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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by conspiracydude
This got me thinking. Why should criminals have a life of comfort? They should be punished not live in a luxury jail.
It embodies the guiding principles of the country's penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society.
Because Norway, unlike the United States, is actually progressing into the next stage of humanity. They are way ahead of the curb on this one. The Scandinavian states are setting the example for the rest of the world to follow.
We are still trapped in this 'vengeance' state of mind, its a societal curse which afflicts every facet of our culture. It's not just the United States, it's most of the world.
Norway has the lowest homicide rate in Europe (and arguably the lowest in the world besides Japan, based on reported/vs/unreported statistics). They also boast one of the overall lowest rates for total crimes in the world. Compared to the US which has staggeringly high statistics in both areas, I would say they are obviously doing something right.
Maybe we should give their system a shot. Treat humans like humans, instead of prisons being de facto criminal factories like they are today.
Originally posted by Mr Music
I don't get it. What's wrong with treating human beeings as human beeings? Varg Vikernes was mentioned here as an example of how Norwegian justice system works, and I'm fine with him comming out of jail after 16 years. He has becom a farmer an is making music. He is now a produktive member of society, instead of rotting in a cell. He still is, in my opinion, a lunatic when it comes to "racial belifes" and music.
Vikernes was sentenced to 21 years in prison for the August 1993 murder of Øystein Aarseth (aka 'Euronymous') of Mayhem and for the burning of three Christian churches in Norway (he was also strongly suspected of burning a fourth).
Originally posted by Carseller4
If they had prisons like that in the United States, people would be committing crimes just to get in.
Definately would not work here.
Originally posted by CuriosityStrikes
If it works and it lowers reoffending rates it's hard to criticise. Many countries including my own (UK) have fairly broken prison systems with little rehabilitation and high reoffending rates. Does getting tougher really lower crime? a lighter touch seems to leave everyone, including society, better off.
I can understand victims wanting punishment dished out but if it only serves to make things worse I really don't know.
Will you still be "fine" with him coming out of jail and back into society if he decides to kill again or if he kills indirectly by setting fire to another church?
Or is this just another lesson learned "the hard way" and at the expense of another innocent victim that you most likely will never know or care about?