Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
what is a special ops expert doing decoding the most advanced binary encrypted? is that what special ops are trained to do?. if this supposed ex special ops expert was televised doing this then he and that story must be public domain, so why can't wayne talk about it or name him?. sorry but i just aren't buying it, same old same old rubbish.

thanks

rich

Wouldn't you expect it to be a cryptographer? But the truth is, if it's an alien broadcast, it's not like they've encrypted some Terran language somehow, you have no idea WHAT material it is. How would you know when you've decrypted it correctly? There's just a bunch of gibberish either way.

Not to mention that we can't decrypt (well NSA says they can) relatively simple prime factor codes in polynomial time without using quantum processors. There are more complex encryption methods (chaotic encryption for one) which may defy quantum techniques. And these are aliens - they won't think like us, so who KNOWS what sort of encryption they'd come up with?

On top of that, I would expect a special ops comm operator to be really versed in using the tools he has available from his government, able to improvise comm equipment given parts from vehicles and what not, and able to repair gear in the field, to some extent. A lot of them double as explosives experts, at least in SF in the US, it's pretty common to see the Echo do Charlie backup work.

But these guys are generally not college grads, unless they're officers, and for the most part it's going to be rare/unimaginable to see a PhD level guy as a field SAS guy or SF. By far, US special ops are NCOs or warrant officers, and the few SAS guys I've met were all NCO equivalents as well. I would not expect "a British special ops expert" to be a brainiac at decoding alien transmissions. That's what you have the eggheads for.

I see it as being similar to invoking Hoagland or Tesla or whomever in order to try to paint his statement with an authenticity brush. If he'd said an SAS comm expert had tracked down an alien transmission and shot the little gray bastid in the gob with a rifle from 800 meters, THAT I could believe. But I don't buy the "special ops" whitewash as applying to some sort of advanced quantum crypto work, either.

reply to post by Bedlam


i totally agree, i just couldn't be bothered to go into depth explaining all the flaws with that story, for me wayne tried to add credence with that but just absolutely hammered the final nail in the coffin of this story.

ive been watching this thread from the beginning and was skeptical but still willing to give it the benifit of the doubt for a while but its just got more and more silly and outlandish as its gone on, and wayne just seems to be subtly and at time not so subtly trying to drum up interest in himself, his storys and his book!.

and yes im absolutely certain that no s.a.s or similar british special ops/forces guy would ever be trained in decrypting advanced binary and neither would hardly any if anyone at all the british armed forces, it would more likely be done by m.i.5, m.i.6, or contracted cryptographers like the bletchley park guys in ww2.

thanks

rich

Who, exactly, introduced the whole "crop circle" angle into this thread? If it was Wayne, it sounds like he's given up on trying to convince objective, rational people and trying to see how far he can run with unquestioning believers. If it was some-one else, in what way do you think this extraneous distraction helps the case?

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
and yes im absolutely certain that no s.a.s or similar british special ops/forces guy would ever be trained in decrypting advanced binary and neither would hardly any if anyone at all the british armed forces, it would more likely be done by m.i.5, m.i.6, or contracted cryptographers like the bletchley park guys in ww2.

It would be done by GCHQ, which handles all the UK's sigint. Click here for their website. It could conceivably come under their remit under the heading of national security concerns I suppose.

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it: Zipf analysis is an intriguing concept, but not necessarily uncontroversial. It's not unlike the early 20th Century vogue for counting up the words in a book, determining the average length of its words, comparing that to a similar figure for another author and determining who "really" wrote an unattributed or debated work. It was used to prove Kit Marlowe wrote "Shakespeare." It also proved Kit Marlowe wrote "Goldfinger." Personally, I like the idea, but it's not definitive.

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
what is a special ops expert doing decoding the most advanced binary encrypted? is that what special ops are trained to do?. if this supposed ex special ops expert was televised doing this then he and that story must be public domain, so why can't wayne talk about it or name him?. sorry but i just aren't buying it, same old same old rubbish.

thanks

rich

Wouldn't you expect it to be a cryptographer? But the truth is, if it's an alien broadcast, it's not like they've encrypted some Terran language somehow, you have no idea WHAT material it is. How would you know when you've decrypted it correctly? There's just a bunch of gibberish either way.

