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Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

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posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by Bunken Drum
 
Gosh! That's quite a spectacle you've strew across my imagination, even BIAD is
hopping on the spot and giggling.
The idea of swapping tips in the tent is alluring, but I keep seeing the images of
Dawn French's silhouette on the tent's canvas from 'The Famous Five' spoofs and
hearing her say -as Timmy the faithful pooch can also been seen... "but we like it,
don't we Timmy?!"

It will be interesting to hear from the rest of the troop.
No no no! Acting Major BDsangermanagementova is more like a female Ade Edmondson. Some of those tips would be on how to headbutt someone without needing to re-apply mascara!
The rest of the troop have been out forraging... On their way back to this valley of death, they discovered your reference to "Piece Hand Love". Such HumInt must be passed up the chain of command & was. Now battalion are convinced that The Light Brigade is not actually under the ultimate command of Gen. Herschelsego, but rather Gen. Wayneker's. This is important info, b/c, whilst the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, just someone whose ass I'd prefer to kick later, the would-be-prime-minister of the ASRBD has authorised the release of the analysis: Wayneker is much more self absorbed than Herschelsego & thus can be more easily anticipated on the battlefield...
This company of scumbags will thus be ordered to look out for high value targets making a conspicuous spectacle of themselves, as per Wayneker's orders, & shoot them in the guts, so that their horribly protracted death demoralises their "cohoots".




posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 06:31 AM
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French fries with duck? Say it ain't so!
Oh but it is! In Singapore. You can select your fries from ordinary spuds, sweet potato (skins on or off), or yams (these are best imo). I've never actually eaten a duck, but, even tho its been over 1/4 century, I remember chicken, wild rabbit & some pretty disgusting other animal's flavours/textures. At this restaurant, its not so much the meowing I'm bothered about, b/c @least I know what that is, its the wierd monohoots, cohoots & superhoots I keep hearing from the kitchen.
Right now, I'm asking my fellow hoots if any of them can get us a table somewhere better, or if they fancy sticking around for a few drinks, avoiding the food, for the comedy value.



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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Eddie at Balaclava? Honestly, I did laugh out loud, & not a million miles from PMSL! Thank you. You'd have to want him on your side, eh?
Here's another poke with the muse-stick: "Perpetual" by VNV Nation. TBH, the vocalist is about as useful as Neil Young/a chocolate teapot, but, just as the latter could be spread all over BIAD & enjoyed in a manner it was not intended for, so can this bloke. The music is pretty basic Logic Audio/Pro Tools EBM, but it has some bits & bobs that beautifully complement the lyrics.
What I'd like to know is if "The Light Brigade" have ever viewed life bathed in an array of 48 3KW floods, with yellow-correction filters, or if, @the other end of the spectrum, they're content with a 40W incandescent behind a lampshade?
Personally, when I work on a stage that is being filmed, I wear shades, b/c that degree of light gives me a headache, but, if I need to fettle some gear that requires me to pay attention to the colours of various wires, I pop them up on the top of my head for a while & deal with whatever is in front of me no matter how painful it is. If I didn't, I'd get no more work.
I'll tell ya, lighting technicians are the bane of my life, but people need to see things, so, if I have to fix something so they can also hear them, I just have to suffer. Not that I haven't walked off a job b/c the lighting techs were making my life more difficult than I was prepared to put up with, so I'm not "innocent" in this regard, just that these instances have related to electrical hum, not light levels: if I'm going to have my name associated with a project, I require a certain level of cooperation to achieve minimum standards.
I really do wonder if the likes of Herschel/Judy/James/Rob have much, if any, self-respect.
ETA: god said "let there be light"? If there wasn't sound 1st, nothing could have heard him...
edit on 28/10/10 by Bunken Drum because: I couldn't resist the joke!



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
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BIAD - the "drawers on the outside" superhero thing can really only be pulled off with the
proper co-ordination of color.


This is true and is carved in stone somewhere.
Hang on, I think I've got that tablet stashed under my bed...
Ah yes, here we go: "Blue & Green: Never to be seen. Blue & Red: terrible in bed. Blue & Yellow: a disturbed fellow. Green & Purple just wont make a rhyme: so thats the most interesting way to spend your time."



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Well, where do we start?!

eletheia: may I assume you have a small table with a lamp with a slowly rotating
'Herschel' lampshade on and the table has one leg shorter than the others?
That's the only reason -I believe, to have his book.
The postage was free, now I know every cloud has a silver lining.

