English Defence League take over mosque roof!

reply to post by NBLTFC


excuse me? the next Serbia? what exactly happened to serbia might i ask. I happen to be of Bosnian Muslim Descent, born just before the balkan war of 92-95. what exactly happened to serbia? last i heard serbia exterminated 250,000 bosnian muslims, catholics and even their own orthodox people that called themselves bosnian serbs rather than serbs. The serbs got what they deserved for trying to ethnically cleanse my home country.

-b0s-

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Don't disagree with anything you said.

I was just pointing out that in the early days there were genuine left and right wing sides of the party.
Something that very few people realise.

And of course Hitler, and his propoganda minister Goebells, whom Hitler personally begged to abandon the more 'socialist' side of the party, were excellent at using the 'buzz' words of the day to manipulate the electorate.

Yeah that's mostly correct!...but why the heck are you arguing this with me then mate!

You know, my earlier rant post was against some ignorant brainwashed people who really are believing that Hitler was a Socialist and that the "National Socialists, actually was a Socialist Party!

(When in reality they were a totalitarian & authoritarian right wing fascist regime who borrowed some socio-economics and economical ways from the other side and was antithesis to Socialism and Communism in Germany.)

And I told them in my post that they were wrong for believing so, and that Hitler never was any frikking Socialist.

To which you replied:

Hmm. Not true

Are you drunk my friend?

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by Parallex


With statements like that you sound like the rascist one.

If ever the time comes for blood on the streets were will you be?

The protest was forcibly stopped by police about half an hour ago.. The EDL lads peacefully gave themselves up yet the police still stuck the boot in.. They used tazers too... If they were muslims up there im sure the plods wouldnt have been so heavy handed... Bastards...Good job there were plenty of freelance journo photographers there snapping that... I see a few police out of court settlements comming on.......

Gotta say thanks to the EDL for speaking up for the people of Dudley and getting us a victory............

The problem is balance.

All these discussions make me laugh really, people seem to beleive there is some kind of perfect world where everyone can be happy and and live together without hatred or war. The problem there is that we as humans are not and will not ever be capable of doing so. It just isnt in our nature. Human nature is geared towards survival, this means we must eliminate anything that we see as being a threat to that.

If you lived in a small village of lets say one hundred people and some strangers appeared who had a different culture than your own, initially you would associate with them. Lets say their number was twenty and they seemed friendly and pleasant enough. Over time you noticed that this groups population was expanding at a higher rate than your and you could envisage the day when their numbers would be greater than your own peoples. This would mean you would then be in the minority and the larger group would have more physical power, naturally they would want to build more of their own structures and make their own laws etc..

So heres were human nature kicks in, the will to survive. Your group realises that if it does not act soon that the chance to do anything will soon be gone and that then as the minority will have to comply with anything that is put upon them.

This is why all the problems start in the first place, when the strangers first
arrived, if it had beem made clear to them that they could stay but only if they followed the rules that everyone else followed or they would be asked to leave then they could have made a decision whether to stay based on that. Everyone would follow the same way of life and a major conflict could have been avoided.

Wars are terrible things but what they do (if they are legitimate ) is clear conflict. They restore the balance. No matter what is politically correct or incorrect the pure fact is when people feel threatened they respond with force. We all have a right to our opinions, whether those opinions are deemed right or wrong by others is irrelevant. Just like the people argueing on this thread both feel they are right and in my opinion both groups are right in their own way. Problem is human nature doesnt care about trivial things like whos wrong or right it cares about still being alive to carrying on living. If that means wars must be fought then so be it.

If the EDL feels strongly enough about something then thats their right to do so, on the other side if the Muslims feel their ideas are correct then it is their right to do so.

Now to put my side out in the open.

If somone comes and forces their ways and religions and lifestyle onto me I am sorry but I am not going to like it. It is my right not to like it. Even worse is if I lived in a relatively happy little village (if there is such a thing ) and a bunch of people started moving in and changing many of the aspects of my till then happy life. I as a human am going to be upset. I as a human governed by human nature am going to feel anger and hatred. In my mind I am going to say " where has my peaceful happy existence gone, how the hell am I going to get it back".

