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Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

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posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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That appears to be "truncated information", as you so kindly put it. Where I come from, they have a somewhat different designation for it. Out here in the sticks, the coarser folk call it a " lie ", and the purveyors thereof are known as " liars ".

Of course, Wayne Herschel has been no help at all in the resolution of this mini hoax. Absolutely NO confirmation of said demise has been uncovered, on any continent, despite diligent searches and repeated entreaties to provide such confirmation from those who have sallied forth to make sure that I "got mine" for the role I have been alleged to have played in the production of that unfortunate claim. One young stalwart even went so far as to feebly attempt to employ the Black Arts to "bring me to justice" over these spurious charges!

Class, does anyone know the theory of what happens when one attempts to fling a curse unjustifiably?

Any how, if it were true, this would be at least the second time that James/Judy has met his/her demise at his/her own hand.

Some time ago, Mrs. Van Greunen came forward and told us of the unhappy events which culminated in "Col. James Van Greunen" shooting himself in a patch of Bavarian woods in 1993 (fairly important year, that), in apparent abject despondency over his ill-use by various shadowy agencies. She posted the sad news right here at ATS, under the pseudonym of "DanaScully", in a thread dealing with the Kalahari Hoax, of which Mr. Van Greunen was such an integral part.

I present to you absolute, undeniable, incontrovertible proof that James Van Greunen met his maker in 1993, under just such circumstances as I have described:

post by DanaScully

post by DanaScully

There you have it. It was very kind of Mrs. Van Greunen to step forward all these years (and conveniently, just before this new hoax appeared - as if tying up loose ends prior to a new enterprise... ) and set the record straight. I must presume, from investigating her posting history as "DanaScully", that she came forth solely to give us this sad news. She has posted exactly 3 times at ATS to date, of which these are the first two (made on the same date on which she registered), with one more post the following day in an unrelated thread, and then faded back into the mists. Where have we seen that sort of behavior before?

Incidentally, that third post was somewhat cryptic, being along the lines of "at the appointed time the sleeper shall awaken.." or some such drivel.

My question is: how many times can a single human meet their end? James over his ill-use by Shadow Governments, Judy over a botched attempt to communicate with aliens via UV light beamed between radio telescopes, using "technology we don't possess on this planet"... Wait one! If we don't have this technology on this planet, how in the devil did we receive the signal to begin with? Did she make a mistake? Was the actual reception accomplished on an alien transistor radio that daddy Karne gave her from the Galactic Walmart on her 12th birthday or something?

Speaking of daddy Karne, with this new "double-death of the same individual" angle, I have to wonder if James/Judy's parentage actually was the alien Karne... or may he/she have a bit of cat mixed in there as well?
edit on 2010/10/13 by nenothtu because: extra random thoughts make the world go 'round.




posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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Thank you Nenothtu, It does seem a little odd that 'Dana' came forward to
annonce James tragic death at that time. However, a look at Bavarian
death records (if possible) would prove that a James Van Greunen lay at
rest on some cemetery grounds there.

If this is what some of us believe, and James 'morphed' into Judy... and from
the images I've seen , it could well be... then anything before during and after
The Kalahari incident can not be taken as at face value.

I know it may seem that I'm dragging my feet over all this, but I want to be
sure that Judy has or hasn't died... I like to show some mature respect even
when Mr. Herschel or Judy haven't.

I'm still surprised Wayne hasn't commented on her possible death.
edit on 13-10-2010 by A boy in a dress because: Left my make-up bag in Edit Room.



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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... she have a bit of cat mixed in there as well?
If I had eyebrows (and eyes of course!) I would raise them because you tapped on
one of my little alarm bells.

dcmb1490 said a while back:
I found something a little unusual and then again it may be nothing. Ran across
that old blue screen scrolling video announcing the Judy and Wayne alien signal discovery.
This was on an Italian and an Indian site that apparently had the same source.
What was unusual was the tag under the video showing the keywords.

As we all know, keywords are normally random popular words tied to the subject matter
and used to send traffic to your site from searches. The better the keywords the better
chance of taking traffic from your competitor or driving more traffic to your site.

