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posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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I know people the length and breadth of Britain.

Only a few years ago this was a topic that was only spoken about within close circles and in hushed tones.

Nowadays it is an open topic everywhere people meet and socialise.




posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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I heard mosque is going up in NY near ground ZERO?



Enough said!



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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I do not think a TRUE muslim would have a username of that of an Israeli AFV... Not a Hebrew Username anyway

I personally think that you have a little "zionism" in yourself and am maybe a paid shill of the institute.... Or not..... Im not buying your rhetoric anymore anyway... Have a nice day



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
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I do not think a TRUE muslim would have a username of that of an Israeli AFV... Not a Hebrew Username anyway

I personally think that you have a little "zionism" in yourself and am maybe a paid shill of the institute.... Or not..... Im not buying your rhetoric anymore anyway... Have a nice day


Lets just leave the whole israeli thing for the Arabs and the israeli's to fight over.I just find it amazing how you jews can control soo many organisations and elites.True masterminds you lot are.


I kinda have a love-hate relationship for jews.Depends on my mood innit!

Anyway. BNP even lost Barking and Dagenham, their own bloody stronghold?

Haha they are going ape on stormfront forum and the white supys have lost s*** loda hope.I think Nick Griffin might have to step down?

Anyway how you celebrating the Conservative win? Lib Dems have bowed to you guys.




[edit on 7-5-2010 by merkava]



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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We don't hear much from other European countries here on these boards, but I imagine the same is going on there.

I am a liberal, I believe in tolerance of other groups, but it is clear that Islam has hostile intentions, and no tolerance of the beliefs of others.

Government seems intent on destroying national identity. At some point in time, people have to defend themselves.

There are a lot of idle hands these days.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
Originally posted by poet1b
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I know, I'm a fool to myself, should have stayed clear but I just can't help myself.



Be brave and talk to me straight, if the Brits felt they were being over run by islamists they would have voted in any of the 3 racist parties.But none won any seats? Doesn't that bloody tell you something? Why do people like you think that everyone has same hatred of Islam to a level that you do?


Because the BNP and other 'right wing' parties are viewed as one trick ponies who have no policies on anything else other than immigration, and if you haven't noticed there are other things of concern as well as immigration.

Even though BNP may have a lot of sympathy they will not get many votes simply because it is viewed as a wasted vote.
However if we do get some sort of electoral reform and a PR system comes in then I suspect we will see an upsurge in support for them as they will be guaranteed some sort of representation.

In addition MSM and the major parties point blank refused to allow open and honest debate on immigration.
This would have exposed the image of happy clappy multi-cultural Britain where we all get along in our racially harmonious way.

We of course know that is complete nonsense.



If the hostility was soo bad than we would have seen atleast a glimpse of it during these elections.


We did in Dudley the other night, and look how MSM minimised reporting those events.

If things continue in the same vein it will happen...and it will be sudden, swift and savage and will spread like wild fire.



Not many Brits celebrate St Georges Day.


And you are allegedly a 3rd generation immigrant and you know so little about the UK and Britain.
You do realise you have a complete and utter fool of yourself again?
I won't even bother replying to this point until you recognise your mistake.

Suffice to say that if I emmigrated to another country then I would take the time and effort to learn more about that culture and it's society so that I could at least understand them better and understand their celebrations and feast days.



The Brits decided who will govern them, they made their choice.


No we haven't.
We have put a tick in a box and been part of an antiquidated electoral procedure that requires rapid reformation if it is to provide democratic representation to Westminster.



Don't worry, this wet dream of yours ain't coming true.


I wouldn't be too sure.
'How many of us is there?'



Islam isn't limited to Pakistanis or Begalis only.India has more Muslims than both those countries combined together.Than we have loda different African muslims, Turks, Albanians, Palestinians etc. etc etc...


There are approx 138million Muslims in India, 13% of overall population.
There are approx 181million Muslims in Pakistan.
There are approx 158million Muslims in Bangladesh.

Somehow think you are wrong.

But what was your point?

What I do know is that every Hindu and Sikh I know dislikes and fears Muslims far more than the vast majority of other Brits, and I must say it is reciprocated with the majority of Muslims that I know, granted most are of Pakistani descent, despise Hindu's and Sikhs with an equal pathological hatred.



Muslims are not jews you know, they make 1/3 of this planet's population reaching 2Bil within a few years due to high birth rate.People live peacefully with Muslims, no one wants to declare war with soo many countries and so many people.