I too struggle with the way that Wayne 'catapults' his theories out across
his masses. He says it's an hypothasis and then demands by stamping his
feet at anyone who questions it, that it should be taken as fact!

Forbidden and secret, but not to those who know where to find it... and where to
write it down and sell it.

Nenothtu: Any other time, I would have read your worried text with a small smile
and yet, I know how... as you've said before, 'From Small Acorns...' these sort
of pressured congregations can escalate into crazy realms and the more demanding
the leader, the higher the followers will jump.

'Hiding in plain sight' comes to mind regarding your paragraph about CNN supposedly
displaying Mr. Herschel's wares... It's quite a boon to shout about!

Bunken Drum: You scare me!
This battalion of characters you have, has a book hidden inside it, but I think that
only those who enjoyed AND understood 'Twin Peaks' would buy it.

I actually owned a strap-on 'Neil Young' in my 'hippie days, but I don't want to
talk about it.



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
reply to post by nenothtu
 
... god said "let there be light"? If there wasn't sound 1st, nothing could have heard him...


In line with where Wayne Herschel will eventually end up with his tales, I will report on the
beginning of the World because BIAD was there.
As most of you are aware, it was dark as The Lord went about his business setting up this
planet, BIAD just stood quietly with a small flame from his cigarette lighter and watched the
wonders of rising mountains and lapping waters.

Then around 3.00am, God stopped for a sandwich and BIAD could hear him muttering to him/herself
about all the paperwork that had piled up whilst creating this magnificent orb.
Accountability is everything in Deity circles.

So has BIAD's flame spluttered and burned low, God decided to hide his records in a secret place.
BIAD's recalls squinting in the gloom to see where The Lord was stashing his stuff, but the incoming
darkness shrouded God's clandestine act.

It wasn't long after this, The Lord demanded illumination and that burning ball that we orbit everyday
-came into being and somewhere out there, the most fantastic secrets and records were sitting
and waiting to be found...

Who'd have thought it?

edit on 28-10-2010 by A boy in a dress because: Left pompous smile in Edit Room.



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Well BAID you are begining to know me well !!!!!! I do have such a table but rather than give Waynes book houseroom i have cut down the other three legs of the offending table. But, before taking that decession i read the first review of Wayne's book on the site dated 4th. July 2009. It was as you would expect a glowing reference to the book with copious mentions of his web site. (Had Waynes sticky finger prints all over it) and it typically ended


"Quote" Dan Brown seems to have chosen this artefact as well for his book The Lost Symbol since it is the only controversial Christ linked historical puzzle reconised as 'unsolved' in academic circles. A book well worth it's weight in gold. You will be lucky to get a copy before it is removed. Elite Society appear to be succeeding in having it removed.





There he goes again.........incidiously .trying to link himself to a FAMOUS AUTHOR insinuating that Dan Brown, used Waynes research talk of academic circles and so on...............



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
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Eddie at Balaclava? Honestly, I did laugh out loud, & not a million miles from PMSL! Thank you. You'd have to want him on your side, eh?


Well of course Eddie was there! I'm pretty sure that's where he was "born" - the trooper that dies at the end of the song... For the "pics or it never happened" crowd, I have photographic proof:





What I'd like to know is if "The Light Brigade" have ever viewed life bathed in an array of 48 3KW floods, with yellow-correction filters, or if, @the other end of the spectrum, they're content with a 40W incandescent behind a lampshade?


One thing is certain: they aren't content with a single candle behind a bushel. Myself, I do my best work at night, in total darkness. No, Judy, I'm not a vampire. Don't want to get your hopes up! I'm just one of those other sorts of average, every night, run of the mill, night creatures.

Being a sound tech, I'm sure your aware that the absence of light tends to heighten one's sensitivity to sounds. Being in the Army of Darkness conveys certain advantages that are drowned out in too much Light.

Furthermore, too much light can get confusing, apparently. For example, all those light warriors can't tell there's a forest there, because of all those blasted trees in the way, keeping them from seeing it!



I really do wonder if the likes of Herschel/Judy/James/Rob have much, if any, self-respect.


