English Defence League take over mosque roof!

Originally posted by Sozen94
reply to post by Parallex

 

The EDL are far from criminals.. The majority of the area didn't want the mosque to be built.

I'm not Christian, but why the # should churches be taken down in a country that is mainly Christian? You're an idiot.

I'm sick of how this country is now. It's full of complete push overs. If we went to the middle east and demanded mosques to be demolished and churches built we'd more than likely get stoned or recieve some other in-humane punishment.

You seem to forget the history of the British Empire,
we went across the whole globe invading countries
stealing the wealth of other nations.
Then what did we build in these vanquished countries??
yeah you got it... churches!! all other the place from India to Africa,Australia you name it.
Then you have the missionaries forcing indigenous people to convert from "being savages" to christianity
You can learn a lot from history..

reply to post by FalselyFlagged


ok troll i`ll bite. you know nothing of how it is in the uk(your in america). Glodwick is where the oldham riots started a well known NO-GO area for whites it even has graffiti on the boarders now stateing that. i was just pointing out how bias the GOV is just to ease tension did you even read the article 8 caught no one charged. WTF is going on

are you a kid?you act like one

[edit on 3/5/10 by Aceofclubs]

I don't think the British problem with Islam isnt directly related to Islam it's self.. but the rather uncouth abrasive actions by the immigrant population.. They, it appears as an outsiders perspective, appear to be unable, or unwilling to assimilate to British culture. Now, some would say it's their right to their own customs, and it is.. but then again, if you stick to your customs purely and despise the very country you enter..... how surprising can it be when there is backlash?

If the immigrants assimilated, I don't think the majority of British people would have any problems with them.. ya, you'll have the occasional religious nutjob.. but for the most part it's all about culture. The immigrants move to Britain, use Britain, but hate the British and would rather the Brits assimilate to their customs.

Only a Progressivist with their ass backwards logic could defend that. There's nothing wrong with Brits wanting Britain to remain British. They should be more vigilant that those they let into the country also want to be British, and embrace being British.

[edit on 5/3/2010 by Rockpuck]

reply to post by ho chi minh


so are you saying we should shut up because of what people who are dead now did in the past. mabey we deserve it as revenge for the crap that SOME of our ancestors did

please clarify

reply to post by Aceofclubs


Oh Please.

All the years that I have seen anti-Black graffiti all over the UK and I was not traumtised or unduly upset. It takes only a handful of idiots to graffiti a whole town.

Are white people so much more delicate and sensitive than black people????

As a matter of fact the areas is mixed racially so lets not get hysterical.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Tiger5]

I read threads like this and shake my head in amazement at the levels of ignorance and thoughtless reactionary drivel. All the talk about how the Muslims or other ethnic groups are invading us and making us bow to their will - it all misses the most important point, which is of course, that it is our own politicians who are allowing the rampant immigration.

Don't blame the immigrants alone, it is the government that is allowing them to come here as it supports their twisted little agendas, and gives the dumb masses something to focus on, instead of holding the political criminals responsible for their actions.
Despite the evidence of criminal incompetence by the politicians in allowing so many immigrants in, way above what their own targets were supposed to allow, they carry on regardless. There is not one, that I have seen, with the gonads to say enough is enough and to freeze ALL immigration into the country for the foreseeable future - not one!

My personal opinion is that the EDL are just another intel created group to stoke the fires a bit, just like some of the supposedly hardline Muslim groups are. Keep the people fighting amongst themselves - the old divide and conquer routine again.

reply to post by Parallex


Well, as someone attending Law School, I'd like to imagine that I have a more-than-average ability to communicate my thoughts in a cogent manner.

And it does not make you an evil, jackbooted blackshirt to say that you do not like the influx of other cultures which radically change the landscape. It is merely an opinion; when I was growing up in Malaysia and was told to "go home whiteboy" and other racial slurs, although annoyed, I did understand why the locals were a bit angry with us. People aren't evil because they get annoyed with an influx of foreign people who bring change to their society (in our case, it was alcohol and licentiousness).