Ex. tag - cat keywords - feline, calico, kitten, etc.


There was also someone who came here called 'shadowcat' or something... I'm struggling
to locate the name on this thread. But the 'cat' idea had me thinking.
Sunderland Football Club in the N-England are known as the 'Black Cats'


A faint link to the weird time with LadySambuca and her entourage.



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress

I'm still surprised Wayne hasn't commented on her possible death.



Well, if this "event" were an actual event, Wayne Herschel's complicity in his promotion of this hoax, which hoax has been alleged to have led directly to this alleged unfortunate circumstance, would likely have a chilling effect on his responses. In other words, he'd not want to comment on it, since there would be blood on his own hands in the matter.

If it's NOT an actual event, and Wayne Herschel actually knows that Judy Faltskog is alive and well, as was his last report of her, I believe, then of course he wouldn't want to comment and stir the pot again, because that would be detrimental to the inception of their NEXT hoax.

Either way, cockroaches scurry away when the light switch is clicked on.

I really don't think we can expect more out of Wayne Herschel than attempts at destruction via his "Charge of the Light Brigade" light warrior forays.

Well, and of course it goes without saying we can expect more hoaxes from him, if he can get the dust to settle a bit. Given that history of hoaxing, could we really take anything he had to say as genuine, in any respect?

I'll throw out a crumb here for the dedicated army of Black Special Ops Google Search Cointel agents that frequent this site, concerning the next incarnation of James/Judy being set up for the next "suicide scenario" when the next hoax goes horribly awry: look for a "Patricia Long" in Jamaica.

That would be the next incarnation of our good "doctor", unless of course I've ruined those plans by spilling the beans here. Oops.

As Wayne Herschel is so fond of saying when promoting a hoax: "it's in the book". I learned a lot about book marketing from good 'ol Waye!



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Mrs Van Gruenen (Dana Scully) says her husband Col.James Van Gruenen shot himself in 1993. That is a mere 5 years since he left his family in England. In all the time he was with his English family he had NEVER DONE A DAYS WORK and was certainly NEVER in any armed forces.

I was always under the impression that it took many years of service and a degree of maturity before a man reached the stage of becoming an officer. James it would appear achieved it at the age of 28yrs. and only a possible 5yrs in service.!!!! Another thing, i am not familiar with ranking but isnt a Col. a somewhat high rank to acheive in such a short period of time ??



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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I agree, Colonel is a high-ish rank to make for a 28 year-old... but I suppose possible'
Neno knows more about that area than me, I just went to the Army parties and strutted
around with Major Melons... (I couldn't resist that one!)

I would find it disappointing if this turns out that James/Judy faked a death to
dupe Mrs. Van Greunen and is now trying the trick again.

edit on 13-10-2010 by A boy in a dress because: Left lipstick in Edit Room,



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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Hi all.

I find it quite disturbing that someone would claim suicide for attention. However I have a suspicion that there was a bit more intent to that claim and feel that it might be best to let sleeping dogs lie (so to speak).

BIAD - the feline reference has bothered me too. Can't quite put my finger on it though. And the Bavarian Forest that keeps popping up. dcmb1490 (where are you?) has has his suspicions on this as well.

Thank you for the compliment Rich. And condolences on your losses. That is terrible. Hoping things get better for you.



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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I see... Patricia seems to look remarkably like our Dr. Judy!!
Our little 'spacepumpkin' seems to be alive and well... I am truly relieved.



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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Yes the references may shed some light on all this if we could discover the key... or
what it coonects too.
Dcmb1490 may well hold the answer.

(Off topic)
Your avatar is certainly transforming... I like it!



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by eletheia
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Mrs Van Gruenen (Dana Scully) says her husband Col.James Van Gruenen shot himself in 1993. That is a mere 5 years since he left his family in England. In all the time he was with his English family he had NEVER DONE A DAYS WORK and was certainly NEVER in any armed forces.

I was always under the impression that it took many years of service and a degree of maturity before a man reached the stage of becoming an officer. James it would appear achieved it at the age of 28yrs. and only a possible 5yrs in service.!!!! Another thing, i am not familiar with ranking but isnt a Col. a somewhat high rank to acheive in such a short period of time ??


