posted on Jun, 10 2004 @ 01:59 AM
indeed you hit exactly the point i was awaiting, which is the D word...Discrimination....
Jonna not far behind with an equality question, which is also directly tied to the big D.....
HERE WE GO...
Discrimination is LEGAL!
A given society must discriminate in order to define itself. All freedoms and no rules/responsabillity = ANARCHY.
We have laws (in the USA) that descrimate based on age, (Retirement, child labor)....Drivers license, drinking age, ciggarettes purchases, heck even
some laws and punnishments are different if you are a minor or an adult. (someone please explain how you can go to Iraq in the army and kill people,
yet not buy a beer afterwards, but you can smoke your brains out....if the law says at 18 yrs your an adult legally, shouldnt the drinking age be 18
The right to association (yes you can legally have a black only scholorship, or a men's only golf club, no gays/girls in the boy scouts ect)...this
is related to the right to be left alone.....or not to be forced by others that do not share in your groups core beliefs.
We discriminate based on immigration status. If you are not a citizen, you dont have the same rights as citizens do. Arnold Schwartenegger can only
ever become a member of congress...He'll never get to be President here, because he was not BORN American.
Some pay more/less/no taxes based on their income...How fair is that?
qualifying religous institutions pay NO taxes. (legal bennifits for some religions but not all)
Criminal status.....Once youve been convicted of a felony, you lose your rights to vote and bear arms. (even if you didnt use any weapon.....Once
youve sevred out your sentance, why are you then still discriminated against when your "debt to society" has been fufliied?) If your a convicted
sex offender, you never regain your liberty either, big brother will require you to register so they can track you FOREVER...even tho youve served out
your sentance...Why dont wedo this with murders? Id rather have a perv that wants to give a 12 yr old a BJ walking around, than a guy that would just
kill the 12 yr old.
VOTING....in our 2 party system, anyone thats an independant doesnt get to have any say in voting during the primary elections....I thought all votes
were equal....ohh only if you sign up to the 2 "official" parties?
Hell on a really basic level, we've got segregated bathrooms by sex....
we all need to go....were all doing the same thing...why are some toilets for one sex or the other? Yet we say men and women are equal? Could I be
arrested for using a womens rest room?
There are TOO MANY private groups that have "exclusionary" status/situations, these situations have not been struck down and in fact have been
upheld in most cases...the biggest difference between the legally sanctioned discrimination and private groups discriminating is that a private group
HAS THE RIGHTS TO DO THIS under their right of freedom of association and freedoms to gather with whom they choose to. (See supreme court ruling for
the Boy scouts vs gays)
Colleges....you cant attend unless your "smart" enough to pass an entrance test...."We here at Harvard have high standards that you dont meet, but
there is the community college down the street for you."
Hmm colleges do recieve federal funds, yet can exclude based on an intelligence quotient
How about the hippocrits at he United Way? Theyve got exclusive programs for all kinds of "member only" niche groups....womens health programs,
elderly programs, childrens programs, programs for the poor...all dolling out "bennifits" that others cant get (because they are not part of the
exclusionary criteria)....and then they have the balls to pull funds from the scouts AFTER the supreme court sides with the scouts...The UW says the
scouts are discrimitory??? Whos discriminating now against whom? They used to give $$ to the scouts (for decades!), but after the public stink
(which the scouts WON) they still chose to pull funding....but they'll still support other "exclusive" groups under their wing. Some example of
tolorance there eh?
I will not, no one in my extended family, my grand kids will not EVER donate anything but spit to the 2 faced bastards at the United Way EVER AGAIN!
Ill find other charities to be generous with.
I could go on and on about the private forms of institutionalized discriminations but these examples should MORE than suffice...speciffically the ones
in the laws.
So now that we've toured US culture and can see where things arent fair, and that some "gropus" can and do get bennifits that others do not.
Why is marriage any different of an "exclusive" situation? If its ok to have an affrican american club or scholorship(bennifit), why cant we have a
male/female only club/bennifits?
2 specifics to replies
The ATSNN site doesnt show sigs, so Ill have to find another post from you to read your signature. you say, "Gay people do not have access to Option
B, thus it IS discrimination." well i dont have access to the Negro college fund, thus it is discrimination. One less opportunity for me to fund a
higher education based on my race?
"It has to do with one 'type' of person being denied something that another person is not. The right to be treated as an equal human being."
I just gave you lots of examples of this unequal behaivor in action and institutionalized by this culture. Explain how any of these or NO to gay
marriage, makes any individule any less of a human. Does that mean that those that get these bennifits are MORE human?