I would help anybody in need of help, regardless of race, religion, colour etc.. but I certainly wont help them if their goal is to colonise and alter the place where I happily live.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Ady37]

Originally posted by INQUISITION11
I've just had my Express and Star through the door it says the Mosque has been scrapped by Dudley's Muslims instead they will redevelop the existing Mosque in Castle hill.

I bet Gordon Brown agrees with your signature

don,t you people see what is happening , it is not your average christian or moslem that wants this unrest and hate .

there is some powerful people behind all this hate mongering and they want civil war because war brings profit and control .
the biggest threat to this world is organised religion .
and all i have to say to you religious idiots with your my gods better than yours attitude is try paganism.
love the earth that feeds you and live in peace with your neighbour .

Oh with the Muslims again.
I love how fast these arguments evolve.
"Get these muslims out."
"your a racist"
"no im not, they took over my town"
"your a racist and cant accept other people"
"dude they wont even let us into some of the parks around here"
"dude your sooo racist, muslim's arent planning to take over you white supremist"
"im not a white supremist, I just want my community back and dont want to live in theirs, and clearly they dont want me to be in theirs."

Whats can I say? You people are more and more starting to shape up into the exact products of your word.
Listen, its easy for ANYONE to say oh get over it, be multicultural and be open minded, but again most of these people aren't in the situation. Personally I do not live in England, so I really don't see this Muslim agenda because I cant experience it first hand.
However, I can sympathize, as i have seen it in documentaries.
My partner at work is a Muslim, good friend and we have the mort delicate of conversation yet at the same time seem very ground breaking for me. As I am only half his age and probably half his wisdom (not intelligence).
I can sympathize for these people in England as I could see how it would be upsetting to be kicked out of parks and stricken from the right to buy a house in a certain area.Yeah I'd be pissed and it seems that there is a few people in here are from the area and looks like they oppose it.
I DON'T BLAME THEM, this isnt about a racism, its about sustaining a community.
Immigrants do have an affect on the community. And dont give me some nonsense that they don't because its the reason my city is laughed at when it comes to real estate. the immigrants here have destroyed property values in my city.
trust me as I am as open minded as the next person, but immigrants are trouble and you would be silly to say they arent.
It's just a matter of implementing them in to society.
As mentioned prior in the thread, the govt' is giving them everything at the cost of honoring the people who have lived their for centuries. I would be down right mad too, if I found out my govt' was just giving out cars and tending to their every need.
At one point its the peoples fault for letting their govt' get soo generous with immigrant allowance, but at the same point the immigrants have no manners to the situation. I think what pisses off most people in the developed world about immigrants is that we have such a beautiful and safe place to live. And systems that help everyone. But we cant help but think it seems like these immigrants arent here to make this place a better country. I'll be honest most of the immigrants especially in my country are most likely here for the health care and my pension.
Why do I say this, I go to the mall and it is over run by elderly indians and pakistani who cant for the life of them speak a word of english, what scares me more is my GOVT GIVES THESE PEOPLES LICENSES.
In conclusion Do I hate immigrants and muslims.
Immigrants; no any body is entitled to come to new lands in hope of a better life in general, however taking disgusting advantage of a system to help those REALLY in need, is concerning and makes me want to deport them.
Muslims; Yes Muslims are alright, they are just as wacky or extreme as Christians if you highlight their flourishes of extremity. Although, The muslim guy I work with has told me, that there will be a take over, a peaceful takeover. He distinctively told me I wont be able to do anything. I came to the conclusion they plan to populate like mad in all four corners of the world as there is already 1.6 billion of them, that is not as far off as many other peoples agendas. Constantly he bombards me with statements like "you white poeple are so lazy ( hes a black muslim) People just come to your country and steal all your jobs in front of you and you dont even get mad."

Just remember all those who yell out racist, Muslims have their own communities and rarely like to get involved in municipal community as a whole, in the long run they don't help your city.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


oh give me a damn break from your bullcrap.. the muslims have been spreading islam thru jihad, and what exactly do you call the christian crusades, what do you call all the invasions that the uk has done in the past to many countries, forcing "savages" to convert to christianity "for their own good".