Self-"respect", I doubt muchly, but they cover that lack with a narcissistic self-love, I'd say. As I'm sure we've all found out at one time or another, love and respect don't always walk through the same fields, hand-in-hand. Sometimes they seem to be downright antagonistic towards one another.

So then, they can keep all of the "light, love, peace, and namaste", and I'll hang on to night so dark that I "see" with my ears, contentment, respect, and... what the hell is a "namaste" any how? I don't know what it is, and I certainly ain't gonna eat any of it!

Edit to add: I was just looking at that single cover from the early 80's (yes, boys and girls, they DID used to release vinyl singles!), and lo and behold there, in the background, just to the right of Eddie, what do I see? None other than BIAD's older brother! More proof of BIAD's post above, concerning the creation - that family really HAS been around a while!
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posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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I personally have never had a brush with any ancient aliens or been shown any evidence
of a structured organisation of galactic controllers.
Neither have I, but I have seen what appeared to correspond to what people call "ghosts" twice, so I'm open to the idea that there could be some kind of pan-dimensional Truman-transcending beings & I suppose they could be aliens. Still, I'll not be making such a claim without some damn irrefutable water fowl swimming around when I've sailed to the edge of my dome!



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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A new poster, but an old lurker following this thread for some 100 pages. I have found it curiously compulsive.
The James/Judy saga is fasinating, and will not DIE. Nothing can be compared to this unique character, that has kept this thread going for so long. So much so, I have found the perfect video to dedicate to James/Judy............................................................................................................................................
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soutered - mislead lie misrepresent falsify beliefs delude hoodwink



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Just a quick exchange of semaphore before the lads & lasses get back to rescouting their position:

Bunken Drum: You scare me!
This battalion of characters you have, has a book hidden inside it, but I think that
only those who enjoyed AND understood 'Twin Peaks' would buy it.

I actually owned a strap-on 'Neil Young' in my 'hippie days, but I don't want to
talk about it.
It seems this valley is enclosed by elevations that, whilst not exactly a pair of twin peaks, will do as defensible sniping positions. I think, if I were to "Herschel it up" (which phrase I'm henceforth going to attempt to popularise as the antithesis of "the real McCoy"), my audience would also have had to enjoy AND understand "Mulholland Drive"
But I scare you?
I'm not suprised you dont want to talk about your strap-on Neil Young: thats a truly disturbing image! I dont suppose it was, in the manner of poetic justice, damaged by a needle before being consigned to that other box in the wardrobe (you know, the one that's buried in shoes so it never gets opened in front of anyone else)?
I think Gen. Wayneker has been using his ordinary despatch-box in such a way, but has failed to even open it himself once in a while...



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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*Recently blisteringly quickly promoted to Maj. Gen. BDsid turns up &, having taken in the scene, says, "Ah, we're ok here for now. Sgt. Communication, get back up that tree & prepare to wave your flags!"*

somewhere out there, the most fantastic secrets and records were sitting
and waiting to be found...
BIAD was there as well? As I remember, it was pretty dark & cold. Its no wonder we didn't notice each other. From what I recall, in the beginning was the word, which was heard b/c the third thing which would define our plight, light, had not yet impacted, thus we were not yet distracted.
Wayne & his minions (or should that be mignons?) can shine on like crazy diamonds all they like: without logic they may as well shout down the muzzles of Col. Nenothski's cannons. We will then discover if their sound pressure can be heard above the bang that coincidentally also takes their heads off.
Also from memory, thus subject to grave inaccuracy, I had the impression that The Good Lady/Lord was primarily an artist. I suspect therefore that, even if Wayne or anyone else did find the paperwork, it'd be pretty haphazard, full of jotted notes that make no sense, perhaps even to the artist themselves at a later date, & that, if we could get a phorensic accountant to go over it all, it'd be discovered that the books had been cooked.
ETA: I also suspect that those who believe/d the millenia long chinese whispered accounts of this momentous time have had/are having something which rhymes done to them, as a result of certain books.
edit on 28/10/10 by Bunken Drum because: I left a few frames on the cutting room floor.



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
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At a time, when our 'Godless'... (I call it that, but one can call it 'Nothing -to-Fear-Time)... world
and the young and lost look for which way to go, I feel it's deplorable that snake-oil salesmen
like Wayne and many others jump on the podium and proclaim "follow me, I know the way!"

The worship of the Golden Calf and the quest to have an acceptable exterior because the
box in the corner of the room demands it, makes me ashamed to be here in this time.