Not to mention that we can't decrypt (well NSA says they can) relatively simple prime factor codes in polynomial time without using quantum processors. There are more complex encryption methods (chaotic encryption for one) which may defy quantum techniques. And these are aliens - they won't think like us, so who KNOWS what sort of encryption they'd come up with?

On top of that, I would expect a special ops comm operator to be really versed in using the tools he has available from his government, able to improvise comm equipment given parts from vehicles and what not, and able to repair gear in the field, to some extent. A lot of them double as explosives experts, at least in SF in the US, it's pretty common to see the Echo do Charlie backup work.

But these guys are generally not college grads, unless they're officers, and for the most part it's going to be rare/unimaginable to see a PhD level guy as a field SAS guy or SF. By far, US special ops are NCOs or warrant officers, and the few SAS guys I've met were all NCO equivalents as well. I would not expect "a British special ops expert" to be a brainiac at decoding alien transmissions. That's what you have the eggheads for.

I see it as being similar to invoking Hoagland or Tesla or whomever in order to try to paint his statement with an authenticity brush. If he'd said an SAS comm expert had tracked down an alien transmission and shot the little gray bastid in the gob with a rifle from 800 meters, THAT I could believe. But I don't buy the "special ops" whitewash as applying to some sort of advanced quantum crypto work, either.

That would be Basildon Bond whom you are talking about Bedlam, so I don't expect him to jump in the lake, he would take the pill instead. Anyway I think one of the messages, has alreadly mentioned the signals as being an "Advanced form of binary code" (whatever that could be, something that is not 0's and 1's?) So presumably, the crop circles would use the same system, maybe numerology and language are the same thing to these aliens!

reply to post by Karilla


thanks for that mate, i didn't know exactly who dealt with it but i knew it wouldn't be armed forces, can you imagine it now "s.a.s parachutes into russia with roadrunner supercomputer strapped to back to decrypt a new advanced binary used by russia to wage cyber war" lmfao!!!

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rich

Whilst this is slightly off topic i think your wrong about the SAS,there the best the uk have,you have to be extremely intelligent to get in,its not just about how they use a weapon!as for the comment about them parachuting in,who else would be better


regards to all

reply to post by FeatheredSerpent


i know the s.a.s and s.b.s are the best in the uk, im from there! and they would be right up there with the worlds best special forces but they simply DO NOT decrypt advanced binary code in any way shape or form.

thanks

rich

reply to post by FeatheredSerpent


you mis understood my post, the joke wasn't at all about the s.a.s parachuting, it was about the equipment they would need to decrypt advanced binary and the fact that they don't decrypt advanced binary!

thanks

rich

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by FeatheredSerpent

 

they would be right up there with the worlds best special forces

they are right up there above the worlds best special forces.

I took the liberty of correcting the errors in your post.

The regiment would only secure the scene for the ops..

2nd line..

reply to post by Arkady


haha, i only wrote that as to not invoke the wrath of anyone from any other country and to avoid changing this thread into a special forces vs thread and debate.

yes our s.a.s and s.b.s are widely regarded as the very best in the world but i purposely avoided saying such thing as im sure a few people would love to disagree, i know someone attatced to s.b.s but obviously i can't say.

but anyway the point still stands, s.a.s and s.b.s and other u.k special forces do not decrypt advanced binary ! haha

thanks

rich

Reply to post by cosmicpixie

I guess I can see that. My degree's in English and I probably spend too much time reading into things with many times a far too critical eye, forgetting that often times colloquialisms can read a wholly separate way. On the other hand, if someone is very measured in how they write, it could be read as foreshadowing--pretty much all I was pointing out.


Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

PAGING DOCTOR JUDY!!!

DOCTOR JUDY!!!?

JUUUUUUDY!

Oh man...this thread is dangerously close to becoming the hoax I foretold of.

Aliens may (or may not have) delivered the message to me early...so if you are just catching on now- do not feel too bad.