For years I have been dreading the eventual repercussions of the constant flooding of people into Britain with a vastly different culture to ours. It spells BIG trouble because you simply cannot expect to flood in people of a different culture and expect us to be one big happy family, it has bad news written all over it. And I've been dreading when the day will come when the british people say "that's it we've had enough" and there's blood on the streets. And the people responsible for this will get away with it as usual. The people responsible aren't the imigrants themselves, but the government for allowing this and encouraging this to happen. Perhaps this is part of an agenda of divide and rule, they've done a very good job.

Originally posted by Ady37
I would help anybody in need of help, regardless of race, religion, colour etc.. but I certainly wont help them if their goal is to colonise and alter the place where I happily live.
[edit on 3-5-2010 by Ady37]

Funny that. How many countries did England colonise back under the British empire?

reply to post by MarkHurdles


Honestly dude I'm so sick of people claiming what the british empire did to their countries. As said previously, as much harm they brought, they also brought some fundamental knowledge and development. If the British were really the big nasty's then they wouldn't be spoon feeding fresh immigrants health care.

Originally posted by Parallex
The Fascist EDL scum are at it again.

I hope the police arrest them all, and give them a good beating while they're at it. If the police don't, then I'm sure there are others who will. I think it's time some of us went and occupied the roof of a local church in protest at the disgusting propagation of Christian activity.

In fact, I might drive down there myself and open up a can of my favourite material.

Parallex.

Have you considered the irony of coming into a thread crying about how you wish harm on a group you claim preaches bigoted, racist and hateful views when you do the exact same thing yourself? Can you not see how bigoted and hateful your remarks are towards Christianity? Let me guess, "they deserve it"?

[edit on 3/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by MarkHurdles

Originally posted by Ady37
I would help anybody in need of help, regardless of race, religion, colour etc.. but I certainly wont help them if their goal is to colonise and alter the place where I happily live.
[edit on 3-5-2010 by Ady37]

Funny that. How many countries did England colonise back under the British empire?

My name isnt England, and I assure you I had nothing to do with invading or colonising anywhere in the world. I dont care about names, countries, colours of skin etc.. I am governed by human nature, I will admit that. I am just an animal and will fight to protect what is important to me. Its not countries that invade other countries, its human beings. Human beings following all they know how to, greed etc.. and the brainwashing and programming they have been exposed too.

I am just an animal

And animals are led to slaughter.

Be an individual, not an animal.

reply to post by b0sanac


250,000 died in the conflict. To state that they were all killed by Serbs is an outright lie.

Reading these posts here ..It becomes obvious that you folks have a situation similar to what is happening down in Arizona. The local and state governments are upset at the Federal Government for not representing them..but representing instead those who are not from there ..the illegal Aliens.

Similarly putting them on the public dole in give away programs at public expense...and in the long run ..destroying long standing businesses and traditions.

People and states...localities out there are upset that the government they voted in is not representing them ..but instead representing someone who is not from that locale.

Your national government is assuming absolute authority over everything while not representing the people of your nation. Absolute authority..is under an olde heading once known as "Divine Right of Kings."

As I recall your history ...there was a Civil War fought in the middle 1600s to the end of this age olde feudal religious dictum and resulted in the Head of Charles 1st being cut off..only to find that his blood did not run royal blue.

I would suggest to you that someone outside your bankrupt country is buying up governmental authority..with oil monies...in order to get their way. I say this because it is obvious that you folks as Brits cannot buy up such influences.

I believe someone here in the States will soon if not presently ..buy up such influences...to the detriment of most Americans. We are being groomed to follow the UK and Continental templates. Americans are being angered by the lack of representation by our government...and also by their being required to take second place while paying first place taxes for second, third, or last place services from said government.

This is what I see as the nature of the problem which is not only yours..but will also happen here stateside.
A lack of representation of the English people by your government.

Like your situation...the textbook government response here is "Racism."

