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Norway Builds the World's Most Humane Prison

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posted on May, 3 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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I think you are having a laugh... you can't be a serious poster with Grammer like that...




posted on May, 3 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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The reason why Norway has such low crime.

Norway is one of the 10 richest countries in the world. Plenty of opportunity, people don't need to steal from each other.

We could have the same low crime in the U.S. if we replaced the FEDERAL RESERVE with a constitutional form of Money.

The opposite of Norway is countries like Mexico, where people have all their wealth & opportunity stolen by corporations, banks and government.

Hows the crime rate down there ?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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I don't get it. What's wrong with treating human beeings as human beeings? Varg Vikernes was mentioned here as an example of how Norwegian justice system works, and I'm fine with him comming out of jail after 16 years. He has becom a farmer an is making music. He is now a produktive member of society, instead of rotting in a cell. He still is, in my opinion, a lunatic when it comes to "racial belifes" and music. Some of you might think we are soft on crimminals in Norway, and perhaps we are. But we belive that a person can change, can be a better asset for the comunity. But a really bad rapist and murderers will be locked up for a long, long time, some might not even come out. But it's called "forced psyciatric care" and stuf like that, bad people are not free to roam the streets of norway and go get a cosy holliday when locked up. Thats all, go easy on me it's my first post.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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I believe that criminals are sent to prison as punishment. Punishment should not be a free ticket to live a better lifestyle than many noncriminals.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by conspiracydude
This got me thinking. Why should criminals have a life of comfort? They should be punished not live in a luxury jail.




It embodies the guiding principles of the country's penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society.


Because Norway, unlike the United States, is actually progressing into the next stage of humanity. They are way ahead of the curb on this one. The Scandinavian states are setting the example for the rest of the world to follow.

We are still trapped in this 'vengeance' state of mind, its a societal curse which afflicts every facet of our culture. It's not just the United States, it's most of the world.

Norway has the lowest homicide rate in Europe (and arguably the lowest in the world besides Japan, based on reported/vs/unreported statistics). They also boast one of the overall lowest rates for total crimes in the world. Compared to the US which has staggeringly high statistics in both areas, I would say they are obviously doing something right.

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Maybe we should give their system a shot. Treat humans like humans, instead of prisons being de facto criminal factories like they are today.



I understand what you're trying to say, but did someone who raped and killed a little girl treat her like a human?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Is it sad that some have replied that they would commit violent crimes just to be put in a jail like this? It shines a light on the state of our nation when other country's prisons seem preferable to our free lives. I realize those comments were rhetorical, and nobody really intends to do such things. It does make one wonder about the state of our great nation relative to other countries of the world.

If Norway treats their 'bad element' like this, what is the quality of life like for the average member of the 'good element' of their society?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Music
I don't get it. What's wrong with treating human beeings as human beeings? Varg Vikernes was mentioned here as an example of how Norwegian justice system works, and I'm fine with him comming out of jail after 16 years. He has becom a farmer an is making music. He is now a produktive member of society, instead of rotting in a cell. He still is, in my opinion, a lunatic when it comes to "racial belifes" and music.


Varg Vikernes - convicted of murder and arson.


Vikernes was sentenced to 21 years in prison for the August 1993 murder of Øystein Aarseth (aka 'Euronymous') of Mayhem and for the burning of three Christian churches in Norway (he was also strongly suspected of burning a fourth).


en.wikipedia.org...

Will you still be "fine" with him coming out of jail and back into society if he decides to kill again or if he kills indirectly by setting fire to another church?

Or is this just another lesson learned "the hard way" and at the expense of another innocent victim that you most likely will never know or care about?

[edit on 3-5-2010 by sos37]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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A few points to make here. Many of you are assuming that their prison policies are what lead to a difference in their crime statistics versus the US. However, you are neglecting to notice the following:


- Norway has a completely different law enforcement and parole system that makes being convicted of follow up felonies much more difficult. Doesnt mean they aren't re-offending, just that Norway is neglecting to prosecute. Most of the time they just put these re-offenders in for more 'treatment' but neglect to put them back in prison. So while it looks great that they aren't being put back in prison, there re-offending rates are much higher than their rates of being re-convicted.

- Norway has a completely different cultural make-up than the US. They do not have a huge combination of cultures and immigrants as the US.

- Norway does not have the immigration or illegal immigration issues of the US

- Norway is the size of a small to medium sized state in the US. There are multiple CITIES in the US larger than the country of Norway. Consequently, there are inherently much different issues than a country of 350 million people and the largest economy in the world. To compare the two is completely non-applicable

- Norway has one of the largest problems in the industrialized world of suicide and depression. There are varying theories as to the reasoning, but that could be a thread in an of itself.

Those are but a few of the things to consider here. To compare the country, statistics, legal systems, law enforcement, etc of Norway to countries such as the US or the UK is foolish. The countries and issues of the countries vary greatly, along with having completely different systems.



[edit on 3-5-2010 by johnny2127]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:33 PM
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The reader's might want to have simple pity for the American contributors to this thread who think Norway has lost its mind.

Those American members like myself grew up in a country that beamed us with Fear, Hate, Brutality, and Violence through every medium known to humanity from birth on up to this very second.