Obviously, you think that any such thought contrary to the belief that white people are inherently evil and that we should see the ascendancy of the minorities is something worthy of capital punishment.

Originally posted by purplemonkey

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

What if black people want to start a community center, but the whole town is racist so 22,000 people oppose it.

Then it should be denied, because the town doesn't like black people??

yes it should be denied, what do you think that town is going to do to that black community? Is all it is going to do is create resentment and hatred, which you seem to have no problem with, as long as it suits you. However if i want to make my hitler church in the middle of your hitler hating town, you wouldn't be to happy with it, would you?

Yes that is racist. How dare people like me put together their own money and build something. People like you believe that black people should know their place. I have had this almost all of my life. In fact it is the bane of my life. People ask me where I got the money from to do X. I now say "well I put your wife on the street with her A** on display and said she couldn't come home unless she made £1k.

Not nice but nor is your "Know your place" racism!

reply to post by Britguy


Absolutely right, I agree.. they're playing us against each other.
Government and media is the underlying culprit, in my country it's Mona Sahlin the crazy Bilderberger who claims we don't have our own culture, she's saying we don't have a freaking culture and she's the leader of the Social Democrats... totally insane....

reply to post by ivycutler


Very interest details, but I think the main issue is not that the mosque in question is going to be funded/used by extremists but more the fact that the locals do not like the idea of a massive mosque being built in the area a la Handsworth.

reply to post by Raider of Truth


Has anyone noticed by the way how this story fails to appear in the MSM? I have yet to any mention of it whatsoever on the BBC etc

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Aceofclubs

 

Oh Please.

All ther years that I have seen anti Black graffiti all over the UKand I was not traumtised or unduly upset. It takes only a handful of idiots to graffiti a whole town.

Are white people so much more delicate and sensitive than black people????

As a matter of fact the areas is mixed racially so lets not get hysterical.

its not the graffiti write what ever you please. its the fact that it is backed up with violance and no policeing did you read the article. i don`t think you did. a guy of 19 is dead from a beating because he walked the wrong way thats the problem. here try again www.theasiannews.co.uk...

[edit on 3/5/10 by Aceofclubs]

Here is my take on this.

I am an American.

But, I would not even VISIT another nation without learning their language, customs, etc.

Why would I dare walk into some one else's nation without learning how to get along with them?

Do I want to look like the arrogant stupid American that comes in like a jerk ? NO.

I want to make Americans look GOOD, so I will do everything I can to show RESPECT for the nation that allows me to explore their lands and meet their peoples.

So when I visit places, people like me and I get to see their hospitality. It is simply because I go out of my way to Learn about them and their customs, and adapt to them in RESPECT.

So, if I come to the UK, you will not be thinking I am a jerk. We will enjoy having a drink at the pub together.

And that is simply for a short visit.
What do you think I would do if I decided to move there?

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

Originally posted by purplemonkey

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
By "invaders" you mean LEGAL CITIZENS, I'm presuming.

And by "defending yours" you mean illegally trespassing on somebody else's property that they PURCHASED WITH LEGAL TENDER and did all the paper work legally to earn property rights, I'm presuming.

You are a real quack if you think that legal citizens should have no rights in a country, or if you think that a religion should be outlawed, or that you have the right to tress pass on private property.

I hope somebody climbs up on top of your home and starts to protest you, so you can tell us how great and moral it is.

Why doesn't most of ATS just admit that they hate freedoms, and that they love and embrace the NWO? They want a totalitarian fascist state where only white people can own property, and everyone else are surfs that can't own land.

Just admit it already, you xenophobes.

Do you think what has gone on in the UK (mass immigration) has been better for society? You can be idealistic but in the real world this mosque is only going to create problems. The majority of the locals oppose its construction, people will resent its construction and they people behind it (muslims). Its not in societies interest for this project to go ahead.

Go back 40 years and replace the word "Muslims" with "Black people", and the word "mosque" with "Black church".

You have the same flawed argument.

Also, since when did England become a DEMOCRACY???!! GUESS WHAT?? ITS NOT!