No-one wants to declare war full stop, it's not nice and people die, have you learnt nothing from history?
But if we have to we will....and it's something we Brits are very, very good at!



Maybe you should clean up the mess in your own country first before you comment on others.


We are starting to, hence our dislike and distrust of militant Muslims and the rise and influence of fundamental interpretations of Islam and it's role / presence within British society.


[edit on 7/5/10 by Freeborn]



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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Huh? My post was aimed towards poet not you?

And the reason i replied to poet's post was because he/she mentioned my name in it when poet could have said it straight to me?

The rest of your post, *sigh*.

Get over yourself mate, you just keep repeating the same ol bullcrap and i have had enough of answering it.

Your love boys lost! So stop bloody crying and get on with your own life and learn how to get on with other people who are non-whites like i have learnt how to get on with whites who don't hate me for what i am.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by merkava
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Huh? My post was aimed towards poet not you?


This is an open forum on a site that values free speech, hence my reply.
I understand that you may struggle with such a concept.
And I'm sure poet won't mind and that he'll reply when he get's a chance.



Your love boys lost! So stop bloody crying and get on with your own life and learn how to get on with other people who are non-whites like i have learnt how to get on with whites who don't hate me for what i am.


I don't hate anyone mate, well, apart from Margaret Thatcher that is, oh...and Diego Maradona but that's for another time and place
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Just shows how little you know and understand me and many others like me.
I have friends from all walks of life and from all races and creeds.
That get's to the heart of the matter, you just can't understand that it is not about race!
It is about a barbaric, repressive and all encompassing belief system that turns people into a representation of those beliefs that will stop at nothing in their determination to force that belief system and everything that goes with it upon a people and nation that doesn't want it!

My many non-Caucasian friends find it hilarious when I tell them that I have been accused of racism on here and elsewhere.

Still, if it fit's into your stereotyping and allows you to justify your own bigotry then so be it.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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Just to be clear the bnp got 1.9% of the popular vote, take note any supporters what a minority view you have, hmmm I wonder, how about deporting the fascists?

They're a particularly unproductive minority that cause an awful amount of trouble in society and are very vocal in pushing their intolerant views down the throats of the tolerant freedom loving British population.

I would hate it if the bnp wanted to open an office near my home and would organise a huge protest, I'm sick of this minority abusing us!!



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Well if you don't like Islam than good for you.But don't think that if you don't like it than everyone should follow your opinion.

I don't expect racists or Islamophobes to change.

We muslims are here to stay in UK, so instead of hate, hate and further hate, maybe you should learn to get on with muslims.Like the racist parties got the boot, maybe you should give your hate the boot?

We have our own lifestyles, our own values and our own way of doing things.If we are not breaking any rules than what's the problem?

Live and let live!



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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I have no problems with live and let live.

But tell that to the extremists who want to change my country into something it isn't.
The extremists who will stop at nothing in their attempts to further the Islamification of this country.
The extemists who carry out terrorist attacks in my country killing innocent people.
The extremists who treat the Armed Forces of this country with nothing but contempt.
The extremists who treat women as chattel.
The extremists who exploit my freeborn rights in an attmept to deny me those very same rights.

Expel the extremists from your communities and there will be no need for BNP etc and the only one's who would be left supporting them would be the knuckle draggers who would then be isolated and ostracised from the rest of society.

As I said before, I have no problem with 'Live and Let Live'.

But it cuts both ways my friend and until the 'majority moderate Muslims' acknowledge that they have a problem within their own communities and take real action against these extremists then I'm afraid things are just going to continue deteriorating, something I suspect deep down neither you nor I wish.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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Merkava and Freeborn, i wanna thankyou both - some great points made on both sides now that everything has cooled a little.

Merkava - Firstly you seem to think anyone who has concerns against Islam is an Islamaphobe or racist or a member of the BNP. My auntie is concerned at the amount of women who are forced to walk behind their husbands with full burkas (in northern UK), and she's voted Labour not any far right party.

People are not racist or Islamaphobes when they say they don't want to be disturbed by your muslim call to prayer five times a day blaring from loud speakers.

People are not racist or Islamaphobic when that hook handed idiot or Anjem Choudary spew their filthy hatred of our armed forces or our women or our culture and ways.

The average man and women do NOT want to be called 'whores' and 'pigs' by some ranting mad man, whether that mad man be chinese, greek or muslim. Sadly though - the point being is that the greeks and chinese do not come to England to insult our women or criticise or change OUR culture for the way it is.

So... don't be fooled into thinking that it is just 1.8% of society who think like this.

