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Originally posted by Graystar
it really isn't that far off once we begin to slip down that slope; gravity and momentum will be unstoppable!
I suggest we not pretend to be enhancing marriage by lowering the standards instead lets raisie the bar by holding accountable those who are married to a higher one.
Originally posted by CommonSense
I'm sure I'll get flamed on this statement.
The fact is there is no such thing as a "right" for gays to marry just as there is no "right" for many things that people seek. What people equate as "rights" is merely a drive to achieve their self-centered desires. Masking such desires as a drive for "rights" is simply an attempt to justify what is not legitimate on its face value.
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
exactly who's standards are being lowered here? [Everyones standard; an absolute standard between right and wrong, good and evil.]
I think most heterosexual marriages of recent times has more than proven that marriage is not sacred.. in fact with the infidelity and divorce rates marriage as a whole is a joke. [That is why I said we need to hold those who are married to a higher standard. And if I might add we don't need to ask what that standard is because it is deeply encoded into our very being. It only sounds like crap when we have breached the threshhold between right and wrong enough times. At that point I agree evil is good and good is evil and all is relevant to our own perogitives.]
But to say that because of who one chooses as a mate for marriage is of the same sex they should be denied to show their commitments to each other is just wrong. [A mate? that is an oxymoron!]
and to me the same as the days when blacks were denied the right to vote or denied access to white only places. [ I'm sorry, but there is not a moral equvilancy between onces perogitives and the color of ones skin. Furthurmore, one is genetic and the other is not. Sorry no gay gene.]
Marriage is not just a right to the religous. about right to religeous alone. Many people who marry are agnostic or have no faith in God or religion at all.
[Idon't believe that either . No one is saying anything I'm saying that society as a whole cannot survive the redefining of marrige to include gay as well. Many will diagree with this statement but I don;t think that we should use the next twenty or so years to test out this hypothesis when we already have many thousands of years of hard core fact to back up the ideal heterosexual marrige. ]
And as for the argument that if we let gays marry we may as well let children and adults, siblings ect. is pure crap! [ if it's crap then please tell me what justification do you have for not allowing those other groups to marry? All they need is one disobedient mayor and a few fanatical judges to back them up. And after all, isn't their right to seek happiness in this life? Who then are we to deny them of their rights? Do you see the logic here. But I honestly don't believe we will get that far once we condone an open homosexual lifestyle, infact no past society has ever survived such a moral landslide.]
I do not think fondly of gays, I will admit it, to me it is repulsive.. but I am not their judge and humanity as a whole has no right to deny ANYONE the happiness they seek in life. [Everyone has the moral obligation to judge between right and wrong. There is nothing bad or wrong about that. After all, destroying the Jews would have brought Hitler happiness but we judge him and found his desire to be wrong-or was it?!
Originally posted by intrepid
Why is it that everyone in the world has rights except gays? As one raised homophobic, I see where you're coming from, but here we are to deny ignorance.
The first reference to marriage comes from the Bible. It is the union of a man and a woman under God for the procreation of the human race. The only "rights" we have are those given by