We need fear and hope, these respective emotions are supposed to be used in their
pure 'good' forms and yet some use them like casino chips.
I'm not even going to try to be amusing. I just agree completely. People like Wayne Herschel making up utter bollocks are as much of a menace as people repeating age old utter bollocks for no better reason than that doing so promotes a status quo they find advantageous.



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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Come to think of it, I once got a gold star on a homework assignment in grade school... G-class stars are generally considered "yellow" stars... gold stars are "yellow"... his new/old god "Ra" comes from a yellow, G-class star... so by the logic he uses in his "star maps", I AM RA!
Please tell us you dont have 1 of those slightly phallic beards?
When I was @school, we didn't get stars, we got permission to pay no attention to whatever recapitulation the rest of the class was being subjected to &, instead, pull a book from the shelves lining the classrooms. In highschool, this was translated into being "excused" (ie kicked out of class before boredom made you a nuisance), but the only options were the library or sports facilities.
When my kids were @school, the culture of meaningless rewards had taken over (which, imo, contributes to celeb culture whereby adulation is its own reward & leads to people trying to "Herschel it up"). There weren't so many random books available to my kids @school, but I nonetheless insisted that they be allowed to read whatever we parents packed in with their lunches, PE kit etc, whenever they were bored.
I cant truthfully say I'm entirely happy with how they've so far turned out, but they're not dickheads, nor does much dickheadery get past their DHDs (dick head detector).
I dunno about you lot, but I find reading books off a screen more eye-straining than off pages. My g/f isn't much older than my kids & I've noticed that she will only read physical books if her studies require it, or I insist, & that when she wants some info that can be had online, she looks for a summary, not the source material.
I'm not saying t'internet is bad, in fact I think that if any tool we have can save us from ourselves, the net is it, but what has happened to education (e duco - to lead from or out of)? Why are people no longer being taught how to think, not just what?



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by moaningmartelThis is going Viral!
www.youtube.com...

:l ol:
*Acting Major BDsangermanagementova offers a pair of field glasses to BIAD, saying, "Over there by the trees. All dressed in yellow, with the daft plumes on their hats." She gestures off to her side & says, "Sgt. Utterbastard's platoon have got them in their sights, but we've only got a limited amount of ball & powder. I cant tell if they're monohoots, cohoots, superhoots, or the kind of hootenanny that's worth sh...". She places her hand over her mouth to delicately cough before finishing with, "Hooting them. What do you think?"*



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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*"Sgt. Communication, get back up your tree!"*
You're such a funny bastard! I swear, I know people that, were you & we all to get together, we'd either get arrested or be the nucleus of a legendary party (probably both).
Consider this & our previous conversations & then imagine me putting my hands together, nodding to you & saying "Namaste." This is a concept that most "Light Warriors" seem to have overlooked: opposition is not hate; hate is not the opposite of love; the willingness to kick someone's arse need not spring from either.
I love the night so much that, irl, I dont actually have a sleeping pattern as most would describe it. Instead, I nap when I can & crash hard, during the day, every 4-6 days. This lets me wake up fit for anything, but having avoided much of the light, noise & stench of conventional society.
"Ah, the creatures of the night. What sweet music they make!"
 
@any Light Brigade/Herschelians reading this:
Understand that light is part of a wider spectrum, most of which you cannot detect with your bodily organs. You cannot even detect the fine subtleties within that which you can experience, unaided. Some of it will kill you. If you want to 'see' further, all you have then are tools & intellect. Google Earth is a toy, not a tool. Logic is the best mental tool we have yet arrived at.
There's nothing wrong with intuition, emotional intelligence or imagination, but, if we cannot support any conclusion we come to resulting from these useful traits logically, we must admit they are simply suppositions, or become intellectually dishonest in trying to assert them as facts.
 
Yeah, Eddie & BIAD were most likely @Balaclava. I reckon Eddie thought he raped BIAD, but really BIAD was topping from the bottom...



posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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No, no Pharaonic beard. When I had one a while back, it looked precisely like the one in my avatar, except grayer. Sadly, I had to shave it off upon my recent re-entry into the ranks of the bald-headed and serious-minded. Life has it's trade-offs, I suppose. In exchange for the whiskers, I've received in return a better tan, and that squinty-eyed Eastwood look, which I can muster up into a thousand year stare sometimes.

