I go, there's a 'gap' in my history!

I'd bet real money that NASA wouldn't hire me...

[edit on 2010/5/14 by nenothtu]
I will be 41 next month, and no one ever believes I am four decades old. Looks can be very deceiving! My avvie picture is a week old. Anyway, this has been one of the most interesting cases. I think she looks my age and I think she is pretty. I saw the Nasa hat picture, I thought forty or so was correct, but it could have been an older picture.

I find the Judy Identity story more fascinating than the nasa signal story, and it is all thanks to the great detectives here at ats!! Off to finish reading the thread. I am a bit behind.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 09:07 PM
reply to post by hotbakedtater

Well! You've held up pretty well! I myself look a good bit older than I am, but as my dear old dad used to say "It ain't the years, boy, it's the miles!"

Given our political differences, though, I'll avoid asking you out for dinner and drinks, even though you've done good in the aging department.

You're right on the money, as far as the shift in mystery has gone. As far as I'm concerned, the Signal Story has been thoroughly debunked enough, but the identity angle is a good bit more intriguing. To pin down the actual personalities involved should open a wide window into motivations. That's actually even MORE interesting from a human standpoint than confirmed alien communications. And, as BIAD so astutely observed just above, these types of nefarious goings on muddy the waters considerably, and could very well AID folks who would prefer to keep any such communications secret.

I have to go now. The aliens are beaming UV through the cable system, and it's mucking up the reception on my FM radio with all their nefarious jamming, so I have to wiggle the satellite dish outside my house to clear it up...

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 09:59 PM
Wow oh wow, didn't know she was a vampire too.

But it makes sense. UV kills vampires and I think it just might kill this thread.

How ironic.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 10:26 PM
reply to post by nenothtu

Thats ok, we dont have to date we can just debate!!

Now back on topic, I searched for her supposed book. I wonder why such a "net savvy" person (or net attention hog) would not publish on Scribd.

As far as Wayne, I think his book sounds interesting and worth a read, regardless. He seems to touch on a lot of topics I like.

Their connection could be as simple as friending on facebook. I have friends I made through pages I tend to frequent, and I dont know these people from adam. But someone could take the fact i post on so and so's wall as we are in cahoots if they so chose, it would be simple to do.

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 12:34 AM

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by nenothtu

Now back on topic, I searched for her supposed book. I wonder why such a "net savvy" person (or net attention hog) would not publish on Scribd.

Try searching for it in German.
I found it by searching for "Die aenstrianischen Enthüllungen" but of course this is written by James van Greunen or Major James van Greunen and not "Judy".
But then I would assume it would be in german. (?)

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 05:56 AM
reply to post by A boy in a dress

@ BIAD, your writing talents and imagination are wasted on this website, im quite sure that you could come up with some far more convincing and entertaining storys than wayne, judy and jimmy, i for one would buy your books!.



posted on May, 20 2010 @ 08:02 AM
reply to post by RICH-ENGLAND

Thank you Rich, you are very kind.
It's just the format for these hoaxes always remains the
same and i'm quite sure the hoaxer knows that even
though many here will see through the ploy, our yearning
to find aliens zooming around in space will keep us hanging
on their every word.

They tempt you with a proclamation and stumble to show a
'realness' They assure you they will bring more sugar soon for
you to gobble up and you become grateful and forgiving as they
lead you down the track.

Words can be used to make us do and believe anything... the internet
is seventh-heaven for word-play.

Phew! that was deep.
I think I deserve a new set of nylons after that!

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 10:27 AM
reply to post by hotbakedtater

And there are some not so good reviews out there.

From a blog:

SA's Erich von Däniken?
« on: September 07, 2006, 18:16:13 PM »

Originally from Zimbabwe, Wayne Herschel now lives in Durban, South Africa, and gives the old "luminaries" like Erich von Däniken, Graham Hancock, Zacharia Sitchin, Robert Bauval, etc. a very crisp run for their money in terms of purveyed twaddle volume. His book (The Hidden Records) is worth knowing about only insofar as it represents a nadir of critical thought. It's a right royal pain to read not least because of its poor language. Some of the reader reviews seen at the above link are worth reading, and it will be seen how polarised the book's readership is.

IMO sounds like he writes like a bore. His replies to this thread were not well written either. But JMO.


posted on May, 20 2010 @ 03:31 PM
Spent two days reading nothing but a lot of tie-in information. Here

are some of the highlights:

1. After sex change James Van Greunen became- Judith Helena de

Cadenet-van Greunen,

2. Arthur Shuttlewood (1920 - 1996) Was 44 years old when the

Warminister reporting began. Retired from UFology in early 1980's when

he was in poor health and started having serveral mini strokes.

3.From Judy's website:

To the memory of my Dear Friend Arthur Shuttlewood (1920 - 1996) who

shared Physical Contact with the Aenstrians over many years with me.