You can see their disdain for human compassion with their suggestions of work gangs and "Why should the criminal receive a better standard of living than I do? " reasonings.

Before anything like what the Norwegians are doing can be done here in the USA, the entire system that has been built up here must be torn down and renewed. I'm talking on almost every level here such as social, economical, political, psychological, and well.... You name it.

The USA more closely resembles the Planet of the Apes with some high tech thrown in for good measure. It is truly survival of the fittest here. But if you all recall there were a minority of good citizens within the Ape culture that could see the wrong but were virtual prisoners within a society that was fully indoctrinated into a system that ran on hierarchical exploitation.

I know this because I've lived here all my life and have observed the vicious circle that encourages its citizens to maintain it. If you contribute to this system the reward is a rung up on this hierarchical ladder. When that's all that the people here really know then that's what they will attempt to do, due to ignorance of ever experiencing anything different. They do not know nor suspect that they are already living in a border to border prison to begin with.

Prisons like they have in Norway sound like science fiction to my countrymen and all I can do is just shake my head in indignation.

I know what I just said will not endear me to my countrymen but I just want all of the international readers to know that not all Americans have succumbed to the insane rationality that you are seeing displayed on this thread.

I suppose the moral to this story is that we all get the government and society that we deserve and put up with in the end.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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How is it going to deter someone from commiting further crimes if the punishment is to have a better standard of living than they had before? Hell, probably a better standard of living than their victims. Would not fly over here, prisons are already too soft over here.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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I will not bee"fine" with him coming out and starting another church burning tour og Norway, but he won't. I think he got the message that the Norwegian state/comunity do not tolerate church burning, besides he got to pay a lot of money to the insurance companies. I do not think he can afford to burn another church. And by the way, no people got hurt when burned the churches.
Him beeing a murderer is a different story. The leagal system of Norway gave him the maximum penalty. He was put away for as long as possible, one can agree or disagre but that is the law in Norway.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Norway kept control of their natural resources (North Sea Gas and Oil) and poured the profit back into their country. Britain and the UK sold it off cheap to private interests and now we are broke.

This is why Norway can have a system like this. They have evolved. We are going backwards, but the rich are getting richer.

Hey, Socialism sucks


[edit on 3-5-2010 by rizla]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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I just wanted to state in this thread-

If there is no victim, there is no crime!




posted on May, 3 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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You are absolutely right when you say this won't work in America because of our culture. So lets start being like theirs. First lets completely kick out every illegal and completely lock down the border. We will then only take in maybe 40k immigrants a year (legally) and 2k refugees a year. Then lets do some population control and get the country down to a respectable level of oh, 10 million instead of the current 300+ million. That should jump start things, right?



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
If they had prisons like that in the United States, people would be committing crimes just to get in.

Definately would not work here.


I agree.... in fact, I would say a Norweigen prisoner lives better than I do! .. Hell, I might just go to Norway and rob a bank .. if I don't get caught, that would be awesome, if I did.... that would be awesome.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by CuriosityStrikes
If it works and it lowers reoffending rates it's hard to criticise. Many countries including my own (UK) have fairly broken prison systems with little rehabilitation and high reoffending rates. Does getting tougher really lower crime? a lighter touch seems to leave everyone, including society, better off.

I can understand victims wanting punishment dished out but if it only serves to make things worse I really don't know.


I work as a Nurse in a Prison in the UK (a well known one). Things are changing within the UK system to towards the Scandinavian Model. In my opinion, from what I have seen, it works.

Crime just isnt simply the crime itself. Other factors have to be taken into consideration: Social background, Education, Social Class, Poverty, Environment, etc etc.

The Inpatient Unit that I work in, sounds similar to the OP's post. It is a new unit, with large single cells, with a sink, toilet. Non-ligature designed. Plenty of natural light, wide corridors, association rooms with wide screen TV and a lot of staff that mix and talk with inmates.

Rehabilitation is the key, not punishment.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Might work for Norway.

Won't ever work for good ol' murrica.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Where'd you get any of this information???

Norway does not have the highest suicide rate of the "industrialized world". Oh wait, you edited your post to say it has one of the highest rates... highest? Not really.

Here you go, guy.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

See where Norway is on those lists?

The united states even has a higher male suicide rate than norway. In fact, the difference in suicide rates per 100,000 people between Norway and the US is negligible.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by free_form]



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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They suck

What happened to the good ol days?

If you dumped people into a snake pit they would not want to be arrested again,
I think everyday should be a new punishment, spiders, broomsticks, acid, carcasses,
bloodbaths, Britney Spears "musics".



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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Will you still be "fine" with him coming out of jail and back into society if he decides to kill again or if he kills indirectly by setting fire to another church?

Or is this just another lesson learned "the hard way" and at the expense of another innocent victim that you most likely will never know or care about?


You are taking the murder and church burnings way out of context. People like Vikernes (or the Norwegian black metal community in general) felt that Christianity had robbed Norway of its Pagan heritage. There is a certain sense of justice tied to the Church burnings.

Also, the Churches that were burned down in Norway generally were not even occupied.




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