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Originally posted by whit555
There you go again repeating the same history of ignorance.
Duh. The Bible says this not me.
What's so odd? I said I believe. God can do "miracles" (which is just normal for God). I said I don't believe in the miracles Jesus performed. What's odd? I think Jesus and Noah existed. So...
Yes. But no. Like I just said above God can perform "miracles" Jesus can't.
Sigh. Jumping to conclusions again across a code embedded internet. I'm relaxed your simply taking things the wrong way and blindly speaking.
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
So their mission is to debunk people with "a spade in one hand and the Bible in the other."
They go about with "a spade in one hand and an 'anti-bible'"in the other.
How does this make them different than the people that they are trying to discredit?
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
There is no archaeological finds from the bible.
Consider the 1983 discovery by Israeli scholar Adam Zertal, who unearthed a huge sacrificial altar on Mount Ebal, north of Jericho. Its construction perfectly matches the specifications described in Deuteronomy 27:4-8, which was later built by Joshua (Josh. 8:30-35).
Questioning the validity of the Bible has become fashionable for the academic elite. Weaned on evolutionary theory and molded by years of political correctness, most scholars equate any attempts to validate the Bible as promoting Zionism—a term that advocates of political correctness vigorously reject.
One major school of thought that rejects the existence of ancient Israel is called biblical minimalism (as spelled out in the 1996 book The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of Palestinian History, by Keith Whitelam). This movement actually denies the existence of ancient Israel, instead believing the biblical account to be imaginative fiction—an invention that covers up the “real” history of the Palestinians. (Our article “Palestine and the Palestinians” shows the true origin of the term “Palestine,” and gives a brief historical perspective of the peoples of this region.) Biblical minimalism holds that the monarchies of David and Solomon, and their rulership over a militarily and economically powerful Israelite nation, never existed. Rather, biblical minimalists portray these two kings as minor tribal chieftains of Jerusalem, which (they claim) was a small and insignificant village.
The 2001 book The Bible Unearthed, by Israel Finkelstein, chairman of archaeology at Tel Aviv University, attempted to discredit the biblical record while promoting radical revisions of ancient Israel. The book ranked high on the New York Times’ bestseller list, as Dr. Finkelstein became “the darling of a sympathetic media” (ibid).
Dr. Mazar was critical of the “Israel Antiquities Authority, which by law is responsible for any archaeological activity on the Mount; The Authority didn’t pursue the matter, largely because the second intifada broke out and it had little stomach for enflaming Muslim sensitivities” (“Eilat Mazar: Uncovering King David’s Palace,” momentmag.com).
Such are the dilemmas of a turbulent world riddled with unpredictable outbreaks of conflict and chaos.
Originally posted by Shane
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
There is no archaeological finds from the bible.
Oh, thanks for the insightful statement of fact.
I have another source that would not completely agree with you and it even goes as far as to suggest Archaeology Validates the Bible! Imagine that
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by whit555
reply to post by Angus123
It's only land animals. They could all be newborns. And the Bible says God helped Moses with the animals. So if God can create everything I'm also lead to believe God could help Moses accomplish this. Do a lot of research just on this. Then talk to me before we both waste time.
Actually, he said LAND animals. But if God could creat everything and "help" moses, then why not just do it himself? Why use magic to get Koalas and their leaves to moses when he could just recreate them?
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Originally posted by Shane
reply to post by K J Gunderson
Hello K J
So I take it the Biblical Narratives that led to the Actual Discovery of David's Palace are not to even be given any thought?
Just dismiss it then. Sorry to have wasted your time. A Closed Mind is a difficult thing to Open.
Ciao
Shane
Originally posted by Shane
So, you both have a preconcieved notion the Great Flood was Covering the Whole Earth, rather than a part of the Earth, as the Bible notes.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
In the Area inwhich Noah lived during this timeframe, we have this account of the Building of said Ark, and the gathering of the Animals as outline in the verse prior to this.
We do see some information in the above Verses though.
15 Cubits, if I am not mistaken, is roughly 45 feet, (give or take a foot).
Maybe, as is the case with most of Humanity, Noah's Area of Habitation was located within a Basin, of sorts, and as is generally found in these areas are "Water Sources" such as Wells, Ponds and Rivers. Generally Low lying areas.
If this could be the case, 45 Feet of water would wash everything away. Nothing would survive. But this does account for the Mt Everst, or the Matterhorn. 15 Cubits isn't even close to covering such places.
Originally posted by Shane
I would suggest then, "MAYBE" Noah's resided within the MED Basin, prior to the overflow of Waters through the Pillars of Hercules, and the whole earth was covered with water. Everything known to Noah, would be gone.
Perspective is needed. Certainly there is also ample evidence EVERYONE did not die. Lore and Legends of Many cultures also make an account of a serious event occuring with water, which bears similiar structure, as the Biblical Account. Some can be found in an excellent book called, Atlantis, the Antediluvian World, by Ignatius Donnelly.
Part 2 of the book offers many such examples
There are also several Posts discussing this here in ATS. The Great Flood, Myth or Fabrication, is one example, that maybe you could review.
The Point of all this is, I think we really do not need to be toooo concerned about the Fuzzy little Koala and it's food source. We likely do not need to be concerned with Rocky Mountian Big Horned Sheep, or the Snow Leopard for other examples. The Animals that lived within the area of concern, would be the main concern.
Just Some OPINION being offered to reflect upon.
Ciao
Originally posted by Mad Simian
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a cubit supposed to approximately equal eighteen inches? Which means the waters would have only reached 22.5 feet(or ~6.858 meters).
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Let me run a hypothetical by you.
I can write a story that takes place in my hometown. I live in Rochester, NY. It exists. I can fill my story with all kinds of fictional tales. I can make them believable or fantastic but either way, I can make it all up. The setting will remain Rochester, NY.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I am not sure you are reading that correctly, let me help.
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
How are you reading it that way? Where does it tell you where to start measuring up from? It says 15 cubits UP, That means 15 cubits above and beyond something. It then says that the MOUNTAINS were covered. How many 45 foot mountains are in that area?
2022 har har a shortened form of 2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively):--hill (country), mount(-ain), X promotion.
2042 harar haw-rawr' from an unused root meaning to loom up; a mountain:--hill, mount(-ain).
33:47 And they removed from Almondiblathaim, and pitched in the mountains of Abarim, before Nebo.
33:48 And they departed from the mountains of Abarim, and pitched in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.
5682 `Abarim ab-aw-reem' plural of 5676; regions beyond; Abarim, a place in Palestine:--Abarim, passages.
Seriously, can you explain to me how you read it the way you did. Please explain to me where you decided at what point to begin measuring cubits.
Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Just because the bible takes place in a real setting doesn't mean that the events depicted happened.