JUDY IF YOU CAN READ THIS TELL THE ALIENS TO FLASH THEIR LIGHTS OVER MY HOUSE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES!

Man...Wayne, you really got me worried enough to buy a book or two.

Always thought this would be relevant to threads such as this;

Alien life will be discovered within next 20 years

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by Karilla

 

thanks for that mate, i didn't know exactly who dealt with it but i knew it wouldn't be armed forces, can you imagine it now "s.a.s parachutes into russia with roadrunner supercomputer strapped to back to decrypt a new advanced binary used by russia to wage cyber war" lmfao!!!

thanks

rich

Well...I have seen instances where SF or those Navy guys (walruses? otters?) wagged some specialized equipment on-site to intercept communications that weren't otherwise accessible and couldn't be gotten to physically any other way.

But it was more a "deliver the box, hook it up, and wait for the green light, don't get caught" sort of thing than whipping out a pencil and developing a new theory for information processing whilst sitting around in ghillie suits.

edit ps:

The CIA has a very small handful of field eggheads on the Special Activities team, so I guess that's a possibility, although I have no idea if any are cryptographers.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Bedlam]

reply to post by Bedlam


i think you mean the u.s navy seals, and yes im sure every team that goes in a mission will have a comms expert with them, and yes they will probably at times be involved in missions that involve some code cracking of some sort, or they may may be involved in a mission to deliver, protect or destroy equipment of that nature or be an escort and protection squad for a cryptographer. but an actual special forces soldier decrypting advanced binary i just dont buy one bit!!!. lol

another scenario that isn't beyond the realms of possibility is that a special forces comms expert went on to be a cryptographer at a later stage but i still think waynes little story is a sham, its either totally made up or hes added a few things to give it a bit more spice.

in fact, it sounds like the plot to a really corny steven seagal movie "ex special ops guy turned cryptographer decodes alien signal to thwart alien invasion" a kind of hybrid of independence day and under seige! lol

but the way wayne describes this guy as a special ops "expert" leads me to believe he is just some guy that wrote a book/books on special ops rather than being an actual operator but hes give him that ambiguous title to make him sound more credible and exciting! haha

thanks

rich

I didn't see this posted anywhere -if it has been... sorry!

Don't know if this is true or not, but, for what it's worth:

www.andrewcollins.com...

CONTACT! False Signal or the Real Thing?

Has an intelligent radio signal from deep space been picked up by a NASA scientist, and is it being suppressed?
The evidence is looking shaky so far.

Andrew Collins Reports

Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars.

A NASA scientist has detected a radio signal emanating from an area of sky with astronomical coordinates corresponding to the bright red star Aldebaran in Taurus. She has confirmed that the signal contains an intelligent message, which is now being deciphered. The Arecibo radio telscope in Puerto Rico, along with other RAOs (radio astronomical observatories) around the world, have now been focused on these coordinates in the hope of confirming the intelligent signal, and establishing exactly what this ET civilization, perhaps thousands of light years away, is trying to communicate with planet earth. Sound likes the plot to Carl Sagan's book "Contact", the 1997 film adaptation of which featured actress Jodie Foster as the astronomer who first receives the signal.

However, this is no fictional story. It is the "breaking news" that is rocketing around the internet as I write. Alternative Egypt writer Wayne Herschel, author of book The Hidden Records, has revealed on Facebook that an astrophysicist named Judy Fältskog, who operates out of a major RAO that reports back to NASA, detected the "intelligent " signal inbound from Aldebaran in Taurus, and perhaps eve from multiple coordinates including: Epsilon Eridany, Izar (Epsilon Bootes), Thuban (Alpha Draconis) and Proxima Centauri. All of these sources are apparently sending out intelligent signals that are seen as unnatural.