Because in a democracy 2 wolves can vote to eat the sheep for dinner.. And that's exactly what is happening here. That's why England is NOT a democracy, nor any other civilized country, including the United States.



Are you seriously suggesting that legal citizens (even the ones BORN IN ENGLAND) should have their citizen ship revoked and their property rights deleted???

Just because you don't think it will be "good for society"??

You sound exactly like Hitler, my friend. How many times have you read Mein Kampf, truthfully?



Will you just admit that you HATE freedom, and that you love the NWO and can't wait for their totalitarian regime? Please just admit it. You know its true.

^^^Again, always trying to explain or dismiss people's opinions (and in many occasions, validly held beliefs at that) by dismissing them as militaristic, Orwellian nutters who want to put everyone in concentration camps. I still fail to see why you and others with your opinions refuse to recognize that perhaps people feel this way for reasons other than pure stupidity or a 'hatred of freedom' - I enjoy thoroughly living in a 'free' (or as close to free as you can get in this mental society, I suppose) society, but there should be limits on freedom of expression et c i.e. when it is grossly contrary to public opinions, morals, and majority opinion. Just like how that Islamic group (can't recall the name) wanted to protest the funeral processions through Wooton Bassett... You have a right to express your that the wars in which we are currently engaged are wrong, but i do not think you should have a right to try and foul the funeral marches of dead soldiers, or hold up signs describing soldiers as the "Basra Baby-Killers" (as I believe was the case in Colchester?)

reply to post by Aceofclubs



How many Black people have been beaten and killed by white racists? How many were killed by racist white police???

I am a CIVILISED person and am deeply sorry at this white death from racism. Killing anyone is wrong wrong and more wrong.

The point is that one white death is numerically irrelevant to those of the black deaths and No go areas. Think of Hoxton and most of the East end before the artists move in (hoxton)

If you knew the black community you would have know that real change in the UK occurred after the death of Steven Lawrence. Back in the day my mother freaked out when I went down Oxford street as a kid because of the racist Sus law.

Please

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

Originally posted by purplemonkey

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

You sound exactly like Hitler, my friend. How many times have you read Mein Kampf, truthfully?

Will you just admit that you HATE freedom, and that you love the NWO and can't wait for their totalitarian regime? Please just admit it. You know its true.

Oh i surrender, seig heil seig heil, bring back the Führer, Mein kumpf is my bible. One day you will learn freedom is the bane of white progress. Bring on the new world order!!!! one !1!!1!

but really im not racist, i like have 1 black friend, hence proving im not a racist, bigot, cracka, honkey, white trash, (insert double standard white racial slur).

Yeah bringing blacks into the UK was a wonderful idea, it's not like they are way over represented within the prison population... on wait, they are. (14% prison population = black, blacks make up 2% of overall population), but that's whitey's fault.


seriously the point is, UK needs to choose its immigrants wisely, instead of an open door policy.


[edit on 3-5-2010 by purplemonkey]

The Islam issue aside, you just proved that you are a racist.

You proved that you are a white supremacist. You just proved that you do take a page out of Hitlers playbook....

You proved that you hate freedom or human rights. Thanks.

May I ask how? All you appear to have done there is made a very wide inference from his previous statement and then not justified or explained it any way. Although I expect you'll say that his reeling off the prison-make-up statistics to have been racist.

Although I'm not sure how citing objective facts can be described as racist, or anything else for that matter, other than truth - as one would expect from a fact (although whose validity I cannot verify/ no source)

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Aceofclubs

 

How many Black people have been beaten and killed by white racists? How many were killed by racist white police???

I am a CIVILISED person and am deeply sorry at this white death from racism. Killing anyone is wrong wrong and more wrong.

The point is that one white death is numerically irrelevant to those of the black deaths and No go areas. Think of Hoxton and most of the East end before the artists move in (hoxton)

If you knew the black community you would have know that real change in the UK occurred after the death of Steven Lawrence. Back in the day my mother freaked out when I went down Oxford street as a kid because of the racist Sus law.