As you remark, a bit of education geared towards educating the self - teaching people how to think rather than recite - would go a long way in dispelling the propagation of the mythologies and out right HOAXES that Wayne Herschel and Judy Faltskog are promoting. Sadly, that seems to no longer be the case with modern educational systems. When my dad was in school, they taught just the basic "3-R's", but they taught them well and thoroughly, with an eye towards allowing the individual to use them creatively, by employing independent thought.

Even when I was in school, several of the teachers stressed to us that they weren't there to teach us how to be parrots - they were there to teach us to THINK, because if they did so then, they could continue to teach us throughout our lives, long after they were gone.

Now, it seems, schools have become little more than glorified day-cares, assembly lines where the philosophy is that if you open a kid's head up, and pack in as many factiods as will fit, they will then be properly equipped for life. That just isn't so. The factiods alone are useless without the ability to connect them in a meaningful manner, and if that ability is instilled, then the cramming of factoids is unnecessary - the individual will find and employ them as needed. He can travel lighter, and live off of the intellectual land.

What we have in Wayne's books are a plethora of "factoids" which are incorrect to begin with, and sadly a huge number of people today are not equipped to discover that on their own, by employing logic and independent thought. Instead, they have been conditioned to just accept whatever they are presented with as "true", and even have to accept the prefabricated, but terribly erroneous, "connections" that Wayne supplies along with the "factoids".

My how the minions scream and squirm when you begin to employ different, logical, connections, and actually throw out some of the "factoids" out right for being non-factual, and call others into question and demand proof before proceeding! It seems that they view independent thought and use of logic as aberrations in the modern world. That simply isn't what they've been conditioned to, and it seems so.... ahem.... alien to them.

Even they, however, can be re-conditioned - "deprogrammed", if you will - by proper use of logic and reasoning to deconstruct their world view and build it back again, but including the necessity for independent thought the second time 'round.

The key, I think, is to target the "leaders", so that the minions see how they squirm and rage when pressed for evidence that they can't provide, until their heads implode due to the pressure without, and the vacuum within getting all out of equilibrium.

To recap: target the leaders, demand they provide proof (settle for NOTHING less), and deconstruct the faulty connections between factoids and non-factoids that they provide the minions - or mignons, if you prefer, since the leadership DOES seem to feed off of them. Make sure this in public enough view so that the minions can watch it happen in real-time.

That last is the real stickler, and was one of the prime causes for the Wayneist cyber-assault on dcmb1490's blog. His "theories" and his operating principles were being deconstructed and put on display for all the world to view, and he just couldn't HAVE that! The emperor's new clothes were on display for all to see!

Initially, Wayne panicked and tried to get his minions to spam the blog directly, but when we stated that was a GOOD thing, that he should bring them ALL over there to read and they could be educated, I reckon it must have caused some rather difficult questions to start being asked. In any event, Wayne did an abrupt "about face", and started warning the minions to stay away from the blog at all costs. He even went so far as to sweeten the pot by telling them the lie that it had been "hacked", and that it was "dangerous" to go there - which was all entirely untrue.

Anything to keep them away from truth and education!

Special note to "Light Warriors" - yes, what I've just said is absolutely true. I backed up ALL of those comments before Wayne could delete them, and have the actual web-pages, rather than just quotes. It will all be in The Book.

Read it if you dare. Who knows? Maybe YOU will be the one to find a flaw to unravel my whole premise with! I think it's worth it for you to give it a try! Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

I find it disturbingly ironic that Wayne will go to any lengths to keep his "Light Warriors"... in The Dark.



posted on Oct, 29 2010 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
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*"Sgt. Communication, get back up your tree!"*


So then, I'm not the only one to notice Comms "out of his tree"!



You're such a funny bastard! I swear, I know people that, were you & we all to get together, we'd either get arrested or be the nucleus of a legendary party (probably both).


Believe it or not, I carry around my own handcuffs for just such occasions. No need to inconvenience the constabulary. You know how testy they can get. Matter of fact, I keep 4 pairs, in case any of the other celebrants have forgotten or misplaced theirs. You know the old Boy Scout motto - "Be Prepared".



Consider this & our previous conversations & then imagine me putting my hands together, nodding to you & saying "Namaste." This is a concept that most "Light Warriors" seem to have overlooked: opposition is not hate; hate is not the opposite of love; the willingness to kick someone's arse need not spring from either.