This is now Herschel handled the announcement on May 3:

Several RAO´s (Radio Observatories) like Aricebo and others now in the US have gone online, England is online, South Africa is online, Australia has been online since last night! Russia is going online now, Germany is still in a discussion to go online, China is online. Holy s..t! News travels fast. Gonna unplug this freaken fone, I cannot get any work done..." (posted about 6pm UK time - May 3, 2010)"


"I asked if there is any chance it is a natural or normal signal... she answered... "Heck this is as abnormal Naturally and Naturally Intelligent as it comes. Better than the "Wow" signal and then to top it all in the deep Ultraviolet Frequency. No wonder no one found anything before, they were looking in the wrong Frequency range. We opened up a bag of Bees! Let´s try not to get stung!"...

Judy from NASA just commented... saying...

"the data is backing up as it goes along".

" I was told that it has reached diplomatic levels. Guess who is the main negotiator? Pretty soon we have to go on stealth mode as FB is infested by blokes with "Need-to-Know" and "X" security clearances. That is if we want to get the Truth out to the Public, ... See Morewhich I feel is important. Got a lot of confused people walking up and down the corridors here at the observatory. Hope they keep politics out of Science!"

Although the discovery had not been officially announced, the NASA scientist has said that the signals are being analysed right now.


Herschel pointed out that Judy Fältskog has a Facebook page, but asked people not to bombard her with with questions, since she was obviously busy right now. A sensible request, for the next thing Judy's Facebook account is suddenly deleted, leading instantly to claims of suppression of truth and a NASA conspiracy to hide the facts.

Wham! Suddenly, this is the hottest story on the Internet (other than South Park being possibly responsible for the bomb in New York's Times Square due to their recent portrayal of Mohammed in a bear suit for their 200th episode).

Above Top Secret, Facebook and many other news forums began debating the story as it spread like wildfire.

So was the signal for real? What has happened to Judy Fältskog? Is there any independent confirmation of this story?

I watched all this unfold, and asked these questions to my own contacts in the world of astronomy and astrophysics. Their opinions were informative. Firstly, it can be confirmed that none of this has anything to do with SETI - the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, as they are privately funded and not affiliated to NASA. Secondly, it becomes clear that although Judy Fältskog is connected with NASA, she is also a UFO buff into alien abductions (nothing wrong with that, of course). She had asked the observatory whether it could target the coordinates associated with the signal, particularly those in the region of Aldebaran, at the suggestion of Herschel, since they feature in proposed star alignments concerning the geometry of the Giza monuments.

As to what's happened to her, I understand from a close informant that she is having a nervous breakdown, which is very sad, and it is probably for this reason that she has closed her Facebook account, not because she is being hastled by the NSA.

Richard Hoagland, the purveyor of all thing alien and Martian, has claimed publicly that the whole thing is a hoax, a claim stringently denied by Herschel.

My own contacts tell me that there is no buzz about this story among the RAOs they know, although obviously they cannot speak for all of them.

I subscribe to ATEL, the astronomer's telegram, the purpose of which is to inform RAOs around the world of tentative deep space dicoveries in different wave bands of the electromagnetic spectrum. The idea is for other observatories to try to monitor the object in question in the hope of learning more about what's going on, (bearing in mind that after a star sets in one country it rises in another, so can be monitored there). There has been nothing on ATEL about any rogue signals inbound from Aldebaran or any other deep space object.

None of this proves that the intelligence signal inbound from Aldebaran, or wherever, is false. I simply do not have enough information to say one way or another what is going on here. All I do know is that stories that are too good to be true, often are. So be careful what you believe, for the moment at least. Wait for that all important confirmation from a nice, independent source before shouting "contact" from the top of the nearest high building.

Originally posted by Bedlam

edit ps:

The CIA has a very small handful of field eggheads on the Special Activities team, so I guess that's a possibility, although I have no idea if any are cryptographers.

Nope. Field eggheads aren't cryptographers, they're mostly technicians and technology recognition and identification folks. Decryption of intercepts are handled outside the field, and relayed back in if the team needs to know what they said (for instance, if they identify the spot marked 'X' where digging commences, or which salt shaker is to be liberated). Most SAD personnel are NOT technicians in the normal sense, although highly trained at what they do. There's a reason SAD folks are called "knuckle-draggers", and it ain't for their firm grasp on quantum mechanics.