Originally posted by Harte
Why do you need to make this claim? Do you think it syupports these yahoos that see Noah's Ark behind every rock in an aerial photo?
My good friend. How are you today. Nice to see you still here. I missed our discussions, and I trust you have as well.
I indicated just previous to this, of my apology for every mentioning Troy. Yes, he was acknowledge or obtained the credit for doing so, but clearly
"other's" where involved and frankly did more to establish the premise than he did. It was a bad example to use, to attempt to present someone
seeking what they longed to find, and finding it. End of that I trust.
And I also just noted I do not believe these Chinese fellows found anything on Ararat. I would also use a term like "Yahese" or "Yahwong" to
describe these fellows. Not Yahoo.
My problem Harte is simple. Where's this debunking evidence. It is always claimed, but never presented and frankly I am sick and tired of nothing
being offered other than opinion and heresay. I want to see this debunking evidence offered by those who seemingly suggest these things are not true.
The Title, as I have noted 4 or 5 times so far is Scholarly Squad Debunks Biblical 'Discoveries', and to date, NOTHING has been offered except from
Self Confessed Conmen.
It's a pity, that this is the best intelligence has to offer in regards to this subject.
And since I like you, as you know I do, I will "DEBUNK" this Chinese Claim so at least there is some Evidence offered to provide valid discussion
and consideration on this subject.
Recently some "Fellows" from China have made a claim of discovering Noah's Ark on Mt Ararat, and it appears, they too have fallen for a simple trap
enployed by Armenians over the centuries.
Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
Here is the Origin of the Problem. Ararat
780 'Ararat ar-aw-rat' of foreign origin; Ararat (or rather Armenia):--Ararat, Armenia.
When the Original Texts had been Organized, and once it was presented that Ararat meant Armenia directly, it was just taken for "Gospel" and became
the New Name applied to the Volcano Agri Dagi, (today's Mt Ararat), which stands alone on the Armenian Plains. Strangely, it wasn;t until around the
1200's that the name changed to Mt Ararat.
The second consideration is the balance of the line, "upon the Mountains of Ararat", which is in stark contrast to that lonely mountain in
What else can we see in the Scriptures?
Genesis 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the
Well the very next verse indicates yet again, "were the tops pf the "mountains" seen. Again, more than one Mountain Top is now visible.
So we must look somewhere else, if we truely intend on finding anything associated with Noah and his Ark.
Is there anything else we can consider?
Genesis 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the
earth after the flood.
11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
I chose to keep this all together, to ensure we are speaking about Noah and his family, but wish to look at Genesis 11:2 directly.
They Journeyed from the East and found the Plain of Shinar.
Well, for these Chinese Fellows to have found the Ark on Turkey's Mt Ararat, Noah and his decendants would have "Journeyed from the West, to find
the plain of Shinar".
So we find two things, Biblically Speaking, which alone dismiss the claim these Chinese Fellows wish to make.
It only took 5 Verses from 1 (one) book of the Bible to demostrate this.
Now, I personally believe the story of Noah and the Ark is a TRUE Event.
I believe we may someday find some evidence to support this belief I have. I do not have any belief that this will be found on Ararat, since it is
clearly not where the Ark came to rest.
Did an expedition to Iran find the Ark recently? While I would like to think so, but I think the find was just formation of rock, apposed to actual
pertified Ark Remains.
But I would most certainly expect the Iranian Landscape and the Elborz Mountain Range is the area that needs to be investigated, apposed to wasting
time in Turkey, looking for something on a mole hill, apposed to Mountains.
Now was that DEBUNKING this Chinese claim with some evidence?
Certainly more Evidence than has been even suggested todate.
This is at least what I would expect when some Scholar
spews intellectual thoughts to debunk something.
Not, Hey, I am a failed conman who tried to scam the world with fake claims of finding something that I claimed to be there. To many claims from
someone I wouldn;t trust as far as I could throw him.
Anyway, have a good day/evening my friend. I always appreciate your contributions, although they always seemingly are picking at My Faults