Please

don`t confuse race with islam this is about islam and the EDL. you know thay have many black members it even says on there site BLACK and WHITE unite

yes steven lawrence was a tragady who said it was`nt, may his killer suffer for there crime

edit to RE-add my first post on this thread. the only reason i posted before being sucked in - why can`t i find this anywere else? anyone got links with up to date(hourly) info on this. whys it not on the news. man our media is bias i want news not endless football updates



[edit on 3/5/10 by Aceofclubs]

Muzzleflash We are of similar mind on this. However the situation is a bit more complex in reality. Putting up your mosque is part of your cultural heritage then in a multi cultural society minorities feel that they can indulge in their own religious and cultural expressions.

Look at it from a Moslem perspective.

Pornography is available in the high street newsagents.

Prostitutes put up their cards in the phone booths.

Banks make money from usury.

If all of this is acceptable then why can’t they have a place of worship?????

I am not a Moslem but I can see why they would feel inclined to have selective integration.

The fundamentalist Moslems are in the minority and the more mainstream moslems seems to have woken up to the threat they represent.

We should also remember that these sociopaths are in the minority, as are the vocal white racists, And most haters. The rest of the UK just muddle on.

Still I will introduce you to the joys of British beer should you ever cross the pond.

This is going to be my last post in this thread, because we're flogging a dead donkey.

The English Defence League = Racists & Fascists. (Chavs!)
The English Democrats = Racists & Fascists. (Dangerously smart with it)
The England First Party = Violent Racists & Fascists.
The British National Party = Racists & Fascists. (Very dim!)

These are truths - because alot of the nutters in this thread support them, they will try and hide this fact. I have studied history in detail, I have learned the lessons of the rise of fascism at the beginning of the 1900's. I understand what brought the holocaust to life. People like the EDL and their apologist goons were to blame - and evil wins if good men do nothing, so here I am.

Small mindedness has taken root here in the UK. People believe what they are told to believe.

I hate the UK government, and the crimes that it has committed. I detest the corporatist, commercially based judicial system that we have in this country that doesn't trade in justice. I detest the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Christian faith in the UK, as they writhe around in false self-righteousness - blithely ignorant of the pain, suffering and death that they have caused around the world. Most of all, I cannot stand the fascist air of superiority that CHAVS have built up around themselves when it comes to Muslims. These uneducated, white-trash scum poison our society more surely than any militant religion or foreigners could do at this time!

Other than our government, who would stand up for the rights of our Islamic citizens? Noone. They would be beaten, raped, pillaged and eventually killed by scum like the EDL if the rest of us didn't protect them. Because they are different, because they are an easy target, and because we are at WAR with others like them, you lot think it's ok to target them here?

NO, it's not ok. I'm white, atheist, progressive, liberal, a leftie, a loony, slightly overweight, and various other things that make me different to others - including being a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have been touched by his noodly appendage. Does this mean I have to dance to your tune? No. It doesn't.

Enoch Powell was right - there will be rivers of blood in the UK in the near future. But it wont be the blood of immigrants or ethnic minorities. It will be the blood of your sacred 'indigenous' white people - as they fight EACH OTHER. Yes you heard me - people like me would rather die fighting the fascist scum than let their poisonous ideas raise their ugly head on the national scale in Europe again. We will not rest until the UK has been purged of this small-minded, Nazi ideology.

No, I'm not a member of the UAF, I don't agree with the way they do things - but I am a member of something far greater - Great Britain. The land of tolerance, of individual liberty, the land that defied great empires, religious zealotry and fascism itself.

You will learn, my lovely fascist compatriots. You will learn.

Parallex. (I like signing my name - so there, you forum fascist.)

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Parallex]

I dont have religion but im also an immigrant in UK from Europa. And no i dont agree with EDL. Everyone has the right to worship GOD!

No i dont agree with religions (but i believe in GOD a CREATOR). But please BE civilized and give some respect to other souls. NO they wont invade UK and wont force you to be muslim... Just let them be.