Here's an example, also from an Air Force, but this one the USAF. I'm acquainted with a promising young man who is staring at an appointment at the US Air Force Academy. He will enter at age 18, and study there for the next four years. He will graduate at age 22, with a bachelor's degree and a commissioned rank in the Air Force as a "2nd Lieutenant". From there, he will have to progress through 1st Lieutenant, Captain, Major, and Lieutenant Colonel to get to the rank of Colonel.That is a progression through 6 steps of officerhood (O1 through O6), and as promising as he is, I don't see that happening in 6 years.

I'm not sure how rank runs in the SADF, or whatever it is now (it was SADF when I was thrashing around the world, so that's what I still use, being behind the times and all that), or the SAAF in particular, but I'd have to guess that Their armed forces were REALLY hurting for officers AND young James would have had to have had his head screwed on really tight in order to make that great of a leap in that short of a time. Now, I know South Africa had that trouble with SWAPO, and Namibia, and all of that, but I seriously doubt it depleted their officer corps to that extent. I believe in Namibia in particular, it was 3/2 Bn doing most of the heavy lifting, and can't see that the SAAF or Intelligence took all that great of a hit. I really stopped following the news after South Africa, already an independent country, "gained independence". It's possible that the officer corps suffered in that, and had a bunch of officers leave, but even then, it comes back to the promise shown by young James.

A man that has shown a demonstrable proclivity for falsifying documents wouldn't be classed as "promising" in a military sense, one would think. Compounding that is the report that he was already "on the run" from the South African Intel apparatus, and had been in exile in Germany for some time, according to the testimony of his "wife". Those troubles, factored in, would necessarily shorten the time he had available in which to have attained that rank.

Unless South Africa is in the habit of giving promotions to fugitives?



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Netties Hermit
dcmb1490 (where are you?)


Don't fret over dcmb1490. I believe he's just gone to "stealth mode", and is currently on the run from NWO Black Ops Special Agents in the employ of Wayne. He had some "top secret" special information bearing on this case, I hear, and I also hear that he spread that joy around the world, here and there, to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands and "disappearing".

Actually, that information was the reason Wayne was so hard after getting dcmb1490's blog shut down. I hear in the wind that it got "out there" any ways...

Score one for the Maquis!

Edit to add: I just wanted to add a line from my favorite movie, Serenity, here, as I think it applies: "They can't stop the signal, Mal...."



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posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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Mrs Van Greunen (nee Marion Wiegand) was not duped by James Van Greunen she was fully aware of his sex change. If you go back to Rich Englands post on page 74 where he is relating information from Micheal Hesseman you will see that the court case which she was included in referred to both James and his then new identitity of Helenna de (something or the other) Micheal Hesseman won the case and it is inferred that Marion was already divorced.

In the light of the above it is my opinion that Dana Scully is really Judy.



posted on Oct, 13 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Exactly. When she found out that he was a liar and a cheat, she kicked him to the curb - and I believe that was when trouble first started, before the court cases began. She reached that realization, as I recall, when he got in hot water for trying to sell his hoaxed "South African Top Secret" papers to the Bundeswehr, and was busted for trying to sell falsified documents - which makes me all the more incredulous at DanaScully's claim that Germany granted them "refuge" from all these Secret Squirrel Intelligence Agents who were hot on the trail.

You mentioned the ages of the children above - the one said to be 20 years old would be Marion's son, born in 1990. I'm trying to find anything on the other. That one matches the age of the younger child in his English family, but I have to wonder why that would be included by Dana, while leaving out the elder.

That leaves open the possibility of a 4th child, but that would necessitate James to have been a cheat (since the ages are near identical), and we all know THAT couldn't be!.

You know, if Satanics, inc. wanted this investigation to go away, you'd think they would be concentrating more on Wayne stirring the mess back up at random, and less on the folks just doing the investigating! This particular line of reasoning, for example, would never have been pursued if good ol' Wayne had just had the common sense to let the dust settle.