4. judy faltskog - States she was born: Jonkoping,Sweden in 1965

5. Kalahari statement and Waynes own statement here on ATS:


From all this it is clear to see that case has been fraught with

controversy and bizarre reports continue to add to the confusion.

There have recently been claims that a French Intelligence officer was

murdered whilst investigating the case.

Wayne and Judy;s take:

A British ex special ops expert (bald guy) who was televised

deciphering the most advanced binary encrypted code became a missing

person after the TV documentary (by the way which was produced in the

Netherlands) ... they released his decryption and shocking message (on

my link).

The man was found floating in the Sea and reported as a suicide.

6. A lot of websites are calling this story fishy:

Recent website reviews: - possible

hoax to sell books. - possible

false signal.

Still digging.

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 09:11 AM
Keep going dcmb1490, you're doing sterling work.

This stuff seems riddled with potholes and mazes
that in any case, will leave a sceptic confident that
all stories of Ufos are initially bogus and a true
believer will end up stood bewildered out in the wind.

The idea that they are doubted, ridiculed and then ignored,
when approached to prove their accounts would make me
work harder to prove myself true.

These guys seem to scuttle away and giggle at their latest
prank to squash people's hopes and dreams.

Thank you Dr. Judy... you're a pill.

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 05:02 PM
Thank you BIAD.

I did find a German site that talks about Karne and South Africa Pre Judy's stated birth and OMG, its word for word (almost) Judy's childhood and adult abduction stories. Listen to her on Blogradio and read the German translated book. Exact.

snippet from German translation:

German to English translationShow romanization

1974-1990, South Africa, James Forbes, son of Andromeda

James Forbes is from Johannesburg, South Africa on Earth

incarnate alien. In his youth he was by Karn,

his father from the planet in the galaxy Andromeda AENSTRIA

contacted and prepared for his earthly task.

1967th Even the British UFOlogists Arthur SHUTTLE-WOOD is one of

Karn from AENSTRIA contacted, as well as Prof. HERNANDEZ from Mexico,

also from the planet in the galaxy Andromeda AENSTRIA

was contacted.

1986th Forbes and SHUTTLE-WOOD meet. The Briton is the

South Africans an image 'of his' Karn. This identifies his

Father in tears.

1974, November. James, 9 years old, lying in the sun and observed

the changing cloud formations, when he slightly between the clouds

sees flashes. He recognizes an ellipsoid, metallic gray

Flying object, which executes maneuvers that conventional aircraft

would be impossible. His interest in UFOs is raised since then.

1979th At 14, Forbes comes to high school, where Henry learns GREEF

know, a boy with the same interests. They found a

UFO club.
German to English translationShow romanization
1980th On a Saturday both parents to go with James Van Der

Bijlpark, 30 km from Johannesburg, as the engine of their car in the

Evening twilight exposes. The landscape is suddenly in a

brilliant light bathed and James sees out the window

bright orange-colored spheroid object 400m above them in the

Air hanging. James gets out, followed his father and Henry. The 50m

general object comes closer silently radiates from hot air. You

Hatches can make that make a soft greenish-blue light

reaching the outside. Then James recognizes one male, bearded figure,

the slowly approaching one of the hatches, looks through the hatch,


high forehead, bright blue eyes, strong trained

Cheek bone. At that moment, shoot a thousand feelings of

Memory of James head. He knows that he knows of that nature, you feel

that the eyes look deep into his heart and read his thoughts

can. Then remove the object again, changed in 400m

Distance from orange color to silver-blue, shot straight into the

Height. James mother is still anxious in the car.

Shortly after James dies grandfather and grandmother moved to her

House. She is a very religious woman who reads it every night from the

Bible and pray for him. When James her of his experiences

says she only smiles and says - 'Fascinating, wonderful, it

done so already. Do not worry, my boy. You will be the

understand everything very soon. " - And he has not long after

. Wait

1980 mid-year. James wakes up early with a clock against 3.00

terrible thirst. He wants to get up, go to the kitchen to

get something to drink. As he straightens up he feels that his

Legs can not move outside a strong wind is howling. Suddenly

James noticed how a blue mist in the middle of his room

formed. In the middle of the mist a ball toys are made of light blue.

This explodes silently, it illuminates the whole room. From the light

a human figure shapes of about 2.30m size, up to the ceiling

reaching. Two silver-blue eyes looking at him, a face he

knows, the same face he previously through the hatch of the

Space-ship saw. The man who stands before him, finally, is with

wearing a white suit, carrying a golden sign, a

Triangle in a seven-star.

The man raises his right hand in greeting and says - 'Kodois, Kodois,

Kodois, Adonai Tsabyote. " - Is the meaning - 'Holy, Holy

God, the Lord of Hosts. " James knows that time does not

Importance of greeting and repeats it easy. The stranger says -

'Do not worry, I'm Karn, your father from the planet AENSTRIA.

