reply to post by Gorman91
I'm not trying to say that the current government in Iran is a good one. I'm a libertarian and so don't believe in the fundamental aspects of a
theocracy. On the same note, I think I can respect how others want to live and if they want to live under a theocracy, then it is not the place of the
US or the West to impose a way of life on them. All I was saying is that I don't believe all of the hype about Iran that we hear in the Western Media
and I'm far more influenced from what comes out of the horses mouth, especially when there is an obvious smear campaign against Iran.
As far as funding not mattering to protesters, in a way that's true but it could also matter greatly, as far as paying instigators and paying
bloggers to sway their opinion one way or another. We already know that a huge tactic of the US is to send instigators and pay bloggers so why would
they not do it to an enemy, if they do it to their own citizens?
Why could they not be sincere with OPEC? What's wrong with just Iran offering help and not the other OPEC countries? Does America not help other
nations without NATO? Of course we do. When I was in the Army, I was deployed to the Sinai as part of the MFO or Multinational Force & Observers, that
was not part of a NATO mission. This was America, helping another nation/s without the backing of NATO. If Iran was not capable of adding any help and
they are just bluffing then what would hurt in accepting that help and calling them out on their bluff? If this was true, then we would just show them
for what they are doing? It could not hurt us then.
As far as Iran saying things against us, it has no bearing on the American people. The US offers help to the citizens of other nations while smearing
their governments. You have to admit that our government is the bully on the block, so of course other countries are going to say some wild things
against our government. So, our government bullies other nations and it sure is not to the American people's benefit so any charges levied against
the our government would not be directed at us.
You post links about new weapons systems and claim that Iran is hostile because of it. Ummm, in case you haven't been paying attention lately, the
drums of war have been beating with a picture of Iran on the drum skin. If I were Iran, I too would be weaponizing and building up my military. They
would be stupid not to. It's not a question of "if" we go to war with Iran but rather "when". It's a shame but they are getting ready for a war
that they have stated they do not want and it's more than obvious that the West wants that war. It is us who is picking a fight and it is them who is
responding by building their defenses up.
I'm not claiming that Iran is "helpful" or even "friendly" but rather, I'm claiming, as they are, they that offered help on something that we
need help with. If we accept and they help, then great, the American people are better off for it. If we accept and they don't or can't help, then
our government is the better off for it because they would have called Iran's bluff. If we don't accept, then not only do we lose out on an extra
set of hands, but we also move closer to war. A war that will not benefit the American people at all. It would only benefit Israel and US/Western
special interests. It would make Israel the sole power in the Middle East, so that they may raign with terror unchallenged, as they have been doing to
their neighbors already. A war with Iran would be for the benefit of US corporate and special interests as well as Israel, at the expense of both
Iranians and the American people, same as Iraq.
Iran has never been aggressive, not even to their neighbors. It's sad that I can not say the same thing about both Israel and the United States. Out
of all three, Iran has been the peacful ones. Just compare to yourself, the aggressive behavious of both Israel and America with those of Iran. It is
not Iran that we have to worry about aggression with. As far as their nuclear program, they have said time and time again that it is only for energy
and they have demonstrated that as well by being completely transparent about their program. Something that can't be said about both America and
Israel, especially Israel. Even if they were building nuclear munitions, could you hardly blame them? I would still be more afraid of Israel or the US
using nuclear weapons before Iran would. Also, Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT as is Iran. I think it is more than safe to say that Iran is not
the one to whom we have to worry about. The thing is, that Israel has the largest lobby firms in the world and so we get manipulated into thinking
that their enemies are the bad ones while it is more than obvious that it is the other way around. Again, Iran has not been aggressive at all and they
are only understandably building their military because we, who have been extremely aggressive, have been beating the drums of war.
Iran could not be not be compared with someone holding a hand grenade. All countries have weapons, especially those smart nations that have been
threatened. It would be like saying that everyone has a hand grenade in their hands, only the person offering help has never used a grenade before
while you have and keep threatening to use it again. You can't blame Iran for having a grenade in their hand, especially if everyone else has a
grenade in their hand... and threatened to use it against Iran. Iran has not been the aggressor, they are only building up their military because we
are trying to start a war of aggression against them.
Now ask yourself this, If you watch some one going from house to house on your block murdering the families inside those houses, would you not arm
yourself, especially if they have clearly told you that your house is next? Would you not arm yourself and submit to their assault? What if these same
people have assaulted you before and killed your parents years ago, not to mention all of your neighbors recently. You would be crazy not to arm
yourself and call attention to your situation so that the police come to help.
Edited for grammar.
[edit on 4-5-2010 by airspoon]