नमस्ते . Opposition is what keeps our intellects honed to a razor's edge, keeps us on out toes. For the life of me, I can't see that as a BAD thing. To my mind - and this is just one man's opinion - the opposite of "love" is not "hate", but rather "indifference". I do what I do vis-a-vis Wayne Herschel and Judy Faltskog not out of any sort of hate, and certainly not out of indifference, but out of love for those souls who are allowing themselves to be led to the waterfront by the pied piper. If they still want to parade off of the edge of the docks, that's fine, but it should be an informed decision on their parts. I just want them to know, to think, to understand. What they do with that from there is entirely up to them.

In regards to "namaste", or नमस्ते, depending on how you want to pronounce it, it's my understanding that it's a greeting that means "those things as they are found within myself greet those things as they are found within you", not any sort of generalized, over the top, all-encompassing, world-changing "peace, love, light, and wisdom". It's on an individual level, and not even the entire individual at that - just those parts that resonate between two souls.

It seems to me that allows for the baser parts of human character as well.



I love the night so much that, irl, I dont actually have a sleeping pattern as most would describe it. Instead, I nap when I can & crash hard, during the day, every 4-6 days. This lets me wake up fit for anything, but having avoided much of the light, noise & stench of conventional society.


Momma says that will turn you old young! I've been a night creature ever since I was a young night creature, I've travelled all over the Appalachian forests at night without a flashlight - because I didn't want to ruin my night vision. That practice early on stood me in good stead in later years, as did the habit of getting by on "cat naps" of not more than 2 hours a day, taken at random.

I truly believe that abnormal habit of mine took the Light Brigade by surprise during their first attack on dcmb1490's blog. The attack started between 04:30 and 05:00 my time, and I believe that they thought they could get it done and it would be a done deal before any of us awoke to man the walls. I was as busy as a one-armed paper-hanger for a while, but before I knew it, General Herschel was calling for a full retreat, and warning his minions to "stay away, it's dangerous over there!".

Retreat, hell! It LOOKED more like a panicked route.



@any Light Brigade/Herschelians reading this:
Understand that light is part of a wider spectrum, most of which you cannot detect with your bodily organs. You cannot even detect the fine subtleties within that which you can experience, unaided. Some of it will kill you.


Ah, yes. Failure to understand the spectrum spread is what opened this can of worms to begin with. UV certainly WILL kill you, in more ways than one! I note that UV is a pretty good antiseptic, and without the ozone layer blocking most of it, life on Earth would be impossible. The UV would destroy it.



If you want to 'see' further, all you have then are tools & intellect. Google Earth is a toy, not a tool. Logic is the best mental tool we have yet arrived at.
There's nothing wrong with intuition, emotional intelligence or imagination, but, if we cannot support any conclusion we come to resulting from these useful traits logically, we must admit they are simply suppositions, or become intellectually dishonest in trying to assert them as facts.


I absolutely could not have said that any better. Operating on "feelings" is one thing, but if those "feelings" aren't confirmed by logical reasoning, they provide a poor platform that can and will jump out from under one in an instant.



posted on Oct, 29 2010 @ 02:06 AM
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But then i suppose we shouldnt mock the mentally challenged !!
Why not? If we didn't, the equally mentally challenged might not recognise utter bollocks for what it is & believe it. We only have to look @the history of religion to see where that leads...



posted on Oct, 29 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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Here's today's astronomy lesson, in hope that some Light Warrior will see it and accidentally start thinking. I know, it's hard, and it hurts some times, but try any how.

The star we're going to examine is Wayne's "god star", the home of his version of "Ra", HD 283271. I did a google search, and "someone" is promoting this star all across the internet. Here is but one example, and shows faulty reasoning and logic skills. I pulled this post from The Zeitgeigst Movement and am going to break it into parts, so I can take breaks in it to comment. It was originally posted there by "mastervitro ", who was promoting Wayne's theories pretty hard.



The Sun's absolute magnitude is 4.83
So a sun like G class star has to have a very similar magnatude?
So i check it out


Actually, G-class stars can have a wide range of magnitudes, depending on their luminosity class, which is expressed as a letter appended to the "G", after the subclass number. For example, the sun is a G2V star. "G" is the spectral class, "2" is the sub class (ranges from 0 to 9, 0 hottest and brightest, 9 coolest and dimmest, within that range), and the "V" is the luminosity class, in this case "main sequence". Luminosity classes run from d (white dwarf, smallest and dimmest) to Ia and Ib, Super Giants, largest and most luminous.