But as you yourself have said, live and let live. Don't try and change us, don't try and pipe Islamic prayer into our airwaves at all times of the day or call us whores and pigs, and chances are you'll have a very nice time here and we can all get on.





posted on May, 7 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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What's the problem with building a place of worship in an area where the majority do not follow that religion? Doesn't the British democracy, while providing for majority rule, still safeguard the rights of minorities? And isn't that how Northern Ireland has become so messed up, walls between Protestants and Catholic neighbourhoods.

In many areas the desire for majority rule in religion is actually devisive and segregates society. We must learn to accept that society is diverse, because that is the environment that the majority have democratically created in Britain over many decades.

Let's not forget how so many Muslims ended up in the UK. In the days of Empire WE were in their lands! And opened our doors to them reciprocally. Like the days when Victoria would have her male Indian servants in the UK in exotic Indian glamour gear. Perhaps the days of Empire have gone sour on us.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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I mentioned you because I was talking about you, and I don't care if you are listening, you have proven yourself to dishonest to the core, so why bother.

You say there are close to 2 billion Muslims, big deal, you fight like little girls. Most of you live in the desert, and if we wanted to take you out, all we would have to do is take out your major water supplies during a hot spell, and most of you would be dead in about a week.

You live by our grace. Just keep poking away, and you will find that we are quite capable of remembering the attitudes of our barbaric past, and quite capable of lowering to your level.

You have angered everyone, and when it is done, the world will shrug their shoulders and say, oh well.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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Sorry, a large part of the reason Britain and other European countries began colonizing Africa, and taking control in the Middle East is to end the barbaric slave trade.

Islam was continuing to buy large numbers of slave from Africa, most of the males had their genitals cut off, but some were used for fighting wars, and creating conflicts.

It looks like we made a mistake in thinking that Islam could be modernized.



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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I mentioned you because I was talking about you, and I don't care if you are listening, you have proven yourself to dishonest to the core, so why bother.

You say there are close to 2 billion Muslims, big deal, you fight like little girls. Most of you live in the desert, and if we wanted to take you out, all we would have to do is take out your major water supplies during a hot spell, and most of you would be dead in about a week.

You live by our grace. Just keep poking away, and you will find that we are quite capable of remembering the attitudes of our barbaric past, and quite capable of lowering to your level.

You have angered everyone, and when it is done, the world will shrug their shoulders and say, oh well.




LOL.... And to think you actually called yourself a "liberal" in a previous post.


Your views are exactly like Ann Coulters. You are just another neo-con in sheep's clothing. You are only fooling yourself.

"ZOMG we could kill you if we want, so you are really just pathetic" is not a good way of proving that your society is so much better.

And saying a country "fights like girls" when your country is using unmanned areal vehicles to drop countrless bombs, and shooting children in Iraq from helicopters like it's a video game....

Yeah. You don't have much room to talk.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 06:57 PM
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Islam does not want equality, it wants to dominate and to attempt to take over. Muslims will tell you that themselves. You're very naive to think otherwise.


But they are starting to piss off even the moderates of the country, the people who could usually take it or leave it. It is the average joe who is starting to get angry.

And for the record Im from a labour voting city, I dont know one person who voted BNP, before people start with that BS.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Horus12]



posted on May, 7 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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Except I have a long history here on ATS of posting against the people you claim I support. More and more liberals like me have gotten tired of your sleazy tactics, constant claims of bravado, and claims of victory.

The truth hurts doesn't it. The record of the outcomes of our conflicts is quite clear.



posted on May, 8 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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England once was The Benny Hill show and steptoe and Son,then came Love Thy Neighbour and Mind Your Language.
The England of Cliff Richard, Monty Python The Beatles ect is gone .
The world is bigger than England and England had to adapt to that fact after ww2.
England lost its empire during the second war and lost a lot of its population during ww1 and to a lesser extent ww2.
England of white Christians and the queen, is dead.
Adapt or perish mate our own kind sold us all out in every English speaking nation.
If ya dont like it ship out, because nothing is going to stop muticulturism or the dominance of Islam.
Iam not a muslim but I learnt a long time ago , you cant stop change.
Let it be, love your life.



posted on May, 8 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by Sozen94
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I don't see anyone being racist on this thread apart from you.

You must be totally blind to not realise what is happening in this once great country.

Wonder what our ancestors would think of us now.

Which ancestors?-Danes (Denmark), Jutes (Denmark), Saxons (Germany), Vikings (Scandinavia), Romans (italy), Normans (French). Each with their own religion.



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