Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

I first read the title of this thread and was intrigued very much by the sound of it. Also, it was a letdown to find out that we had been lied to.
It was hard not to take personally the CIA and MI6 among other agencies supposedly called on me. It's also hard not to take personally being called an agent of one of those agencies. Accused by the same people I might add...
Exposing one lie often leads to the uncovering of others, and so is the case here. Never was it a mission of anyone involved to cause harm to anyone involved here. Admittedly, being identified as a player in a worldwide intelligent life hoax would hurt the hoaxer's feelings when the truth is exposed, sure. It also hurts the feelings of those who were taken advantage of or conned. Seldom do those people have a voice or recourse after being duped.

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND

 

hi mate, judy and wayne are definitely not the same person BUT. a lot of us feel they are probably friends from their youth in south africa, AND i personally think they may even be related, they have quite a good resemblance of each other when you study all their pictures.

Meh, I figured that out ages ago.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hmmm, I looked up Herschels Facebook (he has an open account that allows you to see his wall) and he is, I think, talking about you guys and saying that disinfo people are out to get him and so on.

It still seems crazy that he would risk ruining his 'work' by being involved in this but I guess that greed manifests in various ways and not just in financial form; this was obviously a greed for promotion and sensationalism.

Like some of you have mentioned, being on a forum like this shows an interest in UFO's, and Fortean type subjects and that is something I still have although I think I've learned a lesson from this entire incident about my own gullability :-(
That said, I still believe the Fatima case is a fabulous instance of 'something' beyond everyday occurance and am still open minded about the possibility of some kind of non-ordinary intelligence being here in the ancient past. That may change though!

[edit on 4-8-2010 by irishdave]

reply to post by irishdave


Yes, there is always some sort of espionage going on, irishdave.

If there isn't "agents" blocking him from commenting on cnn-ireport, there is always the "book marketing hackers", publishers blocking his books, various veiled threats from some unknown bureau, tyrannical editors blocking his wikipedia entry and some mysterious freemasons whispering secrets into his ear.

Too drama-queenish for me - and I'm a woman!


[edit on 4/8/2010 by Netties Hermit]

reply to post by Phage


page, 16?. thats quite slow for you by your usual standards phage, its usually page 1!.

thanks

rich

Originally posted by irishdave
and am still open minded about the possibility of some kind of non-ordinary intelligence being here in the ancient past.

I don't dispute that one bit - and would like nothing more than it to be so.

Just don't like all the mess that goes with the preachers of it.

reply to post by irishdave


hi dave, yes just because this case and the people in question are not very reliable doesn't automatically kill everything else, i still find the ancient astronaut theory very interesting and there is quite a lot of decent supporting evidence to give it some merit, just not from wayne! lol,

i definitely dont just come in here with the intention of just debunking everything, im always open minded on everything i read and always try and give the benefit of doubt for a little bit until it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that its fake or unless its blatantly obvious from the start.

the difference between us and the believers is that we just try to eliminate all mundane possibilities first before accepting a paranormal explanation, but to do that you must try and learn a little bit about a lot of subjects to help.

thanks

rich

Hi Rich, I don't want to divert the topic of the thread but is there any ancient astronaut case or evidence that still baffles you?

reply to post by irishdave


hi dave, its all interesting but the problem is it can probably never be proven or disproven either way and also almost every ancient mystery and artifact can be interpreted in different ways depending on the observer, another problem is that we will never know if we have interpreted their languages and glyphs correctly because none of them were around to tell us if we are right or wrong!.

my favourite and most baffling thing from the ancient civilisations is this gold artifact from the following link www.world-mysteries.com...

there's many baffling things that i can't remember off the top of my head but that is one that stands out, i watched a documentary on it about a year or so ago and they built a scaled up r.c model of the object and it flew perfectly!!!.
also the voynich manuscript and antikythera device are great and baffling things although not really related to ancient astronaut theory.

thanks

rich

[edit on 4-8-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

[edit on 4-8-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

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...I think, talking about you guys and saying that disinfo people are out
to get him and so on...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d3fc1e6b0d3b.jpg[/atsimg]

Hi IrishDave, I have only been a bit-player in this... (I'm the guy
who dresses the window, really!) and yet I believe that folks like RICH,
Netties, dcmb1490 and others are NOT disinfo agents, in Netties case,
the 'collar-up' raincoat wouldn't suit anyway!
I work in a shop!! I stack shelves and serve customers... due to
certain temporary reasons, I don't even get paid!

Wayne Herschel makes up stories and there's nothing wrong with that.
He looks at different ways of seeing life, history and how we perceive
our surroundings... and there's nothing wrong in that.

But to imply that his ideas are fact with altered images and a little
'word-smithying' isn't right, it's the work of someone who struggles
with what high moral values are and the aspirations to achieve them.

Dr. Judy Faltskog is, in my view, someone with a troubled past and
I think it's natural to feel sorry for someone who struggles to find
their path in life.

But in both cases we're dealing with adults here.
They have responsibilities to themselves and others around them.
The idea of responsibilities to possible loved-ones, doesn't give you
the right to deceive just to turn a buck.

The idea of responsibilities to possible loved-ones, doesn't give you
the right to make up a magical world, where Wayne has all the answers
and Doc Judy promises to provide the 'science stuff'.

They've been caught out, the only strange part is that I would've
expected them to take it on the chin and set out on a new campaign
to sell another book. The way they've rode rough-shod over the real
facts and ignored any demands for proof, leaves me the ide that these
guys may be old hands at this trickery.