So then, a wide range of magnitudes is possible, even within the same spectral class.



HD 283271
Apparent Magnatude: 10.672
Absolute Magnatude:
Distance: 15.7 light years


The Henry Draper catalog number (any given star can have several designations, depending on the catalog you are using), the apparent magnitude ( how bright it actually appears, versus it's intrinsic brightness, which is the "absolute magnitude"), and a presumed distance, apparently from one source.

Now here is something that is VERY important: magnitudes are logarithmic, and run backwards. In other words, the BIGGER the magnitude, the DIMMER the star. The sun, as I recall, has an APPARENT magnitude of -28, but an absolute magnitude of +4.85. That's how bright it would appear at a standardized distance of 10 parsecs (about 32.616 light years) away. Each magnitude level, as i recall (and I'm doing this from memory, so it could be wrong in some particulars) is 2.512 times dimmer or brighter than the next adjacent one, up or down.

An apparent magnitude of 10.672 is invisible to the naked eye. The limit is around magnitude 6-7, depending on how dark the sky and how good your eyes are. Any number bigger than that can't be seen with the naked eye. Strangely, in space we can see stars down to around 9.0 - where there is no air to scatter the light. 10.672 would be invisible even there.



Ok so to solve for the Absolute magnatude we use this equation:

Mv = -mv -5 +5log10(d)

mv = apparent magnatude
Mv = absolute magnatude
d = distance in parsecs
1 parsec = 3.26163626 light years


He's done his homework here. That is the right equation, with the right quantities represented by the symbols. The UNITS here are important, because if you change the unit one place, you have to change all the rest of the units to get the right answer. "d" as distance in parsec is the correct unit, since absolute magnitude is computed for a standardized distance of 10 parsecs. I always used the conversion factor of 3.261633 to convert parsecs to light years, but can concede the point, as his figures may be more up to date.



3.26163626(15.7) = 51.207689282


See, here is a problem. to convert from light years to parsecs, you DIVIDE, not multiply, since parsecs are bigger units. 15.7 light years is 4.8 parsecs (using my conversion factor), NOT over 51 parsecs! can you see how the difference between plugging in 4.8 and 51.2 to the equation might have a slight affect on the final answer? If not, just try dropping 5 dinars on the cashier next time you ring up a 50 dinar bill. I'm sure they can explain the errors of that to you..



Mv = -(10.672)-5+5log10(51.207689282)
Mv = 4.00744851029222


See, here he does the right math, but with the WRONG inputs. This will, of course, have a negative impact on the accuracy of his answer. To double check, let's apply a bit of common sense. 1) 32.616 light years (10 parsecs) is farther away than 15.7 light years (4.8 parsecs), roughly TWICE as far away. 2) things get dimmer the farther away they get (the specific equation is called the "inverse square law", and is written 1/d^2, where "d" is the distance - a distance twice the original dims the light as the inverse of 2 squared, or 1/4. it should be 1/4 as bright, not brighter. A 3x distance dims light to 1/9 the original, 4x to 1/16, etc.). 3) since magnitudes run backwards, and larger numbers are counter-intuitively dimmer than smaller maginitudes, mag 4 is SIGNIFICANTLY brighter than mag 10.6. Like several times brighter. This should not be if viewed from 2x further away. Obviously, there is a flaw in the math somewhere, which I've already pointed out.



I heard somewere that HD 283271 was around 80% the mass of the sun so this sounds about right.


Actually, less mass will make the star cooler and dimmer than the sun, not brighter. On the plus side, less mass means that it burns cooler, uses fuel slower, and so will live longer. 80% solar mass puts it into an entirely different spectral class, probably about K0V or K1V - not "G" at all.



Summary
Sun = 4.82
HD283271 = 4.01


My summary: maths error. F. Take it home, and do it over again until you get it right.

To think of it! I once saw Wayne, in a bid to demonstrate his far superior intellect and much greater knowledge of Astronomy, tell a fellow to "do the math".

I think Wayne should just count his blessings that I'm not the one grading his math papers. Can I get a professor to double check me on this?




edit on 2010/10/29 by nenothtu because: I suck at spellng.




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