Watch For a long time and we can direct you. But today is the

Day of your awakening came, now you shall know the truth.

You are voluntarily came to earth to here on a mission to

To attend to the humanity in the transition to a new era for

Side stand. This task is very difficult because many of you will

Experienced attacks from the outside, but their goal is to awaken the

Help mankind. "

Then turns KARNER to the grandmother, who now also

is awake. Awe she fell to her knees and stares

motionless on what happens - 'Worship not me, but the

Creator. Also, I am only a servant of God, as you yourself Rise

So out from the ground, get up. I thank you that you are about my

Son, have taken care of. Many years ago I asked you a question

now you have become old. From now on I will own my son

teach what he has to know. " At this moment the awakened

Past in James, he calls, in tears - "Father, father!" KARNER

says farewell - 'I must go now, but I will in seven

Days to come back. " He turns back into a ball

Light. This then disappears as suddenly as if the light

been turned off. While James still breathless to the place

stares at the just stood Karn, it clarifies the grandmother on

'Many years ago I was careful as a young girl sheep on the farm

the parents when a disc landed in a field. Karner me

invited to come on board. At that time I thought he is an angel

God and followed him. He told me that one of them in

the future incarnate on earth would deal with many other against

to fight the forces of evil and the latter was a son of one of my

his daughters. He explained that many members of his people

Now assume earthly incarnations would to God's plan

to serve. I should make sure that this boy, his son, a

spiritual education gets. So that is the secret that I

Always with me wore. "


Whats up with all of the claims by kids (according to birth info) being old friends with Mr. Shuttlewood. If the date of this information is as old as it says, then Judy is an outright liar. If not, there is just too much nonsense going on.

Digging on the German side now. I want a photo of out Major James.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by dcmb1490]

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 06:24 PM
Interesting... if 'James' was 9 in 1974, and 14 in 1979, then that places his birth in 1965 - same as 'Judy'. I'm with you. We need a picture of 'James' now, to compare with the photos of 'Judy'.

Interesting story. Wish I had just one nickel from each one of these 'saviors' who have been 'sent' by aliens to save the world from itself, as 'James's' story reads. He's by no means the only one of these one-of-a-kind important saviors. Mighty important folks, they must be!

If he has indeed become 'Judy', does that mean he has to give up his important savior status? What do they call female saviors?

Lordy, it just makes me want to go buy a case of books, so I can be 'saved' by these important folks too!

Edit to add: BIAD, you and I need to get together so we can write a Really Important Book with a Really Important Message and sell enough of them to help the world save itself. I think, between the two of us, we have all the sexual identity bases covered, and all the Really Important Knowledge covered, so we ought to have a leg up on James/Judy. As an added bonus, we could BOTH be in the same room for book signing tours at the same time!

[edit on 2010/5/21 by nenothtu]

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 07:58 PM
reply to post by dcmb1490

You want pics of James? Maybe I've found something.
I've been sitting on this link for a couple of days now 'cause I really don't like to put things out there that are useless to the thread, but maybe there is something to this.

It's another obscure german forum
Google translated again - sorry Rich_England.
(Note: the first post has been set in white type so it's a bit hard to read.)

Basically the OP posted an invitation to a Presentation Evening (2008) by a one Oliver Gerschitz (rain meeting) - the theme being the Philadephia Experiment (co-hosted by Andreas von Rètyi who was one of the investigators on the Kalihari AND Lesotho incidents and who, from memory, was a believer in van Gruenen's testimony.)

If you look at the comments by other posters it gets interesting, mentioning Judy and James Van Greunen, but it is pretty hard to read as the translation isn't real good. Looking in to Oliver Gerschitz though, well, that's a whole other new ballgame.

Sorry if this makes things more confusing. Do y'all think that this Gerschitz is connected to James or Judy??

- Hermit

Note: dcmb1490, pls check your u2u

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 08:09 PM
reply to post by Netties Hermit

Great information. I have a feeling we are nearing the bottom of this drama.

Checked U2 and did not see a new message. will check back in a few, off to translate.

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 08:13 PM
Moved out of space exploration to science. Now back to space exploration again. Who is keeping this thread here and why?

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 08:52 PM
reply to post by Netties Hermit

Bummer. I couldn't see the picture, it just placed a (text) marker there. Must have something to do with my script-blocker. I did notice the birth year, however. Dovetails nicely.

JVG 'investigating' his/her own 'incident' under yet ANOTHER name? Ain't this just getting twisted along! If that turns out to be the case, it's sort of like letting the fox guard the hen house, eh?

Anyhow, I'm off to try to find a workaround to get at the photo, and in the meantime, if someone could post it here, that might help.

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