Racism is the standard M1A issue public response. Remember who pays for your public schooling..the very same government. They are grooming you to respond with Racism as a default setting to everything such as to silence you by such censorship techniques. Racism is become a censorship technique. It becomes so predictable ..even here in the States.
Any dissent is automatically met by charges of racism.

The problem is its predictability and that it becomes so Wolfe by overuse and abuse. In like manner here...stateside it becomes obvious who are the racists...the ones using racism to describe everything and anyone but a workable solution to the issues.
Racism is the very best they have. Racism is their automatic default setting to everything..it is used to allow them to play through without dissent ..without opposition. Problem is ..it is not working..it is getting wolfie. They have used and abused it to much. It is become predictable in its attempt at censorship of the public.
One other thing of import for you to notice or take note of...the media is heavily in bed with the government and its racism techniques...it is so here in the states as well..the very same predictable template.

What is happening to you Brits is the very same template they are attempting here with illegal aliens...dividing the country.

By the way...of interest to me as a Bloody Yank..is the concept which occurred here as a result of your Civil War and Oliver Cromwell.

And that was ..that when a King had broken the law...do a people have the moral right and precedent to turn on their King. IN the case of your king breaking the Magna Carta...they did have the right ..because the English people realized with the King James Bible ..that your King was in heaven and not on the throne of England. The Earthly King was only an administrator of just English laws. He was not "divine right."

Once this precedent had been established by the Civil War and the Round heads...our founders here realized this as a precedent...when our turn came to revolt against King George. The people do have a right and duty to turn on their King. Cromwell and the Round heads has settled that issue over a hundred years earlier.

When your government no longer represents you ..you will reach a crossroads...and your authority is Cromwell and the Round heads..and their source of right and wrong. Not human reasoning..and logic. When you begin to understand this of importance in your English history ..you will begin to understand why world class thinkers and social engineers have altered your public school system to turn out athiests and anarchists en mass. To turn out anything but religious peoples..while sponsoring the religion of others ...to achieve this second class status of most Englishmen.
For the purposes of social engineering...to put Englishmen as second class citizens in a nation in which they take first class risks to maintain.

This is the world system..not the English system.

Your government is representing the world..not Englishmen. Somewhere ..quitely and privily a switch has been made over you..and somewhere ..some of you sense this but dont fully understand ..while being called a "racist."

It will become the same thing here. What is happening across your land is very similar to what is happening out in Arizona..and now other states are beginning to catch on as well. The government in Washington DC is representing someone ..but not most Americans. They are using default settings and guilt conditioning carefully groomed over years of conditioning to pull this off on a mostly unawares peoples.

Bewarned.

Thanks from,
A Bloody Yank,

Orangetom


[edit on 3-5-2010 by orangetom1999]

reply to post by facetoface


il give you that i may have been a bit fired up before to some of these responses on the thread, but still i think that you would find that the majority of the victims were of bosnian descent, whether they be muslim,catholic or orthodox or any other religion.. what i was trying to state to the post replied, is that serbia actually f***** over most of the countries in the region besides their allies. And they are paying for that now. But you cannot deny the incident in Srebrenica, over 8,000 men and boys(civillians) were massacred for no bloody reason other than ethnic cleansing. And quite frankly im sick of all muslims being compared to arabs, as many arab muslims as there is there are a vast array of other cultures that practice islam.

reply to post by Thepreye

That attitude is exactly why England is lost. Their plan is working just fine. So hang around a while and you will see, well after it is too late, that you will have to join them or suffer a miserable life or maybe die.

reply to post by b0sanac


Are we not on a conspiracy website?

Everyone f***** everyone in the Yugoslavia wars. Serbs got all the blame, even though they suffered as much as everyone else.

What is important is that a war was created between Christians vs Muslims. Muslims who were converts to the religion after the Turkish conquests of the Balkans. There were no Muslims in Bosnia prior to Turkish rule.

Hence, tying it in with this topic.

On another note, Kosovo was historically a Serb region. Massive birth rates by Albanians (You guessed it, Muslims) swung the demographics into their favor. You can't compete with 9-12 children...

This will happen to Europe. As one of the posts above me stated, they are in no rush. They will wait until their numbers are high and then be more open with their agenda.