For the record, I believe DanaScully was really Judy as well. I believe that the reason for those posts were to lay James to rest, and allow Judy to come to the fore in preparation for this next hoax. The rationale is that if James is "dead", verified by no less than his "wife", people wouldn't be willing to dig into his past... and connect the dots. She figured that would be viewed as going down a trail to nowhere, and people would just no longer pursue it.

DanaScully says, right within the post, that she is posting from Germany ("near our home here in Bavaria"), and we know that Marion Wiegand and Judy Faltskog are both in Germany. Of the two, based on events that transpired, Judy is FAR more likely to be found defending James than Marion is.



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posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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Thank you eletheia and I stand corrected.
Do you have any more information regarding James?



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 04:16 AM
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I took the ages of the children from the German family straight from Dana Scully's post she said they were 20yrs and 22yrs. respectivly. That dos'nt always equate to dates, as someone born in January and another born in December of the same year have the same year of birth date but are virtually a year older.



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by eletheia
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Mrs Van Gruenen (Dana Scully) says her husband Col.James Van Gruenen shot himself in 1993. That is a mere 5 years since he left his family in England. In all the time he was with his English family he had NEVER DONE A DAYS WORK and was certainly NEVER in any armed forces.

I was always under the impression that it took many years of service and a degree of maturity before a man reached the stage of becoming an officer. James it would appear achieved it at the age of 28yrs. and only a possible 5yrs in service.!!!! Another thing, i am not familiar with ranking but isnt a Col. a somewhat high rank to acheive in such a short period of time ??


Upon re-reading this, I added "1988" into the time line in the book as the year James left his English family, where he had two children, which puts him at having been with them for about 5 years or so. He met up with Marion in 1989, and had a son by her in 1990, then had his sex change operation in 1991 or 1992.

This is beginning to narrow down possible birth dates for this mysterious 4th child. "DanaScully" claimed a 22 year old child, near the age of his oldest English child, but surely "she", a German, wouldn't claim that child as her own, along with his son, and leave out the OTHER English child. The "20 year old" that "she" mentioned would have been born in 1990, making that one most likely his son by Marion.

I'm thinking that limbo period in late '88 or early '89 is the place to concentrate.
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posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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The only down side to all this is I actually miss AnneH, LadySambuca, evinah, Drunkenparrot,
DoubtfullDina, Sunflare, Oldfartswife and BigBlackCat!!!

Though it was annoying and confusing, I felt that James/Judy was really trying to communicate
and explain his/her attempts at fame. It looked like either he/she was showing his/her many
personalities or some of Wayne's minions had stepped in to shore up the breaking dam!

LadySambuca once wrote:
War sehr gut mit dir aller zu plaudern, aber jetzt geh ich schlafen!
Also gute nacht, over and out and Chuss!


That word 'Chuss' bothered me and whilst drying my nylons, I looked it up.
Chuss: A common term used in Pakistan, specially Punjab area to denote extremely lame jokes.
It is also used to refer to a person who is trying to be over efficient but ends up being very lame.


To me, this is like a faint scent under a pile of deadwood... I don't know what's under there,
but a lingering whiff of a trail seems to want out!
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posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 05:55 AM
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Time lines and dates are very difficult to establish unless one has kept a diary.James could have had the procedure done soon after conception of his last child? There seems to have been an anomaly over whether James had had one or two 'other' children? It is not unknown for a man to be 'carrying on with two women at a time which may have been the reason Marion called him a" liar and cheat" useing the word cheat rather than a "hoaxer." Has it been established that there was a "legal" marriage with Marion? or was it just a case of living together as is the norm for many couples today.

1993 seems to have been James's /Judys "big year" the year of James's alleged suicide, Judys inception, the year she graduated from university (UCI Berkley)...................................and if you go back over the threads many other events



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 06:01 AM
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You may say that is the year he/she 'blossomed' and became the Dr. Judy we have
come to enjoy and admire.
I wish I knew a way of getting my hands on the Bavarian cemetery records... that
would show a thing or two!



posted on Oct, 14 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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Or the vampire she says she is as according to old Bavarian folklore there are six ways to become a "Blutsauger"(Vampire) and one of them is by having died by suicide.




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