I agree with the others, we all wanted this thread to be true and to
finally meet another world, we all wanted this drab mundane life to
REALLY mean something, but this time around, there isn't any evidence
that's been shown that the aliens are talking.

That should not dissuade us from searching and it certainly shouldn't
dissuade people like RICH, Netties and others from manning the walls
in case charlatans like this, attempt to abuse the trust.

Now about my latest nail varnish...

reply to post by A boy in a dress


Crikeys BIAD - I am speechless.
I wish I had the words to articulate what you just said.

So I will just say ...

+100

Well done.

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by irishdave

 

Wayne Herschel makes up stories and there's nothing wrong with that.
He looks at different ways of seeing life, history and how we perceive
our surroundings... and there's nothing wrong in that.

Like Carl Sagan. I read "Contact" when I was just a teenager, way, way before the movie came out.
Now there was a storyteller. Probably changed the way I think about life, religion and everything.
However even he "“kicked the tyres”.
Everyone should read his "Baloney Detection Kit"
Baloney Detection Kit - Ideas link

Now about my latest nail varnish...

Either Metallic Shamrock by Lancôme or Le Vernois Gold Lame by Chanel.

reply to post by Netties Hermit


I've been reading that ireport.cnn.com discussion with Wayne
and I must admit, I have to stifle a giggle at the way he displaces
a poster, if he gets too close.

When challenged to leave his rhetoric, he moves onto another
view and asks the writer to put a statement up.
All this means is that at no time can be cornered and grilled over
anything specific.

When pressed to discuss a scroll, he ignores the question three
times, so he can get into a slanging match and then displays a
site that shows said scroll.
He comments that scholars are unable to recognise a 'Fan origin'
amd goes onto to quip that they:
They stick to tradition assuming it is just confused Sun worship.

But Wayne seems to write in a negative about their assumptions and
heh Presto, that makes him a better scholar!

You might as well use a magic eight-ball!

[edit on 4-8-2010 by A boy in a dress]

well i just had a reply from the british museum but they have misunderstood all my questions so i have emailed them again in regards to john801.

but i think this first reply makes it quite obvious what they think, here it is with names removed.

Just to confirm that Mr Herschel is not an employee of, and has not been in any way associated with, this Department. We are aware of his publications, but similar claims are so frequent in such books that we do not respond unless specifically invited to. (And in my personal experience, any responses by academic institutions are usually greeted as proof that our minds are too closed to appreciate the new 'findings'). 

With best wishes, 

(name removed)
Assistant Keeper (Curator)
Department of Ancient Egypt and Sudan
The British Museum
Great Russell Street
London
WC1B 3DG

thanks

rich

[edit on 4-8-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
well i just had a reply from the british museum but they have misunderstood all my questions so i have emailed them again in regards to john801.

but i think this first reply makes it quite obvious what they think, here it is with names removed.

Just to confirm that Mr Herschel is not an employee of, and has not been in any way associated with, this Department. We are aware of his publications, but similar claims are so frequent in such books that we do not respond unless specifically invited to. (And in my personal experience, any responses by academic institutions are usually greeted as proof that our minds are too closed to appreciate the new 'findings'). 

With best wishes, 

(name removed)
Assistant Keeper (Curator)
Department of Ancient Egypt and Sudan
The British Museum
Great Russell Street
London
WC1B 3DG

thanks

rich

[edit on 4-8-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

Well done RICH, he playing his tune there on CNN and eating
it up with a spoon!
I wish someone would get him cornered.

hi all, latest email from the british museum.

Dear Mr (my name removed)

Thank you for clarifying  -  I'm afraid neither Marie or I had read through all the comments attached. In them I've found the statement  'As a historian having specialised in reading Egyptian hieroglyphs and spending years on trying to figure some of the Egyptian utterances in various tombs, this finding is quite remarkable. Mr Herschel, I am writing to you on your website address and please can you contact me at the British Museum number I have posted at your earliest convenience'.
From the comments I doubt very much that john801 is an employee of the Museum and certainly he is not a member of the Egyptian Department.
I can confirm that we are not researching Mr Herschel's work. . 

Best wishes,

(name removed)
 
Assistant Keeper (Curator)
Department of Ancient Egypt and Sudan
The British Museum
Great Russell Street
London
WC1B 3DGUK

well that says it all, i know some of it sounds a bit muddled but thats because its direct replies to questions i asked.

thanks

rich

[edit on 4-8-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

My head is spinning in realising that he has so many personas online, to be honest. It's hard to know exactly what's going on but I guess that there's a good possibility that the John character from CNN is Judy.
Maybe I shouldn't think that way but as somebody pointed out, the personality completely changed from claiming they didn't know WH to being an expert on him.
The fact that they are blindly defending him in such personal terms is a giveaway.

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the john801 character will be wayne himself, not judy. the fact is that no professional scholar or institute such as the british museum would make such comments on a public board, if they were interested then they would contact him privately and only announce something when it had been thoroughly researched and proven.

its basically just a case of wayne posting on his own article and name dropping to add credence to his work and drum up sales of his book.

thanks

rich

Sounds pretty far out and ridiculous. New World Order attacks from the Elites! Shouldn't Wayne and Judy be on good terms with these agents having ordered the agents after us?

reply to post by Marrr


agreed, what they don't seem to understand is that if a real group of "elite agents" or any government or anyone else with power wanted to stop his non story then im quite sure they would do a lot more than question him on a public comments board!.

some people really do lived in la la land!.

thanks

rich